Newborn Citizenship

[canadian1977]

Hello everyone;

I got my Canadian citizenship in 2005 then I moved to a country in the middle east. In 2007 I got married to my first wife, and in 2010 she gave birth to my only son. I got him the Canadian citizenship/passport via the Canadian embassy in that country (No Problem).

In 2013 I moved to to another middle east country and got married to my second wife, and now she's pregnant with my baby (entering her 4th month).

My concern is regarding my newborn (from my second wife). Am I going to be able to grant him the Canadian citizenship via the Canadian embassy just like I did for my first son (from my first wife who I'm still married to) ?

PS: Neither my first or second wife has intention to immigrate to Canada or apply for the Canadian citizenship, and I'm not willing to sponsor neither my first or second wife in the future.

Thank you..

 

[cecapplied]

while i do not have a response to your question, How are married to two women at the same time ?

 

[polara69]

while i do not have a response to your question, How are married to two women at the same time ?

Countries in black allowing more than one wife..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy#/media/File:Legality_of_polygamy.png

 

[cecapplied]

Canada falls in the category "Polygamy fully outlawed and abolished and its practice fully criminalised" this would apply to individuals who are bound by the laws of canada. if OP is residing elsewhere having travelled on a canadian citizenship and passport, and is wishing to use that for procuring citizenship on that basis, should he not be bound by the same laws ? again this is my question, i am not an expert in the area.

however OPs question is interesting, and while i do not understand his perspectives, this is the reason why i support the C-24

 

[meyakanor]

Canada will not recognize his second marriage, but if he can prove that the child from the second wife is his, then the child too is a citizen by birth (since the OP is a naturalized Canadian).

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?q=365&t=5

 

[polara69]

Canada falls in the category "Polygamy fully outlawed and abolished and its practice fully criminalised" this would apply to individuals who are bound by the laws of canada. if OP is residing elsewhere having travelled on a canadian citizenship and passport, and is wishing to use that for procuring citizenship on that basis, should he not be bound by the same laws ? again this is my question, i am not an expert in the area.

however OPs question is interesting, and while i do not understand his perspectives, this is the reason why i support the C-24

Apologies, did overlook he is Canadian. In that case I think he is committing polygamy, which is obviously prohibited in Canada. C-24 has its merits, agreed.

 

[canadian1977]

We agree that I committed polygamy, and we agree that it's prohibited IN CANADA and allowed in some other countries. I did NOT commit polygamy IN CANADA, for both of my marriages took place in the middle east.

My question is about my child who will be born in six months from my second wife. Is he going to be eligible for Canadian citizenship when I apply for him at the Canadian embassy in the country I'm residing in ?

meyakanor said that Canada will not recognize my second marriage BUT my child will be Canadian if I was able to prove that I'm his biological father (which I can because my name and my second wife's name will be on his birth certificate).

Can I get a second or a third opinion please ? (preferably from someone professional and experienced in these matters)

 

[Empirical-Scientist]

We agree that I committed polygamy, and we agree that it's prohibited IN CANADA and allowed in some other countries. I did NOT commit polygamy IN CANADA, for both of my marriages took place in the middle east.

My question is about my child who will be born in six months from my second wife. Is he going to be eligible for Canadian citizenship when I apply for him at the Canadian embassy in the country I'm residing in ?

meyakanor said that Canada will not recognize my second marriage BUT my child will be Canadian if I was able to prove that I'm his biological father (which I can because my name and my second wife's name will be on his birth certificate).

Can I get a second or a third opinion please ? (preferably from someone professional and experienced in these matters)

Technically it's polygyny, not acceptable in Canada. But, if you could demonstrate that any creature is your child, you might have legal grounds for their citizenship. You should consult a lawyer to validate such claims as it's a grey area.

 

[cecapplied]

I agree with emperical scientist. you will need to consult a lawyer to find the best course of action. we can just post our opinions here and hope you take it in that spirit...

Per the oath of citizenship :

I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.

even though you are in a place where it is allowed, in the oatch of citizenship, you had agreed to observe the laws of canada - being a canadian.

if you say that you are in different country and you are exercising the rights of that country to observe polygamy, by the same state of argument, you cannot then claim canadian citizenship to request a citizensip for your child.

We agree that I committed polygamy, and we agree that it's prohibited IN CANADA and allowed in some other countries. I did NOT commit polygamy IN CANADA, for both of my marriages took place in the middle east.

My question is about my child who will be born in six months from my second wife. Is he going to be eligible for Canadian citizenship when I apply for him at the Canadian embassy in the country I'm residing in ?

meyakanor said that Canada will not recognize my second marriage BUT my child will be Canadian if I was able to prove that I'm his biological father (which I can because my name and my second wife's name will be on his birth certificate).

Can I get a second or a third opinion please ? (preferably from someone professional and experienced in these matters)

 

[alphazip]

We agree that I committed polygamy, and we agree that it's prohibited IN CANADA and allowed in some other countries. I did NOT commit polygamy IN CANADA, for both of my marriages took place in the middle east.

My question is about my child who will be born in six months from my second wife. Is he going to be eligible for Canadian citizenship when I apply for him at the Canadian embassy in the country I'm residing in ?

meyakanor said that Canada will not recognize my second marriage BUT my child will be Canadian if I was able to prove that I'm his biological father (which I can because my name and my second wife's name will be on his birth certificate).

Can I get a second or a third opinion please ? (preferably from someone professional and experienced in these matters)

Although the marriage itself would not be recognized, the child of a Canadian, even if the parents are not married, is a Canadian citizen. In this case, if the father's name is on the birth certificate, that should be sufficient. (In fact, how would CIC even know there are two wives? Marriage certificates don't have to be produced, just a birth certificate. As far as the embassy knows, you could be divorced from wife #1.) If there's doubt about parentage, a DNA test could be required.

 

[alphazip]

I agree with emperical scientist. you will need to consult a lawyer to find the best course of action. we can just post our opinions here and hope you take it in that spirit...

Per the oath of citizenship :

I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.

even though you are in a place where it is allowed, in the oatch of citizenship, you had agreed to observe the laws of canada - being a canadian.

if you say that you are in different country and you are exercising the rights of that country to observe polygamy, by the same state of argument, you cannot then claim canadian citizenship to request a citizensip for your child.

This isn't pertinent. He's not asking whether he can return to Canada with wife number 2, he's asking if the child of a Canadian citizen is Canadian, and the answer is yes.

 

[canadian1977]

(In fact, how would CIC even know there are two wives? Marriage certificates don't have to be produced, just a birth certificate. As far as the embassy knows, you could be divorced from wife #1.)

If this is the application I have to submit to the embassy:
cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/citizen/CIT0001E.pdf

Then there's a section numbered 8a that asks about the parents, and in this section it asks about the country you got married in and the date of marriage. Now since I've done this before with my first born (from my first wife), they would simply know that this is a second marriage, wouldn't they ?

Can't they ask me then to prove that I divorced my first wife before I married my second wife ?

 

[alphazip]

If this is the application I have to submit to the embassy:
cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/citizen/CIT0001E.pdf

Then there's a section numbered 8a that asks about the parents, and in this section it asks about the country you got married in and the date of marriage. Now since I've done this before with my first born (from my first wife), they would simply know that this is a second marriage, wouldn't they ?

Can't they ask me then to prove that I divorced my first wife before I married my second wife ?

I don't know how well you're acquainted with the embassy personnel. Of course, if they know you well, or compare your previous application to this one, they would know that you have a previous wife. Whether you are divorced, or your first wife died, is not really any of their business (it's not their job to uncover polygamists), though I don't know if they'll ask. In any case, just enter the correct information on the form. If you are the biological father of the child, the child will be Canadian.

 

[dav3000]

While the marriage to your second wife will not be valid in Canada, the child is Canadian since you are Canadian. As others have mentioned, you'll need to consult a lawyer on this one.

 

[OP_POP]

Exactly for cases like this we have C-24 which I fully support. I really don't think Canada needs citizens like this guy (or even his kids).