New Citizenship Bill Thursday Feb 6th

[marcus66502]

Unfair because the whole idea of the waiting period before you can apply is to become "Canadianized", a process which does not happen any faster after you are given a PR card.

Canadianized?? What the hell does that even mean? Read one of my earlier posts. How Canadianized you are has nothing to do with citizenship. Forget for a moment that the 'typical' immigrant you're bound to meet on the street or a fast-food restaurant makes no attempt to assimilate. You have Canadian-born people who dress and live as if they were in the Middle East. Yes, I've seen such people personally. Just go to the McDonalds on Rexdale Street in Etobicoke, Ontario and you'll see Canadian-born school girls, covered in arab-style sheets head-to-toe except for the eyes. They were Canadian-born because they had no accent. Yet other Canadian-born people can't speak English properly or write decently, not to mention they don't have a clue about basic facts on Canada or its form of Government. Yet these people are Canadian citizens just by being born in Canada, because THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS. Fair or not, that's the end of discussion. The law is where the power is, not people's opinions.

We can agree that this isn't fair, all day and all night long. None of it changes anything. All we have is opinions. In my opinion citizenship should be elevated to a privilege instead of a right, and it should come with responsibilities. I also think that no-one should be awarded citizenship automatically just by being born in Canada because this is an abuse of the power of law and it 'cheapens' the privilege of citizenship. Quite frankly, if it were up to me, I would force the Canadian-born population to take a citizenship-and-language test every 10 years where they would have to prove their knowledge of Canada and one of its official languages. Those who fail at any time, would have their citizenship revoked until the next time they take the test (10 years later). In particular, Canadian passports for these people should expire the next date they're scheduled to take a test, and there would be no renewal of passports until they pass the test. Does that sound good? ;D

 

[zardoz]

"Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter."

 

[Iftikhar123]

i am still confused that i had mailed my application on 10 feb 2014 what ever date the bill c24 get approved it will be from 6th feb or the day it takes final shape

 

[scylla]

i am still confused that i had mailed my application on 10 feb 2014 what ever date the bill c24 get approved it will be from 6th feb or the day it takes final shape

Already answered multiple times here in your other thread:

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/new-bill-t184809.0.html;msg2895677#msg2895677

 

[YorkFactory]

Since Canada apart from the United States Canada has no land borders . . . and Canada has access to U.S. border information . . . and flight manifests . . . there is no practical difference between it and Australia.

It's not clear to me that Canada has access to U.S. border information going back much before 2013.

It's also not clear that they will be able to automatically match up all your entries and exits, so they might assume that you left Canada for the U.S. on the wrong date. My requests under the Privacy Act indicate that CBSA is not entirely consistent with which document they scan into the system (sometimes your PR card, sometimes your passport), and there are times I've entered Canada (all of them before I became a PR, thankfully) that don't show up in CBSA's records at all.

 

[harry_aussie]

The problem here is Canada's broken system to process any kind of application, be it immigration or Citizenship. Until unless this crap gets fixed, Canada can't free itself from the burden of backlogs. Oh! Well Canada has a easy way out too, that is passing laws like elimination of backlogs and strengthening of Citizenship. Why not use some brains and keep things or say application process simple eh!.

 

[IBMER]

Quite inquisitively, how could a country keep a tab on when a foreigner (or for that matter its citizen) left its soil? The I-94 concept that the US had is not fool proof either. One would have actually left the US but would be treated as 'still in the country' if s/he failed to return the I-94.
But for Canada I always wonder how could anybody's exit from the country be recorded. Does anyone know how?

 

[YorkFactory]

But for Canada I always wonder how could anybody's exit from the country be recorded. Does anyone know how?

If you leave by land or sea and travel to the U.S., that information will now be shared with Canada. CBSA has access to passenger manifests for any international flight leaving from or arriving in Canada. There aren't many other ways to leave Canada.

 

[harry_aussie]

Why not just start stamping passports on exit and enter the same in computers. This will save lot of time and hassles that are common now.

 

[Swede]

Canadianized?? What the hell does that even mean? Read one of my earlier posts. How Canadianized you are has nothing to do with citizenship. Forget for a moment that the 'typical' immigrant you're bound to meet on the street or a fast-food restaurant makes no attempt to assimilate. You have Canadian-born people who dress and live as if they were in the Middle East. Yes, I've seen such people personally. Just go to the McDonalds on Rexdale Street in Etobicoke, Ontario and you'll see Canadian-born school girls, covered in arab-style sheets head-to-toe except for the eyes. They were Canadian-born because they had no accent. Yet other Canadian-born people can't speak English properly or write decently, not to mention they don't have a clue about basic facts on Canada or its form of Government. Yet these people are Canadian citizens just by being born in Canada, because THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS. Fair or not, that's the end of discussion. The law is where the power is, not people's opinions.

Although I agree that there is a severe deficit in the knowledge many young Canadians display about their own country, this is hardly unique to Canada, and I hardly think that we should resort to some kind of lowest common denominator with regards to the knowledge citizenship applicants are expected to have about their new county. It is vital that the populace in any democracy is knowledgeable about how society works and what the important issues are. Ignorance and complacency are the greatest threat to an open and free society.

Instead of complaining about born Canadians being bad citizens, be a better one yourself!

We can agree that this isn't fair, all day and all night long. None of it changes anything. All we have is opinions. In my opinion citizenship should be elevated to a privilege instead of a right, and it should come with responsibilities. I also think that no-one should be awarded citizenship automatically just by being born in Canada because this is an abuse of the power of law and it 'cheapens' the privilege of citizenship. Quite frankly, if it were up to me, I would force the Canadian-born population to take a citizenship-and-language test every 10 years where they would have to prove their knowledge of Canada and one of its official languages. Those who fail at any time, would have their citizenship revoked until the next time they take the test (10 years later). In particular, Canadian passports for these people should expire the next date they're scheduled to take a test, and there would be no renewal of passports until they pass the test. Does that sound good? ;D

Oy vey...

 

[marcus66502]

Why not just start stamping passports on exit and enter the same in computers. This will save lot of time and hassles that are common now.

That's easier said than done! It would mean building exit booths at land border points of entry and then spending money on staff to man those booths. Similarly, they'd have to add the expense of extra staff at airports. This would essentially double their border staff expenses, something which the government is not prepared to embark on. As far they are concerned, it's a lot of expense and bureaucracy, and all for what? Because people like you want to have an easier time when they get citizenship. I realize that in Australia this cost was incorporated into the government expenses a long time ago and for Aussies this sort of red tape is a way of life, but here in North America it won't pass the laughing test, MATE.

And I'm sure the people like you who argue for this nonsense red tape will be the among those that will voice frustration at airports and land border ports when they have to wait long lines to get their passports stamped with exit stamps, after they've obtained citizenship. I've always found that no matter what the issue and no matter what they say, people always argue for their own self-interest. It's really about which side of the fence you're on.

 

[vic48912]

Quite frankly, if it were up to me, I would force the Canadian-born population to take a citizenship-and-language test every 10 years where they would have to prove their knowledge of Canada and one of its official languages. Those who fail at any time, would have their citizenship revoked until the next time they take the test (10 years later). In particular, Canadian passports for these people should expire the next date they're scheduled to take a test, and there would be no renewal of passports until they pass the test. Does that sound good? ;D

You kidding me! Who gonna vote for the party that propose such law...be real! Hello birth right??!?

 

[harry_aussie]

Marcus could you please explain what is red tapism in the case of having exit stamps ?. Well all this is supposed to be done to make system better, so that people don't need to send $hit load of documents to prove anything nonsense. I know you don't want to oppose any change because you consider yourself too lucky to be in Canada that anything nonsense Canada does, you just seem to turn a blind eye to it. Well the point is just not about exit stamps the gist is that the system needs to have better record keeping procedures so that no one is at a disadvantage. I think you fail to understand this and just keep on carrying about justifying the senseless, well i still don't say you are wrong because the opinion is yours and you are more than free to share your piece of mind.

red-tapeism, red-tapismthe practice of requiring excessive paperwork and tedious procedures before official action can be considered or completed. Also called red-tapery. — red-tapist n. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/red-tapism

Red tapism is what actually Canada has created and also trying to jump more into it. RQ is a perfect example of it and this crap can easily be eliminated by taking simple measures like exit stamps. Now don't say that Canada can not afford to employ say a work force of 1000 people to make lives of its Citizens or would be Citizens better. Being customers of CIC we do expect a good and timely customer service and on top of that things are not showered on us for free, we do pay for the services availed through fee and taxes. I have been out of Sydney International Airport many times and on different days but never found immigration guys taking more than half a minute to stamp the passport and send me through, so i really don't know where did you get the waiting for long idea from.

 

[marcus66502]

Marcus could you please explain what is red tapism in the case of having exit stamps ?. Well all this is supposed to be done to make system better, so that people don't need to send $hit load of documents to prove anything nonsense. I know you don't want to oppose any change because you consider yourself too lucky to be in Canada that anything nonsense Canada does, you just seem to turn a blind eye to it. Well the point is just not about exit stamps the gist is that the system needs to have better record keeping procedures so that no one is at a disadvantage. I think you fail to understand this and just keep on carrying about justifying the senseless, well i still don't say you are wrong because the opinion is yours and you are more than free to share your piece of mind.

red-tapeism, red-tapismthe practice of requiring excessive paperwork and tedious procedures before official action can be considered or completed. Also called red-tapery. — red-tapist n. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/red-tapism

Red tapism is what actually Canada has created and also trying to jump more into it. RQ is a perfect example of it and this crap can easily be eliminated by taking simple measures like exit stamps. Now don't say that Canada can not afford to employ say a work force of 1000 people to make lives of its Citizens or would be Citizens better. Being customers of CIC we do expect a good and timely customer service and on top of that things are not showered on us for free, we do pay for the services availed through fee and taxes. I have been out of Sydney International Airport many times and on different days but never found immigration guys taking more than half a minute to stamp the passport and send me through, so i really don't know where did you get the waiting for long idea from.

You can lecture about this all you want but the truth remains that the only people who would benefit from exit controls at ports of entry are people like you who are applying for citizenship and want to have an easier time of it. That's why your proposal sounds absurd to the native-born population and there is zero support for it. And I don't care for your experiences in Australia or anywhere else, at least at land border exit points it would take just as long a wait to clear immigration as it does upon entry (it would take just as much time for them to record your exit as to record your entry). Long lines would form just like in the other direction. Take this from someone who's had to wait over an hour at the land border ports on busy summer Sunday afternoons.

Like I said before, I understand that to you this is not a big deal, but here the general population has a completely different attitude and will see exit controls as pointless and red tape-ish. Exit controls are just not a way of life in the US or Canada like they are in the rest of the world.

 

[harry_aussie]

Yes, because handing out RQ''s mindlessly and keeping an application in process for years is the true Canadian way of life. Charging money for the services and holding upto eternity is the true Canadian way. I personally know native Canadians who are facing troubles by being attached to some non Canadian and are being choked because of this broken system. BTW who are native Canadians ? at some point or somehow all are connected to immigration. Well i'am just trying to speak my mind out and you are doing your duty to bow to your master.