Please HELP! application refused, what should I do?

[pxmyh]

Hi, I just got response for my CEC application, the application is refused. The officer deemed that I don't have enough years of working experience to support my EE score.

In April, I got in with NOC 2147 463 points with two years of Canadian working experience. I applied with NOC 2147, which is the job code in my official offer letter. My NOC 2147 experience is from April 2013 to July 2014. However, from August 2014 to now, my position within the company changed to NOC 2173 where I don't have an official offer for. So the immigration officer consider only April 2013 to July 2014 as my working experience, which is less than two years.

Now the application is refused, what should I do?! I am completely panicking right now!

Thank you for your help!

 

[Kucuy15]

Hi, I just got response for my CEC application, the application is refused. The officer deemed that I don't have enough years of working experience to support my EE score.

In April, I got in with NOC 2147 463 points with two years of Canadian working experience. I applied with NOC 2147, which is the job code in my official offer letter. My NOC 2147 experience is from April 2013 to July 2014. However, from August 2014 to now, my position within the company changed to NOC 2173 where I don't have an official offer for. So the immigration officer consider only April 2013 to July 2014 as my working experience, which is less than two years.

Now the application is refused, what should I do?! I am completely panicking right now!

Thank you for your help!

I am sorry for your refusal! Did you stated in your application that you had 2 yrs of experience with NOC 2147? You get points for years of experience in a specific NOC, based on what you say, it seems like you only work as a NOC 2147 for a total of 15 months, not two full years. If you did claimed points based on 2+ yrs of experience for NOC 2147 than probably your EE score is higher than what it should be?

 

[Asivad Anac]

Hi, I just got response for my CEC application, the application is refused. The officer deemed that I don't have enough years of working experience to support my EE score.

In April, I got in with NOC 2147 463 points with two years of Canadian working experience. I applied with NOC 2147, which is the job code in my official offer letter. My NOC 2147 experience is from April 2013 to July 2014. However, from August 2014 to now, my position within the company changed to NOC 2173 where I don't have an official offer for. So the immigration officer consider only April 2013 to July 2014 as my working experience, which is less than two years.

Now the application is refused, what should I do?! I am completely panicking right now!

Thank you for your help!

Sorry to hear about your refusal.

EE (or more accurately CRS) is NOC agnostic so it counts experience across multiple NOCs. So that shouldn't be a problem.

Were you invited under FSW? If that were the case, probably your change of NOC gave you only 11 points on FSW eligibility instead of 13 and that brought you below 67/100. Check that and confirm so that we can probe this further.

 

[pxmyh]

I am sorry for your refusal! Did you stated in your application that you had 2 yrs of experience with NOC 2147? You get points for years of experience in a specific NOC, based on what you say, it seems like you only work as a NOC 2147 for a total of 15 months, not two full years. If you did claimed points based on 2+ yrs of experience for NOC 2147 than probably your EE score is higher than what it should be?

Thank you Kucuy15, my official offer letter is for NOC 2147, but this is a development program, we switch to different positions after a period of time. after 15 month on NOC 2147, I went to NOC 2173 position, but still with the same company.

I am wondering can I create a new profile and add all NOC applicable to my situation and apply again? I am worried CIC might reject it.

Thanks!

 

[pxmyh]

Sorry to hear about your refusal.

EE (or more accurately CRS) is NOC agnostic so it counts experience across multiple NOCs. So that shouldn't be a problem.

Were you invited under FSW? If that were the case, probably your change of NOC gave you only 11 points on FSW eligibility instead of 13 and that brought you below 67/100. Check that and confirm so that we can probe this further.

Hi Asivad Anac, I am under CEC program. Since my official letter is for NOC 2147, I didn't include NOC 2173 because I was concerned I don't have an offer letter for that position.

 

[Asivad Anac]

Hi Asivad Anac, I am under CEC program. Since my official letter is for NOC 2147, I didn't include NOC 2173 because I was concerned I don't have an offer letter for that position.

It still doesn't matter if you worked under 2 different NOCs. You will still be credited with 2 years of work experience if your reference letter says that you were employed for at least 2 years to the date.

On what date in April 2013 did you start working? And when did you get your ITA?

 

[pxmyh]

I started on April 15, 2013, and April 17 2015 draw I got in.

Since the last couple of months my position is on NOC 2173, so CIC didn't count in.

I am wondering if I can reopen the case and state the situation to the officer? I can get my company to issue reference letter clearly state the situation as well.

 

[KingOfGoodTimes]

Did you work full time for the whole two years ? or was part of it co-op or work internship while studying ?

 

[Asivad Anac]

I started on April 15, 2013, and April 17 2015 draw I got in.

Since the last couple of months my position is on NOC 2173, so CIC didn't count in.

I am wondering if I can reopen the case and state the situation to the officer? I can get my company to issue reference letter clearly state the situation as well.

It isn't about the NOC at all. EE is NOC agnostic. There has to be some other reason and sending a CSE will help only if you first understand why you were rejected.

 

[pxmyh]

Did you work full time for the whole two years ? or was part of it co-op or work internship while studying ?

I worked full time.

 

[pxmyh]

It isn't about the NOC at all. EE is NOC agnostic. There has to be some other reason and sending a CSE will help only if you first understand why you were rejected.

Here's the excerpt from the letter:
"
In your Express Entry profile you indicated that you had two years of Canadian work experience.
Upon application for Permanent Residence, you confirmed the following dates in your profile:
2013-04 to 2014-02 as NOC 2147 Product Development Engineer with [company name]
2014-02 to 2014-07 as NOC 2147 Hardware Engineer with [company name]
This totals one year of Canadian work experience.
"

After 2014-07 I worked as a software engineer, now still is

 

[Asivad Anac]

Here's the excerpt from the letter:
"
In your Express Entry profile you indicated that you had two years of Canadian work experience.
Upon application for Permanent Residence, you confirmed the following dates in your profile:
2013-04 to 2014-02 as NOC 2147 Product Development Engineer with [company name]
2014-02 to 2014-07 as NOC 2147 Hardware Engineer with [company name]
This totals one year of Canadian work experience.
"

After 2014-07 I worked as a software engineer, now still is

Weird!

Ministerial Instructions for EE clearly state the following about Canadian work experience proving that the NOC doesn't matter.

Canadian work experience

(3) For the purposes of this section, Canadian work experience is work experience that

(a) is acquired by a foreign national in Canada in one or more occupations listed in Skill Type 0 Management Occupations or Skill Level A or B of the National Occupational Classification matrix;

(b) consists of full-time work experience, or the full-time equivalent for part-time work experience, with one or more employers; and

(c) is acquired within the 10-year period preceding the day on which points are assigned to the foreign national under subsection (1).

Was your experience discontinuous? The rule for counting discontinuous experience came into force only on May 30th so that is a possibility.

 

[pxmyh]

Weird!

Ministerial Instructions for EE clearly state the following about Canadian work experience proving that the NOC doesn't matter.

Was your experience discontinuous? The rule for counting discontinuous experience came into force only on May 30th so that is a possibility.

Hi Asivad, the experience is continuous. My suspicion is that even NOC doesn't matter, I still have to list them in EE profile. I listed only 2147, not 2173. but I am not sure if that's the case.

 

[Asivad Anac]

Hi Asivad, the experience is continuous. My suspicion is that even NOC doesn't matter, I still have to list them in EE profile. I listed only 2147, not 2173. but I am not sure if that's the case.

1. You did mention all your experience in your work history without holding something back.
2. You did mention different NOCs for different periods.
3. Your overall work experience as per your MyCIC profile added up to at least 2 years.

All of the above are correct?

 

[gakki_prpr]

As far as I know, 2173 and 2174 are pretty close in description. And you should open a case specific query with CIC with a supporting letter of your recent job description. And perhaps an additional letter to inform CIC that you are in a rotation program. That's my thought.
I still don't understand why you did not include an official letter for your most recent position.