Potential changes in Express Entry in upcoming months (released by IRCC)
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I do not want to sound impolite or discouraging, really. But there are so many different cases concerning international students.mead said:
I know that some of them (let's say small minority) were sent by families who has money with the straight intent to get PR and then get family visas, etc, not really much attention is paid to real studies or what kind of specialist they really are.
Why is this abstract person should be treated better than let's say any European graduate who has some experience working in international company? Is Harvard weaker than UoT, for example?
There are lots of debates concerning the real impact of international students to economy. Some people (canadians, not me - just see the video with the lawyer or consultants posted somewhere here) discussing possible changes say that there is realy zero or even negative impact. Why? Because international students often agree to work for lower rates than native canadians.
And I strongly believe that in 10 years after landing both international student and newcomer who did not had canadian education will be same good.
Immigration is a long-term perspective, with long-term effect, not just 3-4 years.
Anyway, it is CIC who sees the real picture and decides.
Hello everyone,
I have been hearing about all these changes in express entry for international students. Kindly explain if PhD students who are currently studying in Canadian universities will be given some extra points. I have been in Canada for more than 2 years now for my PhD program. I did qualify for FSW and was given Ontario PT back in Jan but if these changes are coming in express entry that will be great news for students like me.
I have been hearing about all these changes in express entry for international students. Kindly explain if PhD students who are currently studying in Canadian universities will be given some extra points. I have been in Canada for more than 2 years now for my PhD program. I did qualify for FSW and was given Ontario PT back in Jan but if these changes are coming in express entry that will be great news for students like me.
I do not want to sound impolite or discouraging, really. But there are so many different cases concerning international students.
I know that some of them (let's say small minority) were sent by families who has money with the straight intent to get PR and then get family visas, etc, not really much attention is paid to real studies or what kind of specialist they really are.
Why is this abstract person should be treated better than let's say any European graduate who has some experience working in international company? Is Harvard weaker than UoT, for example?
exactly u got the point there is no regards to profession in express entry. So instead of comparing UoT to Harvard look at bad apples say XYZ university(say Trump university) is being compared to lowest of canadian university Canadian lowest uni will be better than a low ranking 3rd world university. I agree that harvard grad should get preference but is it now? Trump uni grad is same as Harvard right now in the system. Number of Harvard grad applying to express entry r low as compared to Trump university grads hence we who r in better canadian university want to weed out Trump university grads. U see the point. So in essence low ranking 3rd world gard is same as harvard same as Canadian university grad isnt that wrong? A doctor is same as a food industry manager(aka burger flipper). System is biased towards experience no regards to profession or talent.
There are lots of debates concerning the real impact of international students to economy. Some people (canadians, not me - just see the video with the lawyer or consultants posted somewhere here) discussing possible changes say that there is realy zero or even negative impact. Why? Because international students often agree to work for lower rates than native canadians.
ur wrong if the job is skilled salaries r not dependent on the applicant there are avg salaries search web for avg salaries per profession. Salaries r not talked before selection. meaning if u have been seleced through the interview process then when they give u the offer they will tell u the salary. its not discussed before so that argument doesnt hold for skilled jobs. It however holds true to non skilled jobs which do not qualify u for Express entry so do not matter.
And I strongly believe that in 10 years after landing both international student and newcomer who did not had canadian education will be same good.
yes but int students are already here which gives them more authenticity/verifiability than the newcomer. Problem is newcomer's experience/education cannot be verified as effectively as int student.
so less chance of selecting a bad apple. system is not able to weed out bad apples.
Anyway, it is CIC who sees the real picture and decides.
they r not seeing the picture hence the problems in the system
I know that some of them (let's say small minority) were sent by families who has money with the straight intent to get PR and then get family visas, etc, not really much attention is paid to real studies or what kind of specialist they really are.
Why is this abstract person should be treated better than let's say any European graduate who has some experience working in international company? Is Harvard weaker than UoT, for example?
exactly u got the point there is no regards to profession in express entry. So instead of comparing UoT to Harvard look at bad apples say XYZ university(say Trump university) is being compared to lowest of canadian university Canadian lowest uni will be better than a low ranking 3rd world university. I agree that harvard grad should get preference but is it now? Trump uni grad is same as Harvard right now in the system. Number of Harvard grad applying to express entry r low as compared to Trump university grads hence we who r in better canadian university want to weed out Trump university grads. U see the point. So in essence low ranking 3rd world gard is same as harvard same as Canadian university grad isnt that wrong? A doctor is same as a food industry manager(aka burger flipper). System is biased towards experience no regards to profession or talent.
There are lots of debates concerning the real impact of international students to economy. Some people (canadians, not me - just see the video with the lawyer or consultants posted somewhere here) discussing possible changes say that there is realy zero or even negative impact. Why? Because international students often agree to work for lower rates than native canadians.
ur wrong if the job is skilled salaries r not dependent on the applicant there are avg salaries search web for avg salaries per profession. Salaries r not talked before selection. meaning if u have been seleced through the interview process then when they give u the offer they will tell u the salary. its not discussed before so that argument doesnt hold for skilled jobs. It however holds true to non skilled jobs which do not qualify u for Express entry so do not matter.
And I strongly believe that in 10 years after landing both international student and newcomer who did not had canadian education will be same good.
yes but int students are already here which gives them more authenticity/verifiability than the newcomer. Problem is newcomer's experience/education cannot be verified as effectively as int student.
so less chance of selecting a bad apple. system is not able to weed out bad apples.
Anyway, it is CIC who sees the real picture and decides.
they r not seeing the picture hence the problems in the system
You are seeing the picture just from your chair. Overall picture is much wider.mead said:
First, when being interviewed, you are not told you salary. You need to discuss it. If you are skilled. And really, you will never know how much that native canadian would be paid if they hire him instead of you. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but you never know for sure.
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yes but int students are already here which gives them more authenticity/verifiability than the newcomer. Problem is newcomer's experience/education cannot be verified as effectively as int student.
Looks like you are from India (looove this country, by the way) and the work on immigration to Canada or USA is like manufacturing process there: first education required, sometimes real earned diploma, sometimes fake (otherwise you would not mention it's hard to verify), some years of experience - real or faked and signed by some distant relative, decent level of English overall in the country. I don't even speak about the job offers sold for immigration purposes. That's why you're saying their experience is hard to verify.
But the world is bigger. There is Europe with decently educated people and work experience in international companies. There is Russia and ex-USSR countries with probably the strongest developers in the world. There is China with their dedication to work and technologies. They are all good to contribute to Canada.
Hey Sluffy, buddy dont start this Europe and other countries dirty game here, this is the forum for aspiring Canadians, lets talk about CANADA only.Sluffy said:
And the reason why it was mentioned in the post that it is hard to get the Education credentials verified is because Not all of the universities does the Online verification, you have to send them a regular post and then they take their own time to reply and then they do not send a courier but a regular mail, which can eat up a lot of time, specially when you have a time crunch.
so before you say anything about any country, think logically that there could be tons of other reason to it as well, not just what you are thinking.
Hope that gives you a little bit of an idea as to why it is hard to get the education documents verified....
Also, If you love Europe/China/Russia or Ex USSR, then what are you doing here, why not stay where you are or apply for the Immigration there, just saying
There are people with talent as well as *censored word* people in every country including India, China, Europe or any of the countries you mentioned. One has to be really dumb to think people from certain countries are essentially any better or worse than people from other places. It's the individual which matters more than anything else.Sluffy said:
Please be respectful of the fellow members, and refrain from spreading this kind of prejudice around here. There are people from all over the world in this forum, and no one deserves this nonsense.
Really? LOL. You are in Canada 2-3-4 years and you are aspiring _Canadian_?garyastudent said:Hey Sluffy, buddy dont start this Europe and other countries dirty game here, this is the forum for aspiring Canadians, lets talk about CANADA only.
And the reason why it was mentioned in the post that it is hard to get the Education credentials verified is because Not all of the universities does the Online verification, you have to send them a regular post and then they take their own time to reply and then they do not send a courier but a regular mail, which can eat up a lot of time, specially when you have a time crunch.
so before you say anything about any country, think logically that there could be tons of other reason to it as well, not just what you are thinking.
Hope that gives you a little bit of an idea as to why it is hard to get the education documents verified....
Also, If you love Europe/China/Russia or Ex USSR, then what are you doing here, why not stay where you are or apply for the Immigration there, just saying
And concerning other countries, you don't get a thing on what I'm talking about.
Whether you like it or not, Canada does want and accepts those who are applying outland. And they are much bigger in number, and they are competitive.
And all this mentioning of how looong it takes and how complicated to verify the education sounds very childish. It takes time, but it is possible.
Noone complains that receiving FBI records takes long - it's just like this. And verification process in every country has some special things you should not complain.
That's what I am talking about. For that guy there are Canadian education and bad others. And based on it, he should be given more points. But it is not always true.tormentor said:
The guy told that he is better because his canadian education is easy to verify. True, but I've seen here often that forum members say that foreign experience is easy to fake. Why do they say that? Because they know the cases when it was done. Never before this forum I 've thought that diploma or experience could be faked.
And this has nothing about specific country or nationality. There was a post somewhere in the forum saying that application some countries/regions (I am not going to mention them) are going through a deeper background check. Not because they are good or bad, but because there were registered cases of fraud.
What I wanna say is that one should have a wide view, not just from their point. Claiming you should be rated higher not even taking into account someone else's education, skills and experience is a bad idea. If you are not keeping an eye on who is your competitor, you are very likely to lose.
The world is big, Canada is real Babylon nowadays, and this is the first lesson of how to be tolerant towards others.
wow, look at where the topic started and where its at currently.... some people have a lot of time on their hands i guess... :
Alexios07 said:
Seriously???
There won't be any points allocation to int'l students holding a Post Grad Diploma even though these students are the highest in number compared to other education levels. We are all screwed up in that case.
It's been discussed so many times... International students say that they are so much better than outlanders, so well integrated, skilled and professional. But when you say that you got 3 year PGWP - so you could get at least 2 years of Canadian experience to get enough points for ITA -- they say that it's impossible to get a high skilled job for a fresh graduate. Such hypocrites!