Sponsorship Rejection

[Fencesitter]

^ So you are now in Canada and all went well with the PR? What was your timeline like for both sponsorship approval and PR visa?

Thanks for another perspective. For me, I can handle China, but what scares me the most is the thought of having to live here for the rest of my life. This is a real possibility if my wife is denied the PR visa...though denial is unlikely, at least that's our hope!

China, good for short-term stays, but not for long-term...that's me saying that after nearly a decade here. I lived in Thailand before moving to China (3 years), and that was a great experience...I still miss it every day...but that's all ancient history...though my wife and I will always remember Thailand (travelled there twice - second trip I proposed) with fond memories...

FS

 

[madamechoucroute]

No. I am still in Brazil now waiting for my wife's passport. We intend to go (back in my case) to Canada in July.

I moved here initially last year because my first sponsorship application ended up being a total waste that I would never had sent to CIC (long story that has a lot-to-do with my parents-in-law deciding to hire some fuzzy « immigration specialist » from Brazil). 3 days after I got there, I realized that I was in a very hostile environment when I discovered that my parents-in-law did try to break our relationship by telling all sorts of lies about me and about Canada (Canadians are, for exemple, famous for letting people die in the snow. OK...!). Things got better after a while but I was always anxious not only about the consulate thinking our relationship was not « real » but also about my parents-in-law discovering about the actual sponsorship application. To my great surprise, since my wife told them, the parents-in-law are now supportive of our move (we had to blur the truth a little bit though, but that's quite a long story I will spare you). So me, every time I would think about a refusal, I would ask myself « what I would do ». And in my case, I don't have kids and I'm not 30 yet, so I didn't know what I would do. Would I go back to Canada ? Would our relationship stop ? I couldn't imagine myself living in Brazil but I couldn't imagine myself breaking our relationship because my wife would be refused to go to Canada (why the hell would have had come here to sponsor my wife in the first time? and why would I be with my wife ??!?). My career goal always implicated a PhD in order to teach at University. Here, I don't know what I could do other than starting a business. So I was making a tons of plans in case of if, if and if. But at some point it really gets depressing and confusing. And there were very difficult days.

You know, at the end of the day, with a wife and a kid and a decade living in China, it is extremely unlikely they would ever refuse your application. For exemple, three times did my wife ask for a tourism visa and the consulate always denied her demand. So, the idea that the consulate would now think that my wife was trying so much to get into Canada that she would marry a naive gringo did occur to me many times throughout the long waiting (they did ask her once, over the phone, if she paid me when she was only trying to get a visa to visit me!). It seems that I was wrong :-X

^ So you are now in Canada and all went well with the PR? What was your timeline like for both sponsorship approval and PR visa?

Thanks for another perspective. For me, I can handle China, but what scares me the most is the thought of having to live here for the rest of my life. This is a real possibility if my wife is denied the PR visa...though denial is unlikely, at least that's our hope!

China, good for short-term stays, but not for long-term...that's me saying that after nearly a decade here. I lived in Thailand before moving to China (3 years), and that was a great experience...I still miss it every day...but that's all ancient history...though my wife and I will always remember Thailand (travelled there twice - second trip I proposed) with fond memories...

FS

 

[Lemondrop78]

Yah, when I compare my situation w/other people, it's not too bad here. For me, I don't like the lack of "multiculturalism" here...eventhough there is multiculturalism, everyone acts a certain way...like I feel like a minority here w/everything catering to American people. I just can't get use to living here. So food here isn't as good here either because nothing tastes authentic here...everything is made for the "American" tastebuds...so hard to find a decent restaurant and when we do, ownership or the chefs changes and then we don't like the food anymore. It has happened to at least 5 of the only restaurants that we liked. Food I love in Toronto, I can't get here...guess some inconveniences for me that way. I'm not super fond of my inlaws also for various reasons. I'm glad I don't live w/them though...yes alot of people in China live with their parents still eventhough they are married, normally the husband's parents...so I'm lucky I don't have to. They lived w/my husband's brother at one point and boy did his wife have alot of negative stories to tell. I don't know how to explain them but they play favorites with their kids and they don't act like they are as loving to their kids and grandkids like they try to portray. And then one of my husband's sisters has been really rude to me on and off and it's cause she was mad at my husband for quitting their family wine business which she was the final straw of why he quit in the first place. She is one of the most irrational people I have ever met, and will yell at people, but their parents don't say anything to her about it. Got to the point where I hardly want to go to their parents house if she's going to be there. Even when she's nice to me now, I feel like it's fake. But i never know when she'll suddenly be in a bad mood and say something rude to me. I have too many stories of them and my parents and siblings really want us to move to Canada also...his family is a big reason. Anyway, lets just hope everything works out for all of us. Fencesitter, when was the last time you were in Canada? yah, I can imagine living in mainland China would be hard eventhough I'm chinese myself. I think for sure you wour wife will gfet approvedf. My uncle was about 50 when he sponsored his 32 year old wife from China. They had just gotten married and they were introduced by someone. They had no kids together at the time. So I don't see why your case wouldn't be approved.

 

[Fencesitter]

One of the first things my wife and I discussed was our future living arrangements. I explained to her that I would never be able to accept living with her parents, but luckily, she was very understanding. My wife has a twin sister who will be staying behind in China, so I guess she'll be the one to take care of them as they get older. We'll help out with sending money back to China from time to time.

It's too bad about your in-laws. Kind of makes me want to watch "Meet the Parents" with Robert Deniro.

Anyways, both our cases are solid...we'll get the visa soon enough!

FS

 

[Lemondrop78]

My husband doesn't mind living w/my parents...he says my parents treat him more like a son than his own parents. But we don't plan to live w/my parents...only when we first move to Canada. Ideally, I'd like to live close to my parents...even down the street if possible. But I like the privacy of our own space eventhough my parents are very respectful of our privacy, etc.
Haha, yah you should watch the movie...can't remember if I watched it now or not. Can't wait to find out we've been approved to sponsor...I have the what if's in the back of my mind...either way I wouldn't want to live here in Oregon the rest of my life. I can only stand another year of it. If anything I would move to another State, definitely not stay here. My husband doesn't want to stay here either.

 

[Fencesitter]

You needn't worry about CIC questioning the genuineness of your relationship.

The only possibility would be that CIC requests additional proof of intention to return to Canada. This is pretty easy to solve...just buy your plane tickets and sign a lease or something...or just buy the tickets and include a long, detailed explanation as to your plans to severe ties with the US and re-establish in Canada...but honestly, I doubt this will be an issue if you have already included a detailed plan.

I'm not worried at all. I am very confident everything will go well (for you, too). All that's needed is a bit of patience...yeah...yeah...some more patience...but I have my eye on the prize and it's good that I am able to continue saving. I'm selling my Yamaha motorcycle and starting to clean out all the stuff in my apartment that we never use. We have furniture and lots of 'stuff,' but we plan to either sell it all, or give it to my sister-in-law...the only big consideration is selling our car, but I am pretty sure we can sell it quickly, and at a good price (it's a brand new 2010 Chevy Cruze...very popular in China).

We'll have our son's Canadian passport next week...so that is something to look forward to...I am also back on my exercise program...so that will keep me busy...we might do a bit of shopping and buy some new luggage from Sam's Club (they have some decent stuff at a good price).

We still have some documents we need to get notarized, but we're going to wait until we hear from CIC or the VO. Other than that, we're basically ready to leave...I'll have to resign from my job, but that's easy because there is an early release clause...so I'll take care of that as soon as I know my wife has the visa in her passport...

It's all just a matter of when...not 'if'...

FS

 

[steaky]

(it's a brand new 2010 Chevy Cruze...very popular in China

Rarely see any Chevy. Most popular and often see are Volkswagen Satana (at least for taxis), Buick and Honda Odyssey!

 

[Fencesitter]

Yeah, VW got a huge jump start on the competition...but Chevy's and other American brands are doing very well here...especially the Cruze...very good design...and awesome on gas (550-600km/tank of gas!).

FS

 

[Lemondrop78]

Oh, I didn't even think of applying for my kids Canadian passports. I should when it gets a little closer to the next year. I still haven't applied for my 4 1/2 months old son's proof of Canadian citizenship card yet, my older 2 have them already. Just to clarify, you didn't add your son under the dependents right? on the application. I only have my husband as the applicant and my kids are listed under dependents on the from about additional family members I believe. We're actually planning to drive from Oregon to Ontario...when we do the big move. About 2 months before we move we're planning to trade in both of our cars for a 7 seater SUV...not sure what kind yet though...I'm thinking possibly Ford Explorer but we'll see. And we're going to rent a U-haul trailer that we can tow with our vehicle. We won't bring everything we have...just the important stuff and some furniture. We have made a trip from Oregon to Ontario driving twice in our lives and it took about 4 1/2 days each way! That is including stopping at a hotel to sleep at night. We are aiming to move summer of 2013, so even if we get approved before that we will not move yet until then. Hopefully they give us a range of landing time so we can move in the summer. We want our 6 year old son to be able to complete his school year before moving.

I didn't know they have a Sam's club in China. I remember going to their Walmart in Shenzen when I was there in 2005. If they require proof maybe I'll just draft up a letter stating how much I'm going to pay my parents for rent living at their house when we first move to Canada and have them sign it as well as myself and my husband. I know my parents aren't going to charge us rent but ofcourse we'll pay them something...I should've done that in the first place now that I think of it and sent it off. Oh well. Do you have family in Ontario and when was the last time you were in Canada. We actually wanted to go to Calgary this summer for vacation but on second thoughts we decided not to cause of all the hassle of notifiying CIC and telling them we entered Canada, etc. It will be like a miracle when I get approved cause I've been waiting over 10 years to move back! I can't believe it's actually getting close now! You will get approved for sure!

 

[Fencesitter]

Hey Lemondrop,

I've been meaning to tell you this...I like your username...very good choice.

No, our son was not added to the application as a dependent because he is already a Canadian citizen. For IMM0008 we just filled the form with our information, that's it. IMM0008DEP is not applicable (this is true for your situation as well). Yes, Additional Family Information (IMM5406) is the only place where your children need to be listed.

You will need to enter Canada before your medical expires. Don't delay. After all this, the last thing you want is to be denied entry because your visa has expired. For me, the most important thing in my life is landing with my wife and son...everything else can wait until that is finished.

Yeah, Guangzhou has Sam's Club. It's okay, but most of the stuff is Chinese...not a lot of imported goods, which kind of defeats the purpose...but it's better than nothing.

Don't bother with signing some agreement with your family. Wouldn't that be kind of weird? I mean, you're Chinese, right? Family is very important to Chinese people, so it would look odd that you have to sign an agreement and pay rent.

Yes, my family is in Ontario. I was back for a visit in 2005. I know, I should go back more often, but with work and the expense, I just can't seem to do it...plus I don't want to go back without my wife. My parents came to visit us in the summer of 2009 just after we go married.

I know what you mean about the hassle with CIC. I also feel like I am walking on thin ice. I don't want to make any moves that could delay the processing of my wife's PR visa. We are staying put until we get the passport request.

Thanks for the positive words. We are actually very confident that my wife's PR visa will be processed quickly. We have absolutely no major issues. Everything is straightforward...CIC has no cause to reject her application...we're just focused on being with our son and dogs, living a happy life, and preparing for our new future. My career prospects are looking great...just become part owner of the company I will be working for...and it's a really great engineering company doing design work for the military! Can't wait!!

Happy days...

FS

 

[bryandd]

Hmm..hope that everyone gets through without any hassles!

 

[Lemondrop78]

Haha, thanks about my username. I use that name time to time when I need to make a username. I don't know exactly why, but I guess I wanted something fruity, haha. I didn't know you have to land in Canada before your medical expires. I remember people saying you have about half year to even a year to land after the applicant gets the approval. But wouldn't the medical expire in most cases cause sometimes it takes about a year or a little more before an application gets approved.

Yes, I'm chinese and I guess it would be weird to sign an agreement to show the rent, but if CIC asks me for more info, I will do that, cause I can't think of any other proofs of intention to move. Cause my husband and I won't have jobs lined up...I don't see how a company can hire someone if they don't even have a green card yet especially. But that's great you are becoming part owner in the company you'll be working for...oh for sure your case will go through without a problem.

My brother lives in Japan and said there is a Costco there that looks almost exactly the same as the Costco's in North America w/imported goods, except w/also Japanese items. Can't believe you haven't been in Canada for so long! but yah, it can be expensive to travel there from China or vice versas. I haven't been in Toronto since 2009 but I've been to BC twice after that just to vacation there. It is only 6 hrs drive from Oregon, where I'm living. My parents have also visited twice since then.

Will be exciting when we get the approval for sponsorship hopefully less than a few months. I hope they don't send it to my email cause I get so much junk mail in there. I don't want to miss it, especially if it goes straight to my junk mail box.

 

[Fencesitter]

I am 100% sure that the expiration date of the visa is tied to the medical. They will usually give a bit of time before the visa expires so you can close up shop and prepare for the move. If the 1-year medical anniversary date is too close, they will request for a second medical. This might delay things by a couple of weeks, but no big deal after waiting all this time.

I think it would make more sense to get your parents to write a long letter to CIC explaining that you will live with them until you have your housing sorted. CIC does not expect you to have that sorted before arriving...they are flexible and understand this is quite difficult to do when outside the country. A lease agreement with your parents, as mentioned earlier, would look a bit odd, but if you feel this is what you should do, then go for it...it's not like it will hurt anything...

As for my work, yes, I am very lucky. It's an engineering design firm focusing on military contracts and aerospace. Very lucrative career awaits me...but my present occupation is completely different, so it's going to be a lot of work at the beginning until I have been trained up...

Sam's Club is okay, but I can't wait to go grocery shopping in Canada...I swear I will hang out in the grocery store all day...my stomach can't wait! Just got back from Sam's Club...what a zoo! They have no idea how to design parking. They build two massive stores side-by-side with parking for about 500 cars. Sure enough, on the weekends, at least 2,000 cars arrive...it's insanity...the exit and entry are so poorly designed...whoever did the design should be sacked!!! Not to mention all the Chinese driver's trying to cut in line and push their way past you...really frustrating...and when on the elevator going back to our car, some Chinese man gets on and lights a cigarette with my son a few feet away...luckily another Chinese guy yelled at him to put the smoke out...there are some really cool people here...but there are also a lot of ignorant folks who just don't care (and it's non-smoking inside!!).

Anyways, your case is solid and you seem to have everything in order, so no problems for you...just the wait...but you are also with your husbands and children...makes things so much easier!

FS

 

[steaky]

Don't bother with signing some agreement with your family. Wouldn't that be kind of weird? I mean, you're Chinese, right? Family is very important to Chinese people, so it would look odd that you have to sign an agreement and pay rent.

I don't find it's weird. I have a Chinese friend who owns an apartment in Shanghai. He and his relative signed an agreement that the relative can live in the apartment at zero rent until the relative pass away!

One can always buy a residence in Canada to prove their intention to settle there. You can check what I said in the previous pages of this thread.

 

[Fencesitter]

Zero rent is different than paying rent, which LD said she would do...that's what struck me as weird...from a cultural standpoint.

That's a good idea, steaky...LD could still sign a lease but with ZERO rent...good suggestion.

FS