- Jun 13, 2012
- 953
- 29
- Category........
- Visa Office......
- Paris
- Job Offer........
- Pre-Assessed..
- App. Filed.......
- 01-05-2012
- AOR Received.
- none
- File Transfer...
- 01-08-2012
- Med's Done....
- 02-12-2011
- Interview........
- none
- Passport Req..
- 28-11-2012 (copy only)
- VISA ISSUED...
- 05-12-2012
- LANDED..........
- 15-12-2012
Hello,
We've just completed the sponsorship process, and I'd like to share our experience going through the Paris office. Much of what is below relates to the Mississauga office, and I hope it will be useful for some people.
My wife is a UK citizen, but we went through Paris because she resided in France at the time of the application. She landed on Saturday. I've put our timeline below.
Over all, our timeline was pretty long just for them to begin processing in Paris. It seems like an extra month or two compared to Saffy (application received April 19, sponsorship approved July 17, in process Sept. 17) and cdn1 (application received March 29, sponsorship approved July 3, in process Sept. 10), who are the only two recent Paris applicants I've been able to find here.
We're not sure what would explain this. It seems the application sat on agent MO's desk for a month and a half gathering dust. Or perhaps we included too many documents. As of November 23, all the fields in the GCMS notes except medical still said "not started." We emailed them in mid-November to ask about our status - I'd like to think they have a better system than waiting to be contacted before starting to process a file.
The GCMS notes mentioned on August 1, the date of the sponsorship approval, that there was no "CSC date" (client service commitment date) because the RPRF hadn't been paid - or so they believed - and because supposedly there was no visa office written on the IMM 1017 form. But by September, this shouldn't have been a problem any more. I wonder if not having a CSC date means you get lower priority, even if the problems leading to the lack of a CSC date are fixed in the meantime.
Here is our timeline.
2011/12/02: Medical exam.
2012/04/27: Mailed application to Mississauga.
2012/04/30: Application delivered (per Canada Post).
2012/05/01: Application received (per CIC).
2012/06/27: RPRF receipt sent to Mississauga by mail.
2012/07/03: RPRF receipt delivered to Mississauga (per Canada Post). Never processed; probably lost.
2012/07/31: Sponsorship file created (per GCMS notes).
2012/08/01: CIC starts processing sponsorship application (per eCAS).
2012/08/01: Sponsorship approval from CPP-Ottawa, by email.
2012/08/01: Medical passed (per GCMS).
2012/08/05-2012/08/13 (unknown date): eCAS shows "Application Received" and "Medical results have been received." (Not sure about the date as we weren't checking eCAS.)
2012/08/08: File transferred to Paris (per GCMS notes).
2012/08/14: File received in Paris (per GCMS notes).
2012/08/14: RPRF receipt faxed to Mississauga.
2012/09/07: RPRF receipt processed (per GCMS notes).
2012/09/13: Paris office receives 1344A and undertaking (per GCMS notes). The timing is probably related to the CSQ approval.
2012/10/12: Paper file transferred to agent MO in Paris (per GCMS notes).
2012/11/14: We send an email to Paris requesting an update on our status. No reply until 11/28 (see below).
2012/11/27: Paris starts processing application (per eCAS).
2012/11/28: Request for bio page of passport, by email.
2012/11/29: Bio page of passport submitted by email.
2012/11/30 (Friday): eCAS shows "In Process." - So eCAS isn't updated only on Tuesdays!
2012/12/01: Medical extension granted. (Based on content of COPR.)
2012/12/05: COPR issued.
2012/12/09 (Sunday): eCAS shows "Decision Made." A home address in Quebec is shown.
2012/12/11: COPR mailed from Paris embassy (postmark).
2012/12/14: COPR received at home.
2012/12/15: Landed.
Timeline for CSQ and Quebec undertaking:
2012/08/06: CSQ application and Quebec undertaking sent to MICC in Montreal.
2012/08/09: CSQ application delivered to MICC (per Canada Post)."
2012/09/10: CSQ issued.
2012/09/13: CSQ received by mail.
Timeline for GCMS notes:
2012/11/13: Application emailed to CIC.
2012/11/23: Notes pulled from system. (This was just before the real processing started in Paris.)
2012/12/13: Notes received by email.
We notified Mississauga of an address change in May. We couldn't do it online, because there was no eCAS file. We tried doing it by phone, which is what the instruction guide says you're supposed to do. But no call centre agent would accept it because processing hadn't begun yet on our file. So we sent a letter to Mississauga with the Canada Post tracking number of our package and the fee receipt number, which we thought would be enough for them to identify our application. We thought if we mailed it to them, they'd just have to deal with it. Instead, the letter was returned to us a month later with a form letter saying that we were supposed to make the change by phone or online, and informing us that "no record" had been kept of the address change. It's pretty much the bureaucratic equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming while someone is trying to tell you something.
In June we sent the RPRF payment to Mississauga by mail, since this was one of the things their form letter said they would accept, and because their website even gives an address to send RPRF receipts to. But this was before we had a file open in Mississauga, and it seems they lost it. In August, the call centre said to try again by fax once six weeks had gone by from the original letter. We did that, and the payment was entered into the system three weeks later, according to the GCMS notes. We realized the payment had to have been processed when the receipt number started working as identification on eCAS.
We notified Paris of the address change by email on August 15, and it was processed by them on August 31. They actually copied and pasted our whole email to them into the GCMS notes.
We also emailed Paris with sort of a complicated question. Namely, the application was delivered by Canada Post on April 30, but was recorded as received by CIC on May 1. My wife stopped residing in France exactly on April 30, so we were concerned that, because of the May 1 date, CIC might decide we were ineligible to apply through Paris and that they'd send our application to London, thus delaying it. On August 15, we asked Paris whether the visa office should be Paris or London in this situation. Our theory was that if it had to be London, it was better that they realize it immediately rather than when they started processing.
They obviously had problems with our English and replied as follows on August 23: "Dear Applicant, Please note that the application was recorded in our date base on May 1st, 2012. The average processing times mentioned on our website are from the date the application was received at CIC." This was followed by a link. (Somewhere on their website they say that 90% of queries they receive are for information already available on their website. I suppose they thought ours was another of these "dumb" questions, not considering that in this instance it might be their reply that was missing the point.) We were amused at the term "date base," thinking it was fitting since it's a data base with dates. We didn't bother asking them again, and just hoped for the best. Luckily, the application was processed in Paris in the event.
The medical extension processing must have been lightning fast, as it would have been requested on or after November 28, and was completed by December 1.
My wife landed at a land border crossing in Quebec, but for a while we thought she might be landing in Toronto. We were never able to figure out with certainty whether it was actually a requirement that she land in Quebec, although the CBSA officer who "landed" her - my wife and I had a laugh about this word - did ask to see her CSQ. Somebody at MICC told me there had been reports of people being denied entry if they landed in the wrong province. Before my wife landed, I called the CBSA to ask how they handle it. A guy there said it made no sense that a person should have a problem landing in any province, and that any problems had to come from the Quebec government, not the federal one. Then he gave me a lecture about how "Quebec thinks it's a nation", even talking about the long gun registry, which I thought was very unprofessional. (Some people in the rest of Canada seem to instinctively believe that we Quebec anglophones are going to be a receptive audience for that kind of crap. Sorry.) So I called CIC, and spoke to a woman who gave a very confusing answer that boiled down to the statement that non-Quebec immigrants could have trouble landing at a Quebec port of entry (God forbid they should have a connecting flight through Montreal - I guess CIC expects them to fly Beijing-Charlottetown direct), but that a Quebec immigrant could land elsewhere if necessary. She said she'd email me with a written reference, but she never did. I'm curious to find an official source on this topic. I'm fed up with call centre people who just guess.
We've just completed the sponsorship process, and I'd like to share our experience going through the Paris office. Much of what is below relates to the Mississauga office, and I hope it will be useful for some people.
My wife is a UK citizen, but we went through Paris because she resided in France at the time of the application. She landed on Saturday. I've put our timeline below.
Over all, our timeline was pretty long just for them to begin processing in Paris. It seems like an extra month or two compared to Saffy (application received April 19, sponsorship approved July 17, in process Sept. 17) and cdn1 (application received March 29, sponsorship approved July 3, in process Sept. 10), who are the only two recent Paris applicants I've been able to find here.
We're not sure what would explain this. It seems the application sat on agent MO's desk for a month and a half gathering dust. Or perhaps we included too many documents. As of November 23, all the fields in the GCMS notes except medical still said "not started." We emailed them in mid-November to ask about our status - I'd like to think they have a better system than waiting to be contacted before starting to process a file.
The GCMS notes mentioned on August 1, the date of the sponsorship approval, that there was no "CSC date" (client service commitment date) because the RPRF hadn't been paid - or so they believed - and because supposedly there was no visa office written on the IMM 1017 form. But by September, this shouldn't have been a problem any more. I wonder if not having a CSC date means you get lower priority, even if the problems leading to the lack of a CSC date are fixed in the meantime.
Here is our timeline.
2011/12/02: Medical exam.
2012/04/27: Mailed application to Mississauga.
2012/04/30: Application delivered (per Canada Post).
2012/05/01: Application received (per CIC).
2012/06/27: RPRF receipt sent to Mississauga by mail.
2012/07/03: RPRF receipt delivered to Mississauga (per Canada Post). Never processed; probably lost.
2012/07/31: Sponsorship file created (per GCMS notes).
2012/08/01: CIC starts processing sponsorship application (per eCAS).
2012/08/01: Sponsorship approval from CPP-Ottawa, by email.
2012/08/01: Medical passed (per GCMS).
2012/08/05-2012/08/13 (unknown date): eCAS shows "Application Received" and "Medical results have been received." (Not sure about the date as we weren't checking eCAS.)
2012/08/08: File transferred to Paris (per GCMS notes).
2012/08/14: File received in Paris (per GCMS notes).
2012/08/14: RPRF receipt faxed to Mississauga.
2012/09/07: RPRF receipt processed (per GCMS notes).
2012/09/13: Paris office receives 1344A and undertaking (per GCMS notes). The timing is probably related to the CSQ approval.
2012/10/12: Paper file transferred to agent MO in Paris (per GCMS notes).
2012/11/14: We send an email to Paris requesting an update on our status. No reply until 11/28 (see below).
2012/11/27: Paris starts processing application (per eCAS).
2012/11/28: Request for bio page of passport, by email.
2012/11/29: Bio page of passport submitted by email.
2012/11/30 (Friday): eCAS shows "In Process." - So eCAS isn't updated only on Tuesdays!
2012/12/01: Medical extension granted. (Based on content of COPR.)
2012/12/05: COPR issued.
2012/12/09 (Sunday): eCAS shows "Decision Made." A home address in Quebec is shown.
2012/12/11: COPR mailed from Paris embassy (postmark).
2012/12/14: COPR received at home.
2012/12/15: Landed.
Timeline for CSQ and Quebec undertaking:
2012/08/06: CSQ application and Quebec undertaking sent to MICC in Montreal.
2012/08/09: CSQ application delivered to MICC (per Canada Post)."
2012/09/10: CSQ issued.
2012/09/13: CSQ received by mail.
Timeline for GCMS notes:
2012/11/13: Application emailed to CIC.
2012/11/23: Notes pulled from system. (This was just before the real processing started in Paris.)
2012/12/13: Notes received by email.
We notified Mississauga of an address change in May. We couldn't do it online, because there was no eCAS file. We tried doing it by phone, which is what the instruction guide says you're supposed to do. But no call centre agent would accept it because processing hadn't begun yet on our file. So we sent a letter to Mississauga with the Canada Post tracking number of our package and the fee receipt number, which we thought would be enough for them to identify our application. We thought if we mailed it to them, they'd just have to deal with it. Instead, the letter was returned to us a month later with a form letter saying that we were supposed to make the change by phone or online, and informing us that "no record" had been kept of the address change. It's pretty much the bureaucratic equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming while someone is trying to tell you something.
In June we sent the RPRF payment to Mississauga by mail, since this was one of the things their form letter said they would accept, and because their website even gives an address to send RPRF receipts to. But this was before we had a file open in Mississauga, and it seems they lost it. In August, the call centre said to try again by fax once six weeks had gone by from the original letter. We did that, and the payment was entered into the system three weeks later, according to the GCMS notes. We realized the payment had to have been processed when the receipt number started working as identification on eCAS.
We notified Paris of the address change by email on August 15, and it was processed by them on August 31. They actually copied and pasted our whole email to them into the GCMS notes.
We also emailed Paris with sort of a complicated question. Namely, the application was delivered by Canada Post on April 30, but was recorded as received by CIC on May 1. My wife stopped residing in France exactly on April 30, so we were concerned that, because of the May 1 date, CIC might decide we were ineligible to apply through Paris and that they'd send our application to London, thus delaying it. On August 15, we asked Paris whether the visa office should be Paris or London in this situation. Our theory was that if it had to be London, it was better that they realize it immediately rather than when they started processing.
They obviously had problems with our English and replied as follows on August 23: "Dear Applicant, Please note that the application was recorded in our date base on May 1st, 2012. The average processing times mentioned on our website are from the date the application was received at CIC." This was followed by a link. (Somewhere on their website they say that 90% of queries they receive are for information already available on their website. I suppose they thought ours was another of these "dumb" questions, not considering that in this instance it might be their reply that was missing the point.) We were amused at the term "date base," thinking it was fitting since it's a data base with dates. We didn't bother asking them again, and just hoped for the best. Luckily, the application was processed in Paris in the event.
The medical extension processing must have been lightning fast, as it would have been requested on or after November 28, and was completed by December 1.
My wife landed at a land border crossing in Quebec, but for a while we thought she might be landing in Toronto. We were never able to figure out with certainty whether it was actually a requirement that she land in Quebec, although the CBSA officer who "landed" her - my wife and I had a laugh about this word - did ask to see her CSQ. Somebody at MICC told me there had been reports of people being denied entry if they landed in the wrong province. Before my wife landed, I called the CBSA to ask how they handle it. A guy there said it made no sense that a person should have a problem landing in any province, and that any problems had to come from the Quebec government, not the federal one. Then he gave me a lecture about how "Quebec thinks it's a nation", even talking about the long gun registry, which I thought was very unprofessional. (Some people in the rest of Canada seem to instinctively believe that we Quebec anglophones are going to be a receptive audience for that kind of crap. Sorry.) So I called CIC, and spoke to a woman who gave a very confusing answer that boiled down to the statement that non-Quebec immigrants could have trouble landing at a Quebec port of entry (God forbid they should have a connecting flight through Montreal - I guess CIC expects them to fly Beijing-Charlottetown direct), but that a Quebec immigrant could land elsewhere if necessary. She said she'd email me with a written reference, but she never did. I'm curious to find an official source on this topic. I'm fed up with call centre people who just guess.