Refused PR - What Would You Do?

[alemoo]

We have not applied yet. I was having financial problems in Canada and was unable to find employment for two months, until I had an offer in Mexico City, which is where I am currently working to this day. We just couldn't think of any other way to be together. Because she had a previous 2.5 illegal stay in the US many years ago, and she has no house or car or anything to tie her to Mexico, her application for TRV will almost certainly be denied.

So here I am, in Mexico City, living with her until we both apply for, and get a response from, the sponsorship. In another year from now we will be able to afford to apply for it. And two years after that we will get a response. But what I want to know is, what would you all do if you were in this situation (I'm sure many of you already are), and it was denied? What would you do to stay together? I don't want to live here forever. This is not a proper place to raise a child, and the quality of life is very poor. If you could not bring your wife / husband to Canada, would you try to immigrate to another first world country? What would your choices be, and why? I think that if we had to pick another country, I would want one where Spanish is one of the unofficial languages because obviously my wife and her daughter speak it. I hear that in parts of Germany and France, it is spoken.

Work in this country is chaos at best, and it completely absorbs all of my time. I am out of the house for fourteen hours a day (4 to 6 hours of that is traveling to and from work). When I return home they still aren't finished with me and I have to continue working. My wife tells me I am lucky that I don't work more than this, but it is destroying our marriage. I am really trying to make time to study so I can upgrade my skills in case one day they say no to my wife and do not allow her into Canada...then I will be prepared to get a work visa in another country. I know this is quite a long ways away, but when the future of your family is uncertain, don't you think you are responsible to take every step to proactively prepare for it? I keep applying for jobs that pay well enough in Canada for me to support them while I live in Canada and they live in Mexico but I am not having any luck. I doubt I could afford the drive back anyways, even if I had an offer.

I really hope we don't have problems with the PR, but honestly, Mexico is not a place to live. I would feel guilty for raising a child in this country. I want to give her daughter a quality life and education, in a place where we can all make real dollars, and have higher standards of living. Not going to a hospital and being refused in because there are too many people, or being turned away because there is no power to the hospital. Seriously. I realize that this is a forum about immigrating to Canada, but I know that many people have been denied a PR and I want to know what they did.

 

[mikeymyke]

My wife and I werent refused but while I was dating her, I never wouldve been with her if I didnt feel I could live in Vietnam with her should she be refused. Think about it, you married your spouse because you love her and want to be w her, not to have her move to a certain country right? Because there are never any guarantees when it comes to sponsorship.

When I first met my wife and got to know her more, I said to myself that maybe in the future there is a possibility I would marry her, but if I did that, wouldnt it be selfish of me to take her away from her home country and family to Canada? If she really wanted to live in VN, do I love her enough to live there w her? If I can love someone enough to marry, why wouldnt I be able to live in a country that she has lived in for many years? And also, realize that Vietnam is one of the poorest countries in the world and its standard of living lower than many countries

 

[ImABule]

If your relationship is genuine your chances of being denied are slim as long as medical, security, and criminality checks are passed. If for some reason you are denied then you file an appeal.

Worst case scenario as Mikeymyke stated you have to live with your family outside Canada.

 

[alemoo]

She lived and worked illegally in the US for 2.5 years. She has two missed court dates for speeding tickets. She missed the dates because she left to come back to Mexico so we could get married. She never did anything else illegal. Her reason for entering the US in the first place were to get out of a bad family situation, and so she could make real dollars in order to provide a better life for her daughter who was living back home. Nobody will give me a straight answer about how that will affect her admissibility into Canada, and I've already talked to the CIC and to immigration lawyers and immigration specialists...this is basically the only reason why we fear it will be denied, and to have to live with that uncertainty for the next three years is very painful. I have no idea who to talk to in order to find a straight answer to that question.

 

[Ponga]

She lived and worked illegally in the US for 2.5 years. She has two missed court dates for speeding tickets. She missed the dates because she left to come back to Mexico so we could get married. She never did anything else illegal. Her reason for entering the US in the first place were to get out of a bad family situation, and so she could make real dollars in order to provide a better life for her daughter who was living back home. Nobody will give me a straight answer about how that will affect her admissibility into Canada, and I've already talked to the CIC and to immigration lawyers and immigration specialists...this is basically the only reason why we fear it will be denied, and to have to live with that uncertainty for the next three years is very painful. I have no idea who to talk to in order to find a straight answer to that question.

Her working and living illegally in The U.S., will NOT lead to a refusal of her Sponsorship application, alone, but the missed court dates might. She needs to contact the court(s) and find out what the status is and find out how to remedy the problem...if it really is a problem.

 

[flx2015]

my wife and i already decided a while back that if they refuse our case, i'll leave canada and move to where she is (i'm the sponsor). it would be tough leaving my job behind, and even tougher leaving canada since i've spent my entire life living in the west, but none of that matters because being together with my wife is ultimately more important than anything else.

 

[Ponga]

What state was she in when she received the tickets?

Some states, like California, have pretty severe penalties for missing court dates for traffic tickets.

 

[alemoo]

What state was she in when she received the tickets?

Some states, like California, have pretty severe penalties for missing court dates for traffic tickets.

Hi Ponga, thanks for the reply. She was living in KS but working in Missouri when she had the tickets (she was driving to work). One was for speeding and the other was for careless driving (a little too far over the yellow line, so a police officer had to swerve a little to avoid getting hit). She has a false permanent resident card of course. The spelling she gave for her last name had one letter wrong. She had a lawyer postpone the court date twice but by now it obviously has passed.

 

[alemoo]

My wife and I werent refused but while I was dating her, I never wouldve been with her if I didnt feel I could live in Vietnam with her should she be refused. Think about it, you married your spouse because you love her and want to be w her, not to have her move to a certain country right? Because there are never any guarantees when it comes to sponsorship.

When I first met my wife and got to know her more, I said to myself that maybe in the future there is a possibility I would marry her, but if I did that, wouldnt it be selfish of me to take her away from her home country and family to Canada? If she really wanted to live in VN, do I love her enough to live there w her? If I can love someone enough to marry, why wouldnt I be able to live in a country that she has lived in for many years? And also, realize that VIerbam is one of the poorest countries in the world and its standard of living lower than many countries

Of course, that is the right thing to do. If you love your wife you will live anywhere with her. But before that happens, I want to make an actual committed effort to try to immigrate to another country and get a work visa. If that also fails then I understand that we can't live the rest of our lives trying to escape Mexico. I want to get my next level certification in my field and better skills, which I will have the next three years to do so, and then try to get us into another country. If it doesn't work, then at least I will have my permanent residence in Mexico (granted four years after your temporary residency). Two years further after that I will have citizenship, and right now I am eligible to get a loan to pay for 80% of the cost of a house. It's just that I really want out of this place. I don't know how to stop being angry at this place. I have not done a lot of research but I'm sure there are other European countries where we could move to. Of course the language barrier will be tough at first. There are so many uncertainties.

 

[Ponga]

Just found this:
http://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the-inspection-experience/prior-criminal-offenses/u-s-crimes-and-canadian-equivalent/

At first glance, it looked promising because the author shows that Failure to Appear and Careless Driving are each considered Non-Serious in terms of Canada Immigration, but...s/he also says the same thing about DUI, which we all know is NOT the case; it's very serious!

 

[jomz]

Of course, that is the right thing to do. If you love your wife you will live anywhere with her. But before that happens, I want to make an actual committed effort to try to immigrate to another country and get a work visa. If that also fails then I understand that we can't live the rest of our lives trying to escape Mexico. I want to get my next level certification in my field and better skills, which I will have the next three years to do so, and then try to get us into another country. If it doesn't work, then at least I will have my permanent residence in Mexico (granted four years after your temporary residency). Two years further after that I will have citizenship, and right now I am eligible to get a loan to pay for 80% of the cost of a house. It's just that I really want out of this place. I don't know how to stop being angry at this place. I have not done a lot of research but I'm sure there are other European countries where we could move to. Of course the language barrier will be tough at first. There are so many uncertainties.

Best thing to do, order fbi police certificate now to see what may be on it. Since she left and I'm assuming they don't have her forwarding address she may not know if she was charged with anything else, especially troublesome is using fake identification.

 

[alemoo]

Best thing to do, order fbi police certificate now to see what may be on it. Since she left and I'm assuming they don't have her forwarding address she may not know if she was charged with anything else, especially troublesome is using fake identification.

Exactly, I was thinking the same thing, but the police department told me the only way to order the records is for her to go there :/

 

[Ponga]

Exactly, I was thinking the same thing, but the police department told me the only way to order the records is for her to go there :/

AFAIK, all she needs to do is have her fingerprints taken (I suggest having two complete sets, in case there's a problem with any on the first card), complete the request form and pay the $18 processing fee. They will send the letter to any address that she provides.

It will take a few months (at least), but it should give you an idea of what, if anything, she's up against.

 

[alemoo]

Just found this:
http://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the-inspection-experience/prior-criminal-offenses/u-s-crimes-and-canadian-equivalent/

At first glance, it looked promising because the author shows that Failure to Appear and Careless Driving are each considered Non-Serious in terms of Canada Immigration, but...s/he also says the same thing about DUI, which we all know is NOT the case; it's very serious!

Thanks for the link. I think she should be fine. I wonder where they get their sources from. I think she will be OK as long as we explain the circumstances, but I am going to have to contact the police department again and talk to someone. The last time I called around Xmas, they told me that not only could they not supply a record check because she used a fake name, but they also refused to give me an official letter stating that they refuse to supply a record check. Bastards.

 

[alemoo]

I am trying to use this Law Society of Upper Canada's Lawyer Referral Service...you get a free 30 minute consultation.