Ray of hope - FSW - 1

[Islander216]

How are they the same criteria? They may use the same scoring systems, but the criteria is different. One looks if you have Canadian experience and the other looks for your foreign experience. One person is already having a UCI number and some history with Canada, but the other doesn't have any experience or record with Canada.

And as you mentioned, they are 2 different categories, don't think you should compare even that.

If you're talking about criteria in terms of qualifying for the program, yes they are different. But the scoring criteria is the same, i.e. they score identically on the CRS. That's what i meant.

Whether you want to compare or not, it's clear that a CEC only program draw means people with lower scores are accepted while people with higher score are not.

I think that's unfair, people can feel differently.

 

[Canada2107]

People should start thinking of a plan B

I don't get it why everybody is sooooooo desperate to leave their country? Is it not good enough to live? The world is a mess now... Do you think that Canadians want us to get in in their country? People are becoming xenophobic because of the economic crisis that is happening because of this pandemic ... everyone is losing their jobs ... and Do you still think we are welcome?

 

[tankala13]

If you're talking about criteria in terms of qualifying for the program, yes they are different. But the scoring criteria is the same, i.e. they score identically on the CRS. That's what i meant.

Whether you want to compare or not, it's clear that a CEC only program draw means people with lower scores are accepted while people with higher score are not.

I think that's unfair, people can feel differently.

When I was 5th Grade, the school library had a policy that books would be lent to kids 6th grade and above, and when I came to 6th grade the school librarian left and the new librarian updated the policy that 4th and 5th grade children can also start lending books from the library. Now should I call it unfair that why are those 4th and 5th grade students getting books and I just missed because of a new librarian?

CEC only program doesn't only mean that people with lower scores are accepted, in the current scenario it means that people who are in Canada are getting preference over people who have never visited Canada.

Canada as a country values Canadian Experience a lot. Its a lot better now, but a couple of years back, they won't even look at your resume if you didn't have Canadian Experience. Its not just a Category for IRCC or Canada, it is more than that.

I would feel jealous because those people are already in Canada and getting benefit of the current situation but I can't say its unfair.

 

[tankala13]

I don't get it why everybody is sooooooo desperate to leave their country? Is it not good enough to live? The world is a shit now... Do you think that Canadians want us to get in in their country? People are becoming xenophobic because of the economic crisis that is happening because of this pandemic ... everyone is losing their jobs ... and Do you still think we are welcome?

Its because they have a dream about Canada, and they have invested some good amount of time and money working towards this dream. I wouldn't be that critical of them.

 

[Islander216]

When I was 5th Grade, the school library had a policy that books would be lent to kids 6th grade and above, and when I came to 6th grade the school librarian left and the new librarian updated the policy that 4th and 5th grade children can also start lending books from the library. Now should I call it unfair that why are those 4th and 5th grade students getting books and I just missed because of a new librarian?

CEC only program doesn't only mean that people with lower scores are accepted, in the current scenario it means that people who are in Canada are getting preference over people who have never visited Canada.

Canada as a country values Canadian Experience a lot. Its a lot better now, but a couple of years back, they won't even look at your resume if you didn't have Canadian Experience. Its not just a Category for IRCC or Canada, it is more than that.

I would feel jealous but I can't say its unfair.

I don't see the parallel with the librarian analogy. A better analogy would be saying the new librarian was only allowing 5th graders to borrow books, and that would not be fair.

It means exactly that people with lower scores are being accepted, if you're a CEC and have a score of 437 and a FSW has a score of 480, you are taking the place of someone who has scored more than you on the same scoring criteria. That's not fair.

People in Canada are only getting preference because of the pandemic, nothing less nothing more. This whole thing about Canadian experience is overplayed, plenty of successful immigrants come from abroad and establish good careers in Canada. If a CEC has 1 or 2 years of experience, it doesn't make such a massive difference compared to a well qualified outland applicant who has the right qualifications, skills, and experience.

It's just about the pandemic, the only other time there was a CEC only draw was once at the very beginning of EE and it was a small draw. Otherwise, it has always been all program draws until the pandemic occurred.

 

[tankala13]

I don't see the parallel with the librarian analogy. A better analogy would saying the new librarian was only allowing 5th graders to borrow books, and that would not be fair.

It means exactly that people with lower scores are being accepted, if you have a score of 437 and a FSW has a score of 480, you are taking the place of someone who has score more than you on the same scoring criteria. That's not fair.

People in Canada are only getting preference because of the pandemic, nothing less nothing more. This whole thing about Canadian experience is overplayed, plenty of successful immigrants come from abroad and establish good careers in Canada. If a CEC has 1 or 2 years of experience, it doesn't make such a massive difference to a well qualified outland applicant who has the right qualifications, skills, and experience.

It's just about the pandemic, the only other time there was a CEC only draw was once at the very of EE and it was a small draw. Otherwise, it has always been all program draws until the pandemic occurred.

. That's what you think. And if Canadian Experience doesn't make difference I think IRCC has the wrong categories.

The fact of the matter is, that IRCC has a category for CEC and I think that shows clearly they care for people who have Canadian experience. Your assumption of that a 1 or 2 year experience doesn't matter also doesn't matter as IRCC gives preference to them (by giving them extra points for that).

And "This whole thing about Canadian experience is overplayed" is something you shouldn't take lightly. Just my suggestion. If you have doubts check LinkedIn about posts from people struggling to get jobs initially because of this same reason. Plenty of successfully migrants come from abroad and don't establish good careers in Canada too.

I don't think its unfair, but I would for sure feel jealous of CEC applicants because they have a better opportunity because of a factor not in control of anyone.

They are two different categories and shouldn't be compared. CEC candidates have different ways of getting PR (like PNP, LMIA points) other than EE. People are now applying to EE just because of the score coming down. FSW candidates give 3-4 times IELTES to improve their score, and most of the low scoring CEC candidates would have given IELTES once just for PNP eligibility. There is lot of difference in both category applicants. So its unfair to compare.

That's it. It was nice understanding your perspective. Have a good day ahead!!!

 

[Rexxxx]

This is an FSW thread. I see no reason why CEC talks have crept in. We are happy for whoever gets ITA. What we should be hopeful for is good news about lifting travel restrictions and fsw draws that would favour our personal selves. Because honest truth is once I've gotten an ITA, I wont care about others who haven't and I'm sure its same about every other person. Also evident from the negativity of some folks who also emigrated to canada through fsw.
So pray it favours you soon. And dont be a joy kill or be bitter towards those who are currently being favoured!
It may take time, but I am confident my ITA will come.

Sincerely
481 losing points in September but happy FSW candidate.

 

[Islander216]

. That's what you think. And if Canadian Experience doesn't make difference I think IRCC has the wrong categories.

The fact of the matter is, that IRCC has a category for CEC and I think that shows clearly they care for people who have Canadian experience. Your assumption of that a 1 or 2 year experience doesn't matter also doesn't matter as IRCC gives preference to them (by giving them extra points for that).

I'm not saying it doesn't make a difference, but your CRS score already includes significant bonuses for Canadian education and work experience. I think that's a fair reflection of its important in the overall criteria.

And "This whole thing about Canadian experience is overplayed" is something you shouldn't take lightly. Just my suggestion. If you have doubts check LinkedIn about posts from people struggling to get jobs initially because of this same reason. Plenty of successfully migrants come from abroad and don't establish good careers in Canada too.

I don't think its unfair, but I would for sure feel jealous of CEC applicants because they have a better opportunity because of a factor not in control of anyone.

And there are also a lot of CEC doing low paying jobs, it works both ways. It depends on what your expectations are and everything is relative. Maybe an FSW who has a good career in their home country will just be less willing to take the step down in their career necessary in Canada. It all depends, most CECs are less picky about opportunities.

They are two different categories and shouldn't be compared. CEC candidates have different ways of getting PR (like PNP, LMIA points) other than EE. People are now applying to EE just because of the score coming down. FSW candidates give 3-4 times IELTES to improve their score, and most of the low scoring CEC candidates would have given IELTES once just for PNP eligibility. There is lot of difference in both category applicants. So its unfair to compare.

That's it. It was nice understanding your perspective. Have a good day ahead!!!

FSWs are also elligible for PNP and LMIA points in most cases.

I have nothing against CECs, i just think they should compete on equal footing with FSWs, and there should be all program draws, this is the fairest way to determine who is best qualified according to the same scoring criteria.

 

[hydrizxcv]

I was under the impression based on some comments that if the FSW draw occurs the score will be lower than the March 4th draw of 471 because WES and IELTS are not functioning properly as a result of the lockdown.

Now some members are in agreement that the opposite is true -- the next FSW draw will have a higher score (475+ ish) because a lot of H1B holders are looking for Canada PRs.

I wish there was some consensus about this and we knew with reasonable certainty whether the FSW draw score will be > 471 March 4th or < 471 March 4th draw.

 

[abqalhamairi]

I was under the impression based on some comments that if the FSW draw occurs the score will be lower than the March 4th draw of 471 because WES and IELTS are not functioning properly as a result of the lockdown.

Now some members are in agreement that the opposite is true -- the next FSW draw will have a higher score (475+ ish) because a lot of H1B holders are looking for Canada PRs.

I wish there was some consensus about this and we knew with reasonable certainty whether the FSW draw score will be > 471 March 4th or < 471 March 4th draw.

Its not because of H1Bs at all. Simply look at the numbers, there are more than 5000 applicants with a CRS score higher than 470. The draw is usually 3900, so it would be in the range of 472-475 in my opinion as the statistics from the last draw illustrate.

 

[Islander216]

Of course the cut-off score will increase, because you still have all these high scoring FSWs who are stuck in the pool since March.

Once all these people are cleared, then the cut-off score will start descending. But that might take a few all program draws before that happens.

Any decrease in the cut-off score will occur in this interim period between these people getting ITAs and the delay associated with new candidates gettig their ECAs and language tests results before they can enter the pool.

 

[InternationalMallu]

Its not because of H1Bs at all. Simply look at the numbers, there are more than 5000 applicants with a CRS score higher than 470. The draw is usually 3900, so it would be in the range of 472-475 in my opinion as the statistics from the last draw illustrate.

Scores will likely stay above 475. This will be the new normal. Scores were already above 470 before the pandemic. In the future the best bet to gain PR is to come to Canada as a Masters student and then gain appropriate work experience.

With hostile view of immigration that is the consensus of most Americans and a likely Trump re-election and a 150 year GC wait for Indians in America, Canada is becoming a more attractive option. I know most people don’t wish to accept this but this is the new reality Exasperated by the pandemic.

People who wish to be ahead of the curve should consider doing their undergrad in their home country, gain appropriate experience and then come to Canada through PNP, masters programs or IT and healthcare positions which are in demand.

 

[Uncle Yayo]

Scores will likely stay above 475. This will be the new normal. Scores were already above 470 before the pandemic. In the future the best bet to gain PR is to come to Canada as a Masters student and then gain appropriate work experience.

With hostile view of immigration that is the consensus of most Americans and a likely Trump re-election and a 150 year GC wait for Indians in America, Canada is becoming a more attractive option. I know most people don’t wish to accept this but this is the new reality Exasperated by the pandemic.

People who wish to be ahead of the curve should consider doing their undergrad in their home country, gain appropriate experience and then come to Canada through PNP, masters programs or IT and healthcare positions which are in demand.

In other words your saying that even a 475 score doesn’t stand a chance?

 

[aipg]

Its not because of H1Bs at all. Simply look at the numbers, there are more than 5000 applicants with a CRS score higher than 470. The draw is usually 3900, so it would be in the range of 472-475 in my opinion as the statistics from the last draw illustrate.

Just think about what the numbers will like be when things open up....when people are able sit ielts, get their educational credentials evaluated at same pace like before.....Its going to be bunkers.....2022 is going to be a hell of year for aspirants.

 

[scylla]

I was under the impression based on some comments that if the FSW draw occurs the score will be lower than the March 4th draw of 471 because WES and IELTS are not functioning properly as a result of the lockdown.

Now some members are in agreement that the opposite is true -- the next FSW draw will have a higher score (475+ ish) because a lot of H1B holders are looking for Canada PRs.

I wish there was some consensus about this and we knew with reasonable certainty whether the FSW draw score will be > 471 March 4th or < 471 March 4th draw.

We know the first draw is going to be higher. There's no question of that. It's very clear from the numbers published by IRCC. There are more than 5K people sitting in the pool right now with scores of 470+.