New Citizenship Bill Thursday Feb 6th

[marcus66502]

Yes, because handing out RQ''s mindlessly and keeping an application in process for years is the true Canadian way of life. Charging money for the services and holding upto eternity is the true Canadian way. I personally know native Canadians who are facing troubles by being attached to some non Canadian and are being choked because of this broken system. BTW who are native Canadians ? at some point or somehow all are connected to immigration. Well i'am just trying to speak my mind out and you are doing your duty to bow to your master.

You can speak your mind but stay on topic. Don't veer off into a discussion about who's a native Canadian when we're discussing the viability of exit controls (ironically, you ask who are the native Canadians after stating that you personally know native Canadians). You damn well know who I'm referring to when I use the phrase 'native Canadians': the people who were born in Canada. Unlike you and I, these people didn't grow up with exit controls, have an anti-government mentality, and will find the idea of exit controls laughable. They won't understand. Moreover, when they realize that it's being proposed by people who just want to trim a few months off their citizenship application waiting times, they'll see your proposal for what it is: a self-serving idea that benefits nobody else.

I'm not bowing to any master. I'm speaking my mind as well. I too often though, find that arguments are really not about winning on logical merits but rather about leaving the last word in. To that effect, people will usually veer off into off-topic tangents when they've run out of logical support. And that's fine. You can have the last word on this because I'm about done arguing with you. It's pointless to argue with you because you don't care to listen except to the voices in your head maybe.

 

[harry_aussie]

The time period here in question is not few months but years. I was not the one who started bragging about "Native Canadians" and everyone knows who really they are. Now i 'am not the only one going to benifit from all this, around hundreds of thousands of future Citizens will and also the Canadians who are somehow attached to an immigrant. I 'am not at all against the government and this law, but just this clause hurts and sounds to be in contradiction to the Ministers statements.You really don't have anything constructive to offer other then saying "yes sir" to your master and see who is verring off the topic all the time and has nothing else other than just one line to stick to.

Thank you so much Marcus for the time you have invested in having a chat with me. I would love to stop arguing with you on this. Have a good day !

 

[ramsfe]

NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE MAKING IT HARDER TO BECOME CANADIAN!!!!!!!!!!
8) ;D

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/canadians-install-passportactivated-beer-fridge-at-sochi-9123337.html

 

[txboyscout]

i am still confused that i had mailed my application on 10 feb 2014 what ever date the bill c24 get approved it will be from 6th feb or the day it takes final shape

For everyone it will be effective from the date it is published in the Canadian Gazette

Parliament will pass a speical ammendment to make it effective Feb 6, 2014 for your application, only

 

[txboyscout]

NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE MAKING IT HARDER TO BECOME CANADIAN!!!!!!!!!!
8) ;D

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/canadians-install-passportactivated-beer-fridge-at-sochi-9123337.html

Finally, the truth comes out ;D

 

[Beakster]

Canadianized?? What the hell does that even mean?

The following is a quote from Justice Francis Muldoon from a case in 1993 whereby an applicant was denied Citizenship because they only had 357 of the required 1,095 days of physical presence. It refers to the time required to become “Canadianized” and if this can be used to explain why a person should not become a citizen of Canada, it serves to prove our point: That someone who has been living here legally should be considered eligible for citizenship after 1,095 days of physical presence regardless of when their Permanent Resident status was granted.

It is clear that the purpose of paragraph 5(1)(c) is to ensure that everyone who is granted precious Canadian citizenship has become, or at least has been compulsorily presented with the everyday opportunity to become “Canadianized.” This happens by “rubbing elbows” with Canadians in shopping malls, corner stores, libraries, concert halls, auto repair shops, pubs, cabarets, elevators, churches, synagogues, mosques and temples – in a word wherever one can meet and converse with Canadians – during the prescribed three years. One can observe Canadian society for all its virtues, decadence, values, dangers and freedoms, just as it is. That is little enough time in which to become Canadianized. If a citizenship candidate misses that qualifying experience, then Canadian citizenship can be conferred, in effect, on a person who is still a foreigner in experience, social adaptation, and often in thought and outlook... So those who would throw in their lot with Canadians by becoming citizens must first throw in their lot with Canadians by residing among Canadians, in Canada, during three of the preceding four years, in order to Canadianize themselves. It is not something one can do while abroad, for Canadian life and society exist only in Canada and nowhere else.

This will be my last post on the matter as I feel posting on this forum is a waste of time for this topic. All of my futher efforts will now be spent writing letters to Members of Parliament and to those in the Senate asking them to argue to have the "since becoming a Permanent Resident" clause removed from the bill.

Please check my website: http://citizenshipact.ca for updates.

 

[harry_aussie]

Beakster you didn't mention anything about the new proposed law, which is worse then the previous law. Please update that too in your website.

 

[sashali78]

The following is a quote from Justice Francis Muldoon from a case in 1993 whereby an applicant was denied Citizenship because they only had 357 of the required 1,095 days of physical presence. It refers to the time required to become “Canadianized” and if this can be used to explain why a person should not become a citizen of Canada, it serves to prove our point: That someone who has been living here legally should be considered eligible for citizenship after 1,095 days of physical presence regardless of when their Permanent Resident status was granted.


This will be my last post on the matter as I feel posting on this forum is a waste of time for this topic. All of my futher efforts will now be spent writing letters to Members of Parliament and to those in the Senate asking them to argue to have the "since becoming a Permanent Resident" clause removed from the bill.

Please check my website: http://citizenshipact.ca for updates.

It is great you are opening a website for the cause but it is a bit strange that you didn't put our petition page which talks exactly about the 5th amendment on your website...I hope you will do so soon and also sign up as a volunteer to help drive our cause at FightTheBillC24@outlook.com:
http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/canada-parliament-do-not-allow-discrimination-of-former-foreign-workers-and-students-by-new-canadian-citizenship-bill-c-24

 

[Beakster]

It is great you are opening a website for the cause but it is a bit strange that you didn't put our petition page which talks exactly about the 5th amendment on your website

Beakster you didn't mention anything about the new proposed law, which is worse then the previous law. Please update that too in your website.

This website was set up a year ago. I will update it to include the petition and also the information regarding Bill C-24.

 

[soroosh707]

I wonder if this bill will become law ?Hi
06/16/2011 I came to Canada. When can I apply for citizenship? how a bout for new law?

 

[dandash]

2nd reading is on FEB 27
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[margobear96]

We can agree that this isn't fair, all day and all night long. None of it changes anything. All we have is opinions. In my opinion citizenship should be elevated to a privilege instead of a right, and it should come with responsibilities. I also think that no-one should be awarded citizenship automatically just by being born in Canada because this is an abuse of the power of law and it 'cheapens' the privilege of citizenship. Quite frankly, if it were up to me, I would force the Canadian-born population to take a citizenship-and-language test every 10 years where they would have to prove their knowledge of Canada and one of its official languages. Those who fail at any time, would have their citizenship revoked until the next time they take the test (10 years later). In particular, Canadian passports for these people should expire the next date they're scheduled to take a test, and there would be no renewal of passports until they pass the test. Does that sound good? ;D

I agree with the bolded, but instead of a weird testing regime would propose mandatory military service for all citizens (there would be an exemption for the elderly or some sort of substitute community service requirement). Several European and Asian countries already have this. It would also make Canada significantly less attractive to the "passport of convenience/backdoor into the US" category of immigrants and those who come here to have their anchor babies. BTW, as a US citizen, I think it would be a good idea for the US as well -- might really cut down on our stupid preemptive war-making.

As for the proposed bill, I don't personally object to any of it even if it delays when I become eligible. I'm not going anywhere. The current citizenship requirements are laughably lax and the proposals only seem to bring it in line with the US requirements. The intent to reside provision does seem off to me, but as others pointed out may just be analogous to the PNP intent to reside...that is to say, a formality only.

 

[Sophie_Anne]

How do you know the 2nd reading will be on Feb 27th?
Thanks

 

[marcus66502]

I agree with the bolded, but instead of a weird testing regime would propose mandatory military service for all citizens (there would be an exemption for the elderly or some sort of substitute community service requirement). Several European and Asian countries already have this. It would also make Canada significantly less attractive to the "passport of convenience/backdoor into the US" category of immigrants and those who come here to have their anchor babies. BTW, as a US citizen, I think it would be a good idea for the US as well -- might really cut down on our stupid preemptive war-making.

As for the proposed bill, I don't personally object to any of it even if it delays when I become eligible. I'm not going anywhere. The current citizenship requirements are laughably lax and the proposals only seem to bring it in line with the US requirements. The intent to reside provision does seem off to me, but as others pointed out may just be analogous to the PNP intent to reside...that is to say, a formality only.

Military draft won't be popular. The mere fact that other countries have it doesn't make it the best policy. What you'll get is people moving overseas to avoid it, much like they left the US and went to Canada in the late 1960s.

Also, I wanted to clarify this huge misconception that a Canadian passport is a backdoor to the US. It's absolutely not true. The only advantage you'd have as a Canadian citizen is the ability to make use of 1-year temporary work permits under the NAFTA agreement. These permits can be renewed but this is still officially a temporary status. As far as permanent residence, there is no special provision in US immigration law for Canadians. They must legally qualify for it in the same manner as any other nationality.

That means as a Canadian you are no closer to permanent residence in the US than someone from Timbuktu. In fact, one could say as a Canadian you have fewer options to immigrate to the US than other nationalities. You can't make an asylum claim because no one would believe your claim, and you sure as hell can't enter the Diversity Visa lottery because Canada regularly makes the list of countries that don't qualify for it.

 

[rayman_m]

2nd reading is on FEB 27
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I just checked parliament website and could not find anything on 2nd reading process.. Where did you find the 2nd reading date is Feb 27? Other forum also having intense discussion and comments on this bill. On fast track process, this bill may likely be a law early Fall but given the nature of legislative process the bill could be adopted before Dec 2014..

http://www.parl.gc.ca/LEGISInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=6401990

I will be applying in June 20, 2014 and anxiously following this bill...