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Applicants in 2015 (and most definitely thereafter - 2016 and later ) will most likely fall under the new law - that is a given - provided, of course, that the Bill is passed without any snags this year and becomes effective at some point during the year and is then given Royal Assent to become effective on some future starting date.
 

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You reminded me when I went on Ste-Catherine about 8 years ago with my friend to the army recruitment office. I was introduced to the General and he was talking about how great it is to join the military. He mentioned that one of the main requirements is to be a Canadian citizen and so forth. We spent like 15 minutes with him before he had known that we're not even citizens. The anger on his face was unbelievable. Not sure if the requirements have changed since.

MasterGeek said:
Why does CIC keep promoting that PRs who serve in the Canadian Armed Forces can have their residency requirements reduced by one year under the new bill ??

I thought permanent residents cannot join the military, or only under rare exceptional circumstances.

This sounds and looks like smoke and mirrors
 

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farrous13 said:
You reminded me when I went on Ste-Catherine about 8 years ago with my friend to the army recruitment office. I was introduced to the General and he was talking about how great it is to join the military. He mentioned that one of the main requirements is to be a Canadian citizen and so forth. We spent like 15 minutes with him before he had known that we're not even citizens. The anger on his face was unbelievable. Not sure if the requirements have changed since.
They will take PRs in jobs that are difficult to fill.
 

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Don`t worry people, my close friend is an MP and it was obvious to her that this Bill will not be effective before 2015. Then take your time and enjoy your life. You can have my word on that.
 

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Canada's proposed new Citizenship Act reeks of mistrust. There's no other way to put it. It's an insult to many of the seven million foreign-born people who have settled here, a fifth of the population, and to many of the 250,000 who will arrive this year. Parliament should call the governing Conservatives on this before they ram it into law.
In typical fashion for Prime Minister Stephen Harper's law-and-order obsessed government, the laws promise to “protect the value of Canadian citizenship” by cracking down on problems that largely don't exist. The vast majority of new Canadians are loyal, honest, law-abiding citizens. They have contributed enormously to the building-up of this nation. But you wouldn't know it to judge from the unwelcome mat rolled out this week by Citizenship and Immigration Minister Chris Alexander. It's all about cracking down on the marginal few who turn out to be treasonous, terrorists, criminals or fraudsters, and raising the bar for everyone else.
At its worst the new law devalues the citizenship of hundreds of thousands of Canadians who hold dual citizenships. Canadians who commit treason by making war on this country already face life in prison; so do those who commit terrorism or espionage. That's as it should be. But the new law would go a step further and strip Canadian citizenship from dual citizens who commit such crimes. Why? They're Canadians, after all. Citizenship is a fundamental status, not something that people have to “deserve” in the government's eyes.
As the Star has argued before, this discriminatory measure creates two categories of citizenship and disenfranchises naturalized citizens. It may well be unconstitutional. What's next? Will Ottawa one day be trying to strip citizenship from other classes of criminals? Where does it end?
The opposition New Democrats and Liberals should call out the government on this measure, and demand that it be scrapped. The parliamentary record should note that it faced fierce resistance.
Other aspects of the law, while less objectionable, still raise concern.
The new rules would give Alexander and his successors greater unilateral power to grant and revoke citizenships. That power now resides with the federal cabinet. How sturdy is our citizenship if one minister alone can snuff it out?
Moreover, in future Canadian citizenship can be denied not only to people who pose a threat to this country, or who have posed one in the past, but also to those who may pose one in future. That could be invoked to refuse just about any applicant. How does Ottawa intend to justify such a crystal-ball presumption of guilt?
Going forward people charged with or convicted of serious crimes abroad would automatically be denied citizenship. While that might make sense for an American who is serving time for treason or terrorism, it would also apply to people convicted of offences in places where the courts may be politicized or corrupt and the laws unjust. Plenty of Canadians have been railroaded by unjust foreign courts. Would the “ministerial waiver” that Ottawa has in such cases be applied liberally or stingily?
Ottawa has also raised the bar to citizenship by making permanent residents wait longer before they can apply for citizenship, by cranking up processing fees, and by requiring more applicants to pass language and knowledge tests. If there's some pressing need to make it harder to obtain citizenship it's hard to see.
The new laws aren't all bad. They rightly put Canadian military personnel who are permanent residents but not citizens on the fast track to full citizenship. They extend citizenship to the so-called “lost Canadians” who were wrongly denied it, including some war brides and their children. There's a welcome crackdown on fraud, whether by citizenship consultants or applicants. And to combat passports of convenience permanent residents will have to physically reside here longer before getting citizenship, and file taxes.
Still, the thrust of the new Citizenship Act is that newcomers should be viewed through a prism of suspicion, and that the bar should be higher. That's discouraging. Absent a wave of treasonous, criminal fraudsters, the Harper government is “fixing” a problem that exists chiefly in its own mind.

source: thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2014/02/07/
 

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SubZero_2 said:
Don`t worry people, my close friend is an MP and it was obvious to her that this Bill will not be effective before 2015. Then take your time and enjoy your life. You can have my word on that.
Thanks Subzero ! We will take your word for it....

that input was definitely reassuring and moved the temperature up from "subzero" for sure ! Thanks ! :D
 

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SubZero_2 said:
Don`t worry people, my close friend is an MP and it was obvious to her that this Bill will not be effective before 2015. Then take your time and enjoy your life. You can have my word on that.
Thanks!! a lot Subzero. Do you think it will be effective by 2015 april or after april 2015 Subzero. Just your guess on about it

Thanks !! :D
 

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turboracer said:
Thanks!! a lot Subzero. Do you think it will be effective by 2015 april or after april 2015 Subzero. Just your guess on about it

Thanks !! :D
It is very hard to speculate at this stage. It all depends on current Govt. intention and mindset. There is many sign that the govt will try to impose the bill end of 2014 or early 2015. However, in spite of govt willingness to enforce the new law as soon as they can, governor council may decide to set an effective date. It could be consideration of present PR who will be completing their 1095 days when the bill will be passed in both house.
 

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So looks like there is a general consensus here that bill wont pass before end of april.. ;D .. That is the time I have to apply.. ;D
 

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sinpguy said:
So looks like there is a general consensus here that bill wont pass before end of april.. ;D .. That is the time I have to apply.. ;D
Is that all you care about?
 

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No.. I hope it doesn't pass with current changes.. But its not in my hand apparently...
 

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May I ask why you don't see the bill passing the Senate before the summer recess? I have to ask because if it only takes two months for it to pass the House, why wouldn't three months be enough time for it to pass the Senate? It is the same steps, and this is a Conservatives' bill and they do have the majority, which means control over the agenda.

I think there's a very good chance the bill will pass before the summer recess, even if just before the start of the recess. I'm just not sure how long it takes for Royal assent at that point. Does it have to wait the entire summer or is the Governor-in-Council summer schedule different from the Parliament's?

In any case, I'm hoping that the Governor-in-Council gives the bill a full year to take effect, as was the case with the last bill C-37.
The Senate like most upper chambers around the world, like to take their time with things. Plus, it will have to be fit into the schedule unless the Govt want to appear to be ramming the bill through Parliament. The Governor-in-Council process is a mere formality, so it is up to Harper how fast or slow THAT part of the process takes and what implementation instructions are provided.
 

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PMM said:
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They will take PRs in jobs that are difficult to fill.

I tried to join the army in 2011. They told me they'd be happy to take me but they can't take PRs. Told me to wait for the citizenship.