OINP Application sent in November 2015

[PrettyCanada]

Canadian immigration was about fairness, equality and transparency. They made everyone go through IELTS, even applicants whose mother-tongue was English, so that everyone is at same footing.

Now, this prioritizing based on NOC or CEC or whatever is against this spirit of equality. If OINP wants to do prioritizing, they have all right to do it BUT first they need to OPENLY declare it.

They cannot sit on moral high grounds of equality, fairness and transparency and from the back door give priority based on their economic and political considerations.

It's UNFAIR to FSW outlands who are waiting since past one year thinking that they will get nomination in 90 days or processing will happen on First-Come-First-Serve basis as OINP trumpeted on it's site and in OINP manual.

Brother no offence with your opinion, and agreed to it up to certain extent. But CEC applicants are also waiting since long time like FSWs. They are giving priority to expiring WP regardless of FSW (if inland) or CEC, and it is already mentioned on their site. Many CEC applicants after expiry of WP, living on visitor visa (that means they can't work, their kids can't go to school and they don't get medical facilities which is awfully expensive in Canada).

Our frustration is justified, but in my humble opinion, we shouldn't get divided in CEC and FSW. It is sluggishness of OINP which is causing delay. Believe me, when we will get nominations, we all will thank OINP from core of our heart, forgetting what they have done to us .

Agree that OINP has clearly written FCFS policy, and they should stick to it with some genuine exceptions. Even for FSWs, there are many OCT 2015 candidates who haven't received nominations, while NOV 2015 FSW candidates have. This whole CEC and FSW controversy is unsavoury and unwanted.

Thanks.

 

[PrettyCanada]

The whole point is - nowhere has OINP mentioned CEC applicants will be given priority. Its fine if they choose to do that but a notification on their website would help. That's all I'm saying.

Correct Raj. But I don't see they are giving priority to CEC except WP expiring. Am I missing on some information?

 

[g126]

The whole point is - nowhere has OINP mentioned CEC applicants will be given priority. Its fine if they choose to do that but a notification on their website would help. That's all I'm saying.

You're correct.. but on the other hand it makes sense for them to select people who are already living and working in Ontario as they are already somewhat tied to Ontario and actively contributing to their economy. So I'm kind of reading between the lines here... It's not written but it's the most logical thing to do so they're probably doing it.

Think about it like this, you own a house and one of your tenants says he's leaving, you then look to the market for a new tenant... After interviewing three your current tenant says he's changed his mind and would like to stay, he is reliable (pays on time), already living there, a good tenant... So he's the obvious choice. Do you think it's unfair or illogical to discard the other potential candidates?

I guess what I saying is, I know this may be unfair to us fellow FSW folk who are waiting, but to everyone else is probably the most logical choice...

 

[DigitalDestiny]

Brother no offence with your opinion, and agreed to it up to certain extent. But CEC applicants are also waiting since long time like FSWs. They are giving priority to expiring WP regardless of FSW (if inland) or CEC, and it is already mentioned on their site. Many CEC applicants after expiry of WP, living on visitor visa (that means they can't work, their kids can't go to school and they don't get medical facilities which is awfully expensive in Canada).

Our frustration is justified, but in my humble opinion, we shouldn't get divided in CEC and FSW. It is sluggishness of OINP which is causing delay. Believe me, when we will get nominations, we all will thank OINP from core of our heart, forgetting what they have done to us .

Agree that OINP has clearly written FCFS policy, and they should stick to it with some genuine exceptions. Even for FSWs, there are many OCT 2015 candidates who haven't received nominations, while NOV 2015 FSW candidates have. This whole CEC and FSW controversy is unsavoury and unwanted.

Thanks.

Dear Friend, I agree. Everybody is tensed because of OINP. I wish, hope & pray that each one of us receives nomination before the end of 2016.

 

[Gagan89]

where does it says they are giving nominations to CEC now. I m CEC applicant waited more than 6 months to get AOR and now waiting from last 3 months for Nomination. Havn't received any call or request. Raj it doesn't make sense without any proof to say OPNP are giving nominations to CEC applicants now.

 

[DigitalDestiny]

You're correct.. but on the other hand it makes sense for them to select people who are already living and working in Ontario as they are already somewhat tied to Ontario and actively contributing to their economy. So I'm kind of reading between the lines here... It's not written but it's the most logical thing to do so they're probably doing it.


I guess what I saying is, I know this may be unfair to us fellow FSW folk who are waiting, but to everyone else is probably the most logical choice...

Dear @g126, governments don't work purely on logics, that's for businesses. Governments work on the basis of laws, rules, fairness and equality. Government has to extend service to eveyone, they cannot be focussed on serving only the (highest) tax payers .

If they change their rules, they have to openly announce.

 

[HopeForTheBest26]

where does it says they are giving nominations to CEC now. I m CEC applicant waited more than 6 months to get AOR and now waiting from last 3 months for Nomination. Havn't received any call or request. Raj it doesn't make sense without any proof to say OPNP are giving nominations to CEC applicants now.

Agree

 

[MZASAM]

Friends:

Irrespective of whether the application was submitted for CEC/FSW/Other stream, OINP must honor it's own application guide which was followed by all.

OINP must be fair and issue a notification to declare their decisions, priorities if any, instead of leaving the applicants guessing. It's unfair.

 

[rajkamalmohanram]

You're correct.. but on the other hand it makes sense for them to select people who are already living and working in Ontario as they are already somewhat tied to Ontario and actively contributing to their economy. So I'm kind of reading between the lines here... It's not written but it's the most logical thing to do so they're probably doing it.

Think about it like this, you own a house and one of your tenants says he's leaving, you then look to the market for a new tenant... After interviewing three your current tenant says he's changed his mind and would like to stay, he is reliable (pays on time), already living there, a good tenant... So he's the obvious choice. Do you think it's unfair or illogical to discard the other potential candidates?

I guess what I saying is, I know this may be unfair to us fellow FSW folk who are waiting, but to everyone else is probably the most logical choice...

where does it says they are giving nominations to CEC now. I m CEC applicant waited more than 6 months to get AOR and now waiting from last 3 months for Nomination. Havn't received any call or request. Raj it doesn't make sense without any proof to say OPNP are giving nominations to CEC applicants now.

Correct Raj. But I don't see they are giving priority to CEC except WP expiring. Am I missing on some information?

Doesn't work that way. That's exactly my point, you see. If they want to go down that "logical road", they must announce it first because such an option was never initially mentioned or the application guide hasn't been amended to accommodate such an option. I know what you are trying to tell - CEC applicants are already in Canada and they should get to get nomination first even before their FSW counterparts who have paid the same fee and are waiting since October 2015. No. Though I might agree with the "logic" in it, I can't say that is "okay" because this is not a free program. 1500 CAD is not a small sum. Everyone has paid it - FSW and CEC. Hence, they have an obligation to notify if they have changed their operating procedure. Without notification, such actions are "indecent" IMO.

Now, I know several CEC applicants have been waiting for a long time now. The reports on the Feb thread are those of applicants whose WPs were expiring in 2 months. If I recall correctly, 1 applicant got nominated though this WP was expiring in mid 2017. I didn't mean to point out that all CEC applicants are getting nominated quickly. The purpose of my last 2 posts is only to express one point. My only point was if OINP chooses to do that, they should put it up on their website and then proceed.

Good luck everyone!

 

[PrettyCanada]

Friends:

Irrespective of whether the application was submitted for CEC/FSW/Other stream, OINP must honor it's own application guide which was followed by all.

OINP must be fair and issue a notification to declare their decisions, priorities if any, instead of leaving the applicants guessing. It's unfair.

Correct. But OINP is not fair from day 1.

1. They rejected applications for trivial reasons, but they are sending mails to wrong id or provides wrong status over mail/phone calls.
2. It is because of delay from their side, people needed to send draft again. On the other hand, if somebody had missed draft in application package, they don't give chance to resubmit application.
3. There is no commitment from their side for timelines, but they rejected application which reached on 46th or even 45th day of PT notification.

"Ideally" they should be fair, but they are not. What can we do or what we have done or what are we going to do? Simply nothing!!!
We all have advised people for patience and positivity whose applications have got rejected, it is time for us now to be positive even after unjustice from OINP.

 

[patnikrishna]

just besides all these discussions, a 30 th Nov applicant from US ( FSW outland ) got a call from AB.
he was grilled about his intention to live in Ontario and Canada for that matter.
He was asked as to what's the surety ( mostly moral context ) that he'll not go back to US after getting his pr. ( in essence , why contribute to other country then Canada )
call was 20 mins long and still AB wasn't convinced.

 

[rajkamalmohanram]

just besides all these discussions, a 30 th Nov applicant from US ( FSW outland ) got a call from AB.
he was grilled about his intention to live in Ontario and Canada for that matter.
He was asked as to what's the surety ( mostly moral context ) that he'll not go back to US after getting his pr. ( in essence , why contribute to other country then Canada )
call was 20 mins long and still AB wasn't convinced.

Yup. The applicant was asked to submit proof of job search in Ontario. Common problem from someone applying from the US. Has happened before.

 

[PrettyCanada]

just besides all these discussions, a 30 th Nov applicant from US ( FSW outland ) got a call from AB.
he was grilled about his intention to live in Ontario and Canada for that matter.
He was asked as to what's the surety ( mostly moral context ) that he'll not go back to US after getting his pr. ( in essence , why contribute to other country then Canada )
call was 20 mins long and still AB wasn't convinced.

AB is like BOSS of Ontario..ha..ha...

 

[MZASAM]

Rajkamal

My only point was if OINP chooses to do that, they should put it up on their website and then proceed.

Exactly:

I wonder, the other provinces are nominating it's applicants, except OINP ( Few select NoM's only).

 

[manikmonday]

Re-posting this:

The last (July end 2016) I heard on my case from OINP was that my file was at second stage with an investigator analyst. My application was received on Nov 24th and AOR 17th March. Even after repeated calls and emails, I havent got any update on current status. Neither have I got an additional doc request or a call from Investigator Analyst. My NOC is 2171. Is there any conclusion that can be drawn that those Nov applicants who could have got a call have already received the phone call and rest of Nov applicants may not get a call ?