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vjamal

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hey guys,

All i can say its alot of patience eventhough i hate the word but its reality......its all a game win some lose some ....risk....but we have to believe we are sacrifing our time right now but for the rest our lives we will all end up with our loved ones beside us....

After i won the ADR my lawyer took me for a coffee and said to me okay now u won but now its the hardest time because technically your husband got his visa we won the case but now its waiting tome again...but now your waiting maybe 6mths maybe 1year but its for your whole lifetime there after so im always focused on that ......

habibiti make the best of it when u are in morocco...i dont know if u are planning to go to saidia its really nice ...got to barcelo hotel...
and savor every moment ......
 

locolynn

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08-06-07
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06-12-07/09-24-08/09-27-11
aaah patience. If I hear it one more time...but it's true. Also remember that even though it FEELS like your life is on hold (if I am an expert in anything - it's that), but it's actually not. Life is going on, this is part of your story. Focussing on the future might feel like the right thing - but it's not. It's all about right now. You (everyone who is waiting) must live for right now. You can't make your whole life about this one person. Really...really.

Really.

Lynn
 

CharlieD10

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KGN
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15-02-2011
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09-05-2011
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17-01-2011, 08-03-2012
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Waived
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30-3-2012
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13-04-2012
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06-06-2012
locolynn said:
aaah patience. If I hear it one more time...but it's true. Also remember that even though it FEELS like your life is on hold (if I am an expert in anything - it's that), but it's actually not. Life is going on, this is part of your story. Focussing on the future might feel like the right thing - but it's not. It's all about right now. You (everyone who is waiting) must live for right now. You can't make your whole life about this one person. Really...really.

Really.

Lynn
Had to +1 you for that, so true!
 

Habibti

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Apr 4, 2011
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Rabat, Morocco
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Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-02-2011
File Transfer...
31-03-2011
Med's Done....
10-01-2011 / 06-09-2012
Interview........
12-09-2011 / Denied 4-11-2011
VISA ISSUED...
January 9, 2013
LANDED..........
January 18, 2013 in Montreal
This morning I am emotionally a wreck. This ordeal is hard on me and it is also hard on my husband. But what makes it harder for me is my husband's behavior.

Last week I sent him emails every day and he replied to a few of them, but in a very brief way. And not once he gave me his news. So last Friday, I wrote him asking him about his news. The same day I received his news in an email. But all week, he never asked me how I was doing, how was my day, how was my return to work after 2 weeks of vacation, etc. Then, my Saturday morning he sent me an email to let me know he was waiting for me on Skype. I opened Skype but we could not stay long as each time we said a sentence, his connection failed. He sent me an email to tell me he would fix the connection and connect with me again the same day at the end of my afternoon.

At the end of my afternoon, I received an email from him telling me he was too tired to go to Skype and was going to bed. He did some training in the forest that day with a friend and he watched a movie in the evening and he felt too tired after that. I was disappointed. He let me know he would be on Skype the following day that is Sunday. Last Sunday, I had a student at 2 pm on Skype and he knew about that. He contacted me 20 minutes before my appointment! I asked him how he was doing. He said he was not well. I asked him why and he told me something that horrified me. It is an absolute no-no in my book and I cannot tell here as it is private. So we had a difficult conversation about it and I had to go for my student. I asked him to contact me again after my 30 minutes appointment and he said he was too tired and going to bed. He never asked me how I was doing, how was my week and my weekend.

All week I received no email from him, just a couple of text messages to tell me he was thinking of me with some kisses. I did not feel like writing to him. He knew how upset I was about the wrong thing he did and he never tried to reach out to me to reassure me. This week I received a phone call from my gynecologist. They discovered a mass and they are asking me to go to hospital for a biopsy. My legs just went like jell-o. My husband knew my doctor would call me with the results and not once he inquired about that. If it was something that important regarding my husband, I would have called him in a hearbeat!

Then, yesterday at the end of my work day I was feeling more and more upset to have no news from him. I went home and opened Hotmail. There was a message from him letting me know he was with friends for the weekend in Casa. I decided to call him. His tone of voice was dead. Like depressed. He said it was too hard on him the separation plus the problems he had with his younger brother. He told me how hard life was in Morocco and I would not be able to live there. He said 4 or 5 times "I love you" but I felt it was empty. He said that it is not because he does not communicate with me that he does not love me and does not think of me. He said he is like this when he suffers: he does not communicate. I told him it was not normal nor healthy that we did not have quality time together in 2 weeks. He found excuses every time to justify it... poor Internet connection, fatigue, stress, problem with his younger brother, etc. He said he could not talk to me any longer as his friends were waiting for him and he did not feel at ease to discuss with me. The place and timing were not right for him. I just hung up on him.

I don't know what to do anymore. It seems to me I am the only one to do all the efforts. The separation is hard on me too but it is not a reason to make it more difficult. I feel I am not into a real marriage anymore....
 

dair2dv8103100

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Aug 6, 2010
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Rabat
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19.05.11
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16.08.11
File Transfer...
26.07.11
Med's Done....
28.02.11/19.03.12
Interview........
06.03.12
Passport Req..
28.05.12
VISA ISSUED...
20.06.12
LANDED..........
Aug 1, 2012 :)
locolynn said:
aaah patience. If I hear it one more time...but it's true. Also remember that even though it FEELS like your life is on hold (if I am an expert in anything - it's that), but it's actually not. Life is going on, this is part of your story. Focussing on the future might feel like the right thing - but it's not. It's all about right now. You (everyone who is waiting) must live for right now. You can't make your whole life about this one person. Really...really.

Really.

Lynn
AMEN to that sista.... ;D
 

dair2dv8103100

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Rabat
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App. Filed.......
19.05.11
AOR Received.
16.08.11
File Transfer...
26.07.11
Med's Done....
28.02.11/19.03.12
Interview........
06.03.12
Passport Req..
28.05.12
VISA ISSUED...
20.06.12
LANDED..........
Aug 1, 2012 :)
Ohhh Habibti...

I empathize with you so much and I am sorry you are going through this all.

I also understand how your husband feels... I am just like him. When I feel discouraged or helpless. I just shut down. I don't want to talk, I don't want to think about it. I find excuses to avoid it. So my husband is the one feeling pain like yours from me.

I am glad you posted your situation here because it helps me to understand the other perspective of this situation. How it must feel to him. I am just not sure how to change it. How can I reassure him if I don't feel sure myself. I am so afraid of being denied that I have turned down the emotions so I don't hit a wall going 1000 miles an hour. I suspect your husband does still love you very much. But, like me, is very afraid at this time. Everyone deals with situations differently.... and I am not saying this is the healthiest way to do it and he could very well lose you because of it. So I hope he comes around soon for your sake. But honestly I understand how he is feeling and how he is reacting.

I really am hoping the best for you and your husband.
 

dair2dv8103100

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Pre-Assessed..
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19.05.11
AOR Received.
16.08.11
File Transfer...
26.07.11
Med's Done....
28.02.11/19.03.12
Interview........
06.03.12
Passport Req..
28.05.12
VISA ISSUED...
20.06.12
LANDED..........
Aug 1, 2012 :)
Like Lynn said.. life still goes on. I have a daughter to think about and take care of. Her life is still happening...I am not going to miss it by spending my spare time lost in thought of something that might not be meant for me. I refuse to work more hours even though I have incurred a lot of debt for him because she is the one closest to me... depending on me... needing me and my time and love. She is here NOW....

I suppose for those that don't have kids it is different. You are able to focus all your energy on the relationship and the situation. But honestly....as a still technically single parent... I find at the end of the day I have very limited energy to invest into a relationship that has no guarantee of a future... when I have my future (my daughter) sitting infront of me asking me to help with homework, to read to her, to go outside with her, to talk with her.

Does this make me a bad wife?? maybe. Does it make me appear to not love my husband "enough"?? maybe. Does it make me a bad person?? Absolutely NOT. I believe if you have children, especially as a single parent, that they are your number one priority...not a romantic relationship.

If there is one thing I have learned from this entire situation (and from having a mother who lived with a revolving door on our house).... DON'T EVER FORGET YOUR CHILDREN in this process. This really includes any relationship.

Men will still be around once the kids are grown and self sufficient.


I am aware this is random ranting... but I just had to say it. Maybe there is someone out there that needs to hear this message... I don't know and it's not my business to know... but I can tell you the effects of neglecting a child for this process and relationship are perminant and you will never get that time back!!!
 

Habibti

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Apr 4, 2011
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Rabat, Morocco
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Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-02-2011
File Transfer...
31-03-2011
Med's Done....
10-01-2011 / 06-09-2012
Interview........
12-09-2011 / Denied 4-11-2011
VISA ISSUED...
January 9, 2013
LANDED..........
January 18, 2013 in Montreal
dair2dv8103100 said:
Ohhh Habibti...

I empathize with you so much and I am sorry you are going through this all.

I also understand how your husband feels... I am just like him. When I feel discouraged or helpless. I just shut down. I don't want to talk, I don't want to think about it. I find excuses to avoid it. So my husband is the one feeling pain like yours from me.

I am glad you posted your situation here because it helps me to understand the other perspective of this situation. How it must feel to him. I am just not sure how to change it. How can I reassure him if I don't feel sure myself. I am so afraid of being denied that I have turned down the emotions so I don't hit a wall going 1000 miles an hour. I suspect your husband does still love you very much. But, like me, is very afraid at this time. Everyone deals with situations differently.... and I am not saying this is the healthiest way to do it and he could very well lose you because of it. So I hope he comes around soon for your sake. But honestly I understand how he is feeling and how he is reacting.

I really am hoping the best for you and your husband.
Thank you Dair! Thank you! You hit the nail! It is not because he does not love me, this is his mechanism to deal with grief and stresses. My mother is exactly like you and my husband. My sister and I suffered so much because of that. So be careful with your daughter... For 4 or 5 days, my mother would not talk to us and was cold and distant. She was emotionally unavailable. I had a long discussion with my husband on msn Saturday night and I had to shake him so hard that after I left messenger I went to bed completely drained. He realized a few things, not 100% for sure. But he is willing to work on his emotions and his communication skills for the sake of our marriage and for the sake of the outcome of the appeal. As you said, some people are like this and yes it is not healthy. He knows that. He admitted it to me. Often his family has reproached that to him. He told me that last weekend, all week and this weekend were one of his worst times. He saw couples at the restaurant, at the market, on the beach and each time his heart cried.

The day after (Sunday) he contacted me twice on msn and he even phoned me!!! And this morning he phoned me just before I go to work so I could have a good day :)

And yesterday I had a very good long meeting with my immigration consultant. She looked at our application and she said one of the reasons we were refused was due to the fact we did not provide enough evidences. I have so many evidences I could have sent! I regret SO MUCH my decision not to hire a representative at the beginning! I wanted to save $2000 :( and look how much more we have to pay now... so much grief and stress, the cost of the appeal, another trip to Morocco and maybe 18 lost months :(

I RECOMMEND YOU (future applicants) HIRE A REPRESENTATIVE.... you have more chances to succeed!
 

ddobro2

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Totes agree with everything Dair said and I also saw the similarity in the way that your husband handles the situation and how Dair handles the situation (i.e., by putting a defensive wall up between oneself and anything related to the problem). Habibti, your husband sounds like a good guy but he's just afflicted by coping mechanisms that he uses to deal with his problems that are not the healthiest. Sleep is affected hugely by depression - people either experience insomnia or sleep excessively, and it looks like your husband is among the latter. And it's no surprise he wants to spend time with his friends - he's dealing with the fact that he's been refused by Canada to come and live with you by avoiding a deeper relationship with you, because you're associated with that problem, whereas there's nothing to stop him from having a relationship with his friends. Some people alter the way they think about a problem by altering their goals and values. I think maybe this is what Dair does to a degree. I'm not judging, I would be the same 100% if it weren't pretty much a given that I'd be able to live with my husband. In fact, the woman who had posted before who said her husband would give her the silent treatment for eternity unless she did something about it - that is so me. Avoidance, distraction, dissociation - these are all coping mechanisms. Maybe you might want to read a little bit about different coping mechanisms and it'll help you understand where he may be coming from.

It seems from your last post that he is coming around but what really struck me is when you talked about the news you got about your health and he did not seem to express any interest or concern. For me, if I were him, that would be the point at which I would snap out of it because I would know my partner needs my support. So I don't know if you were able to discuss that point further with him. I hope you're doing OK given the circumstances and that this turns out to be nothing.

I think maybe you guys need to just cope with this stuff by laughing more. Maybe carve out a time in your schedule to tell jokes or something. Or perhaps the reason why you don't see eye-to-eye is because he doesn't really understand what's it's like to be in your shoes day-to-day. Does he really know how cold it is right now in Canada, for example? I bet when he finally comes here he won't stop complaining about the cold and how he wants to go back to Morocco. My husband does that a lot, and he's a freakin' citizen. What if you went along on your business for one day and recorded a video from your perspective and shared it? Could he do the same? That would really help both of you see life from one another's perspective.

I totally would agree to have one hell of a brainstorming session regarding the proof of relationship before sending the file in, but I'm not sure that I'd say that people SHOULD hire a lawyer or consultant in order to have a successful outcome. It is possible to do it yourself, you just have to put together a very good case. And you're still continuing to save the communications you have right now in preparation for presenting them at the appeal, I presume?
 

Habibti

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Apr 4, 2011
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Rabat, Morocco
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Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-02-2011
File Transfer...
31-03-2011
Med's Done....
10-01-2011 / 06-09-2012
Interview........
12-09-2011 / Denied 4-11-2011
VISA ISSUED...
January 9, 2013
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January 18, 2013 in Montreal
ddobro2 said:
It seems from your last post that he is coming around but what really struck me is when you talked about the news you got about your health and he did not seem to express any interest or concern. For me, if I were him, that would be the point at which I would snap out of it because I would know my partner needs my support. So I don't know if you were able to discuss that point further with him. I hope you're doing OK given the circumstances and that this turns out to be nothing.
All is fine (for now). When my husband phoned me home yesterday it was about my health. He wanted to know more. He realized it was wrong what he did because as he said I would have been there for him if the same happened to him. I know he cares for me... I remember the first trip I did. I was SO sick for 3 days because of a heat stroke. I had high fever and vomiting. He was there day and night to take care of me. I could see how compassionate he was. He even said that he enjoyed it so much taking care of me like this that he was hoping he could take care of me like this when I am old lol The third night I told him to go out with his friends. I had to force him as he felt too guilty to leave me. A couple of times, I saw him massaging his mother's feet and shoulders. Yes, he is caring. So caring that a few times I felt self-centered lol Each time we were walking somewhere he always was rescuing someone. One day he saw a man in a wheelchair falling from the sidewalk and he ran to him to help him out. Another day, he ran into a little grocery store to buy a piece of cheese for a starving kitten we found. Always giving his money here and there on the poor and sick people on the street. Each time we would go out he was finding opportunities to help someone. Always patient and smiling with everyone. He often bought me treats on his way home from the mosque.

The good news is that my mother found a phone company that allows me to phone my husband at a cheap rate. I just have to dial a code before his phone number. I intend to keep our communication more fluid that way. We have had too many communication problems due to time difference and his poor Internet connection. He also has an old computer and it does not work all the time.

Yes, both of us have kept everything from the beginning of our relationship because we are very sentimental (him more than me).

I hope everyone will have a good week. Now it is winter in BC since Friday night.
 

dair2dv8103100

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19.05.11
AOR Received.
16.08.11
File Transfer...
26.07.11
Med's Done....
28.02.11/19.03.12
Interview........
06.03.12
Passport Req..
28.05.12
VISA ISSUED...
20.06.12
LANDED..........
Aug 1, 2012 :)
Yup... I just shut down. I am a great avoider and I ALWAYS assume the worst. Before all this I thought nothing could stop us. We had the world before us and our whole lives. I had no idea that a big chunk of our "whole" lives was going to be spent in this process. I was very disillusioned and ignorant about immigration to Canada. I had no idea about visas and the differences between them or MOC's or proving genuiness of a relationship or expenses involved.

Since we are limited to less than and hour and a half to communicate in a day... it is pretty difficult to shove everything in that time. There is no romance, no intimacy because he is in a cafe... we can't even talk freely about many things because of his fear of too many people knowing he is married to a canadian woman. I have even, in just trying to have a little fun, sent him a naughty photo in between photos I was sending and holy smokes!!! It was like I has just walked in the cyber cafe naked or something, he freaked out. So basically it's like talking to a "friend". He has even outright lied to a friend that I was a foreigner that worked in his school in Rabat when his friend saw me on the computer. I understand why he does this ... he has told me some terrifying stories... but still it is difficult. It has left me wondering sometimes if he is ashamed of me because maybe his intentions are not good. I just can't imagine it but like others have said. Some of these men will say or do anything to get out of their countries.

I must be honest that if I had done more research into immigration I might not be married now. Because I would have seen that this might be greater than me and what I can handle. If we are denied my biggest regret would be that I persued my husband more than he persued me. I would have wasted many years for him when he could have been looking for someone closer or more capable of attempting this.
 

dair2dv8103100

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Aug 6, 2010
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19.05.11
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16.08.11
File Transfer...
26.07.11
Med's Done....
28.02.11/19.03.12
Interview........
06.03.12
Passport Req..
28.05.12
VISA ISSUED...
20.06.12
LANDED..........
Aug 1, 2012 :)
Before I forget again... I am praying for you habibti.

I had a large melon sized tumor removed in 2010 from my abdomin. They took my left ovary and fallopian tube with it. I have a high risk of another starting on the other side too. This is another reason I would highly regret all this if they deny us... he wants kids and I don't know if I can.. and I am getting older. Now granted I told him to seriously think about the fact that I might not give him a child before we married and he made the decision to stay.

I am fortunate that it was benign and the tumour they found inside it was also. So I am praying the same results for you habibti. It is good they have found it and can deal with it now before it causes any further complications.
 

Habibti

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Rabat, Morocco
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Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-02-2011
File Transfer...
31-03-2011
Med's Done....
10-01-2011 / 06-09-2012
Interview........
12-09-2011 / Denied 4-11-2011
VISA ISSUED...
January 9, 2013
LANDED..........
January 18, 2013 in Montreal
dair2dv8103100 said:
Before I forget again... I am praying for you habibti.

I had a large melon sized tumor removed in 2010 from my abdomin. They took my left ovary and fallopian tube with it. I have a high risk of another starting on the other side too. This is another reason I would highly regret all this if they deny us... he wants kids and I don't know if I can.. and I am getting older. Now granted I told him to seriously think about the fact that I might not give him a child before we married and he made the decision to stay.

I am fortunate that it was benign and the tumour they found inside it was also. So I am praying the same results for you habibti. It is good they have found it and can deal with it now before it causes any further complications.
Thank you Dair... It is so sweet of you! May God bless you! I am sorry to hear about your past ordeal. May you and I and the others remain strong!
 

vjamal

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I agree with habibti with new applicants hiring a representative from the beginning is much better..i wish i wouldve done that to save money and spent more ......
and trust me .....my husband and i ..of course i was worse ....i went into a depression after the refusal i couldnt function ...i didnt want to eat or work or see people i went into a deep depression ...my husband was depressed too but never showed it to me ...hid it from me to bring me back up from mine......this is really a tough process but in a small way it makes your relationship so strong its unreal...
i havent see my husband in 5mths now the ADR was 1mth ago and 1week about and no news uptil now...im confused i guess i can bac on CIC to check but its not showing up at all my file...its so weird ...its the waiting game and its not fun.......

Good luck to all.....
 

ddobro2

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Good luck, vjamal
vjamal said:
I agree with habibti with new applicants hiring a representative from the beginning is much better..i wish i wouldve done that to save money and spent more ......
and trust me .....my husband and i ..of course i was worse ....i went into a depression after the refusal i couldnt function ...i didnt want to eat or work or see people i went into a deep depression ...my husband was depressed too but never showed it to me ...hid it from me to bring me back up from mine......this is really a tough process but in a small way it makes your relationship so strong its unreal...
i havent see my husband in 5mths now the ADR was 1mth ago and 1week about and no news uptil now...im confused i guess i can bac on CIC to check but its not showing up at all my file...its so weird ...its the waiting game and its not fun.......

Good luck to all.....