Sign petition: New Citizenship Act Bill C-24 discrimination

[mead]

It's different because you knowingly and willingly came to Canada as a student for the sole purposes of studying. You did not come here as an immigrant with the purpose to residency. There is a stark difference between the two.

so ur saying since we came here for a different reason we live differently.....our contribution towards the society does not matter ?

 

[Regina]

our contribution towards the society does not matter

It matters. You are able to apply for PGWP without LMO, And then pretty soon apply for PR (CEC or PNP).

Why do you think you are entitled for more? and more and more...

 

[mead]

It matters. You are able to apply for PGWP without LMO, And then pretty soon apply for PR (CEC or PNP).

Why do you think you are entitled for more? and more and more...

as usual ur more confused than ever......in that case direct PR can work from day one and do not need LMO.....PGWP and LMO r both for temporary residents..... ..if u dont like international students getting PGWP its something completely different issue.....we here r comparing time spent as a person living as PR as opposed to time spent by a student/worker... how is that time different? we r not entitled for more or less we r saying why different standards for direct PR as opposed to temporary residents(those who got PGWP or LMO). both PR and student / worker r living in canada ....students would need more time to be a citizen why so? and we international students r not beggars that ur giving us things for free.....we r not begging that ur giving us more and more and more.....ur a condescending person . we r saying keep standards same.

 

[sashali78]

Re: Sign petition: New Citizenship Act Bill C-24 affecting students

It is interesting that although students are the most affected by the new bill amendment it draws little interest and signing rate on the forum here. Wake up guys, if the new bill passes in its current shape it is going to be a very long journey for you to the citizenship...
http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/house-of-commons-in-parliament-of-canada-do-not-allow-unfair-treatment-of-former-foreign-workers-and-international-students-by-new-canadian-citizenship-bill-c-24

 

[torontosm]

....students would need more time to be a citizen why so? and we international students r not beggars that ur giving us things for free.....we r not begging that ur giving us more and more and more.....ur a condescending person . we r saying keep standards same.

Students DON'T need more time to be a citizen. Like everyone else, they will require 4 years of residency after becoming a PR. It's not that they are at a disadvantage; rather, the advantage they enjoyed over regular PR's has been eliminated. Now everyone is being treated fairly according to the same rules. So, to use your words, the "standards" are finally the "same".

 

[harry_aussie]

The Govenment has advised longer stay in Canada to become Canadian. So students and foreingn workers already have that stay and connections in Canada to become Canadian. There can never be an equivalency between a just landed PR and a student or worker already living in Canada in terms of Canadian experience.Elimination of time spent in Canada is not a fair treatment towards people who already know the Canadian lifestyle.

 

[torontosm]

The Govenment has advised longer stay in Canada to become Canadian. So students and foreingn workers already have that stay and connections in Canada to become Canadian. There can never be an equivalency between a just landed PR and a student or worker already living in Canada in terms of Canadian experience.Elimination of time spent in Canada is not a fair treatment towards people who already know the Canadian lifestyle.

So it sounds like you don't actually want fair treatment, you want preferential treatment because you "already know the Canadian lifestyle"? Should we award the same preferential treatment to people who vacation in Canada regularly? What about people who have lots of Canadian friends? Maple Leafs fans? People who watch CBC? Rules are rules, and with the latest revision, everyone is being treated fairly. Deal with it.

 

[harry_aussie]

Tourists, oh well learn the difference between tourists and students or workers. Tourists don't stay in Canada for several years and are not active in the Canadian society in a continuity. We are not asking for a preferential treatment but yes we are asking for the recognition of time spent in Canada because we are an active part of Canadian society since we set out feet on Canadian soil.

Should we award the same preferential treatment to people who vacation in Canada regularly? What about people who have lots of Canadian friends? Maple Leafs fans? People who watch CBC? Rules are rules, Well anyone can have friends anywhere but the question is, did these guys ever set their foot on Canadian soil and how much did they actively participated in Canadian day to day life ?. If yes, then they should have their time spent in Canada accounted for x-y-z reasons. Sheep is an animal that follows rules blindly and I can see through who is being a blind and obedient sheep here. Even though my whining here won't bring in any change to the proposed law, I am more than happy to vent my spleen because of this law being unfair.

 

[mead]

Students DON'T need more time to be a citizen. Like everyone else, they will require 4 years of residency after becoming a PR. It's not that they are at a disadvantage; rather, the advantage they enjoyed over regular PR's has been eliminated. Now everyone is being treated fairly according to the same rules. So, to use your words, the "standards" are finally the "same".

no wrong students will need more time to be citizens ..time spent as students is still time spent in canada ...why is it different ....why just count time spent after getting PR? what is the difference between time spent as a student and time spent as a PR? yes students r at a disadvantage because their time spent as students will not be worth anything and wouldnt count towards citizenship.......based on time spent in canada students will have to spend more time than direct PR's which is where standards r not same.

 

[torontosm]

no wrong students will need more time to be citizens ..time spent as students is still time spent in canada ...why is it different ....why just count time spent after getting PR? what is the difference between time spent as a student and time spent as a PR? yes students r at a disadvantage because their time spent as students will not be worth anything and wouldnt count towards citizenship.......based on time spent in canada students will have to spend more time than direct PR's which is where standards r not same.

No, students, like everyone else, will need to live in Canada for 4 years after they become PR's. There is no distinction. Your time spent as a student is time spent as a student, not as a PR. As a result, it should not, and will not (once this bill is passed) count. When you qualify and are admitted as a PR, then you can start counting your time towards citizenship. Unlike the old system, this time there is no advantage or disadvantage.

 

[taleodor]

@torontosm What in your opinion is a citizenship requirement? According to all existing documents and thoughts, citizenship requirement is a deep understanding of Canadian culture/way of live gained through the actual residence in Canada. Let me remind you, that we are not talking about 4 years of jail time. We are talking about a proven ability to actively participate in the life of the country. In this sense, it's an utter nonsense to discuss 'PR-time' vs 'pre-PR-time'. This is absolutely not the right criteria here.

Also, I'm just wondering, what's your personal goal in all this? I mean, even if you don't agree, why would you care so much? Do you hate immigrants or something?

BTW, @torontosm, even though your arguments are really childish, please don't loose the steam and keep this thread going!

The more you try the more signatures we get for our petition! Let me remind you the link: goo.gl/A8C91e

 

[Regina]

Do you hate immigrants or something?

no. I guess he loves Canada.
Why standing for Canadian interests does mean for you to hate something and somebody?

you want preferential treatment

Exactly! And when they are denied privileges (not their rights!!!) they get upset.

 

[harry_aussie]

Regina, if your guys stop double standards or talk having no face value, then yes we will stop all this whining.

 

[Regina]

guys stop double standards

Double standards? What do you call double standards? denying your `rights to privilege`?

 

[harry_aussie]

Double Standards as in - Granting Citizenship to those who have lived enough in Canada because they have better understanding of Canada and on the other hand not recognizing the time spent in Canada. Someone who is coming to Canada as a PR now is eligible for Citizenship after 4 years(fair enough) but someone living in Canada and has active Canadian life, from the last 5 years and now got PR is obviously missing out the opportunity to become Citizen according to Minister's statement.