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Reasons for Rejection

thecoldperson

Full Member
Feb 13, 2017
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Tatya_Vinchu said:
I think there is also some form you have to fill out for representative cancellation. I am doing the same.
Had you filled any form before to appoint a representative ?
If yes was it pre ita or post ita ?
 

kryt0n

VIP Member
Sep 30, 2014
5,422
274
NOC Code......
2172
AOR Received.
16-03-2017
Passport Req..
11-07-2017
thecoldperson said:
So no need to submit any cancelation form right ? I mean logically speaking o had not filled or submitted any form before so what do u suggest still ?
If you change the representative to "no" at eAPR then that's it. No need to follow up anything. If you say"yes" to a representative at eAPR you have to contact CIC and they will ask you to complete a cancellation form
 

TanakaM

VIP Member
Dec 29, 2016
3,504
3,026
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
AOR Received.
14-04-17
Hi,

I have a problem with my chest xray. There is pleural fluid in my lower right lung. Had a chest infection 6 months ago so I thought it had cleared. I was also cleared of TB at the time. Doctor said it will cause delays with my application as CIC is likely to ask for further tests. My questions are:

1) Once I submit, does CIC process the application or is it put on hold until meds are passed?
2) Are there people who have been rejected due to this?

Cheers
 

Tatya_Vinchu

Star Member
Mar 1, 2017
135
3
thecoldperson said:
Had you filled any form before to appoint a representative ?
If yes was it pre ita or post ita ?
I am not sure if any form was filled because my consultant was handling the entire profile until I got my ITA. After getting ITA I have taken control of the entire application process. But i think kryt0n may be right. Just saying 'no' where it asks for representative should do it.
 

thecoldperson

Full Member
Feb 13, 2017
22
0
Tatya_Vinchu said:
I am not sure if any form was filled because my consultant was handling the entire profile until I got my ITA. After getting ITA I have taken control of the entire application process. But i think kryt0n may be right. Just saying 'no' where it asks for representative should do it.
Dear Tatya and Kryton
Thanks for the replies. I asked because I am just worried abt the misrepresentation thing. Becuase Before ITA it was yes and POST ITA I am making it no. So only mentioning this in LOE would suffice right ?
 

kryt0n

VIP Member
Sep 30, 2014
5,422
274
NOC Code......
2172
AOR Received.
16-03-2017
Passport Req..
11-07-2017
thecoldperson said:
Dear Tatya and Kryton
Thanks for the replies. I asked because I am just worried abt the misrepresentation thing. Becuase Before ITA it was yes and POST ITA I am making it no. So only LOE would suffice right ?
Correct. You're not misrepresenting anything.
 

Galen6

Newbie
Mar 7, 2017
2
0
Dear Friends,

Thank you very much for your help. In the meantime another interesting reason for rejection came up. It concerns the job reference letter. I have found these two articles regarding it but they seem to be contradicting. One of them claims that your duties listed in the employment letter should not be so similar to the NOC code description and the other one says they should be. I am a little bit confused now. Could you please advise based on your experience? Please find the excerpts from the two articles below:

"The list of employment duties is how the visa officer confirms that you’ve chosen an appropriate NOC code. Every NOC code has an associated lead statement and list of duties. It doesn’t matter if your official job title doesn’t match up with a job title associated with your NOC code, as long as your employment duties match the lead statement and duties.

That said, it’s suspicious if your letter of reference matches the NOC description exactly. The visa officer might believe that your letter of reference was created for the purposes of matching the NOC, rather than being an actual record of your work experience. In that case, the letter is considered “self-serving”, fraudulently obtained for immigration purposes, and not eligible for processing."

And the other point of view:

"In order to be assigned points for your skilled work experience, you must be able to show that you have:

- performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation;
- a substantial number of the main duties, and
- including all essential duties, as set out in the National Occupational Classification."


What do you think? I am starting to get more and more confused because of this.

Thank you very much for your help in advance!
 

vensak

VIP Member
Jul 14, 2016
3,868
1,016
124
Category........
Visa Office......
Vienna
NOC Code......
1225
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Galen6 said:
Dear Friends,

Thank you very much for your help. In the meantime another interesting reason for rejection came up. It concerns the job reference letter. I have found these two articles regarding it but they seem to be contradicting. One of them claims that your duties listed in the employment letter should not be so similar to the NOC code description and the other one says they should be. I am a little bit confused now. Could you please advise based on your experience? Please find the excerpts from the two articles below:

"The list of employment duties is how the visa officer confirms that you’ve chosen an appropriate NOC code. Every NOC code has an associated lead statement and list of duties. It doesn’t matter if your official job title doesn’t match up with a job title associated with your NOC code, as long as your employment duties match the lead statement and duties.

That said, it’s suspicious if your letter of reference matches the NOC description exactly. The visa officer might believe that your letter of reference was created for the purposes of matching the NOC, rather than being an actual record of your work experience. In that case, the letter is considered “self-serving”, fraudulently obtained for immigration purposes, and not eligible for processing."

And the other point of view:

"In order to be assigned points for your skilled work experience, you must be able to show that you have:

- performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation;
- a substantial number of the main duties, and
- including all essential duties, as set out in the National Occupational Classification."


What do you think? I am starting to get more and more confused because of this.

Thank you very much for your help in advance!
Here is my understanding of job duties.

1. If you choose the lazy way (copy / paste), you can get rejected. Using the exact text just points out, that you put down what they want to hear and not what you really do in your job.
2. If what you put has too little common with chosen NOC (and here I do not mean wording, but I mean idea how average person can immagine that specialisation according NOC description also when comparing similar NOC), then again you might get rejected.

So you should use partly different wording, can be different order of duties and resposibilities and essential is to find there what makes that NOC different against other similar NOC.
 

TanakaM

VIP Member
Dec 29, 2016
3,504
3,026
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
AOR Received.
14-04-17
Galen6 said:
Dear Friends,

Thank you very much for your help. In the meantime another interesting reason for rejection came up. It concerns the job reference letter. I have found these two articles regarding it but they seem to be contradicting. One of them claims that your duties listed in the employment letter should not be so similar to the NOC code description and the other one says they should be. I am a little bit confused now. Could you please advise based on your experience? Please find the excerpts from the two articles below:

"The list of employment duties is how the visa officer confirms that you’ve chosen an appropriate NOC code. Every NOC code has an associated lead statement and list of duties. It doesn’t matter if your official job title doesn’t match up with a job title associated with your NOC code, as long as your employment duties match the lead statement and duties.

That said, it’s suspicious if your letter of reference matches the NOC description exactly. The visa officer might believe that your letter of reference was created for the purposes of matching the NOC, rather than being an actual record of your work experience. In that case, the letter is considered “self-serving”, fraudulently obtained for immigration purposes, and not eligible for processing."

And the other point of view:

"In order to be assigned points for your skilled work experience, you must be able to show that you have:

- performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation;
- a substantial number of the main duties, and
- including all essential duties, as set out in the National Occupational Classification."


What do you think? I am starting to get more and more confused because of this.

Thank you very much for your help in advance!
vensak said:
Here is my understanding of job duties.

1. If you choose the lazy way (copy / paste), you can get rejected. Using the exact text just points out, that you put down what they want to hear and not what you really do in your job.
2. If what you put has too little common with chosen NOC (and here I do not mean wording, but I mean idea how average person can immagine that specialisation according NOC description also when comparing similar NOC), then again you might get rejected.

So you should use partly different wording, can be different order of duties and resposibilities and essential is to find there what makes that NOC different against other similar NOC.
I agree. In short don't copy ad paste but keep the same meaning. Paraphrase, kind of like the introduction in part 2 of the IELTS writing test.lol
 

Neo_says

Hero Member
Feb 17, 2016
491
24
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
2174
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
AOR Received.
6th Feb 2016
Hi guys,

One of my friend was working as a Business Analyst but his salary was quite low compare to market rate.
Is he still eligible for FSW ?

I doubt as his salary is low compare to market rate.
Do we have any such norm in FSW ?

please advise.
 

vishalg

Champion Member
Oct 14, 2015
1,115
185
NOC Code......
6221
Neo_says said:
Hi guys,

One of my friend was working as a Business Analyst but his salary was quite low compare to market rate.
Is he still eligible for FSW ?

I doubt as his salary is low compare to market rate.
Do we have any such norm in FSW ?

please advise.
experience should be paid.
Low or high isn't a problem.
 

PhoebeHa

Newbie
Mar 7, 2017
3
0
Hi Experts,

I got ITA two weeks ago. Here is my information:

1. I applied under Canadian Experience Class.
2. I graduated in Business Administration 3 years program
3. After graduating, I worked in a restaurant as a COOKS/ 6322 NOC code for 9 months. Then I was promoted to a CHEF/ 6321 NOC code fulltime until now. I have no certificate in cooking. I just have experience because when I was going to school, I worked part time for many restaurants for 3 years.
4. I have LMIA from my current restaurant which is used to support my PR application, and the title is CHEF

"Date "ABC" first became qualified to practice in this occupation
If the "primary occupation" is:
a qualified trade (four-digit code begins with 632, 633, 72, 73, 82, 92), this is the date they became qualified to practice on their own in Canada. (For example, when they moved from apprentice to being a licensed tradesperson.)
any other job, this is the date they first obtained the minimum education or training stated in the NOC description. (Note: if the NOC only states high school, this is the date they graduated.)"


How can I answer this question? Please be aware that I applied under Canadian Experience Class which does not require education. So Is that the date I promoted to a CHEF??

Many thanks,
 

olgac

Star Member
Nov 14, 2016
124
8
TanakaM said:
Hi,

I have a problem with my chest xray. There is pleural fluid in my lower right lung. Had a chest infection 6 months ago so I thought it had cleared. I was also cleared of TB at the time. Doctor said it will cause delays with my application as CIC is likely to ask for further tests. My questions are:

1) Once I submit, does CIC process the application or is it put on hold until meds are passed?
2) Are there people who have been rejected due to this?

Cheers
Did the medical centre inform you about this pleural fluid?
 

Champ.90

Star Member
Oct 4, 2015
141
18
Ottawa
Category........
CEC
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
6221
Job Offer........
Yes
App. Filed.......
12-06-2017
AOR Received.
12-06-2017
Passport Req..
25-09-2017
Hey guys !!

Good day ! This is my first post on this page. I hope you will help me to clear my doubt. Actually I'm working with one company since last two years and I got positive lmia yesterday. My query is related Job title. If the company and duties are same then can we use only one title in job offer letter. Actually I was working with other title before I get lmia but I have same duties after get lmia. I didn't create my express entry profile yet. I hope I'll get proper guidelines related it.

Thanks.