Need Help: Employment History

[jojee2k6]

Hi Everyone,

I do appreciate your valuable support on this forum. I am a newbie to this forum, as I intend to apply under EE, currently ECA and IELTS in process, later will pursue online application.

I was wondering about my job experience and reference letters, details as under:

• May, 2015 -- Present: Manager R&D - IT Consultancy Company - (Paid) - can get experience/recommendation letter, when required
• Dec, 2012 -- Jun, 2015 : PhD Research Scholar - University - During PhD, on ERASMUS Mobility (Paid by Scholarship) - have recommendation Letter from PhD Supervisor
• Jul, 2012 -- Dec- 2012: Research Project Manager - Tech Company - (Paid) - don't have experience letter and v. difficult to get.
• Mar, 2010 -- Jun, 2012: Project Executive R&D - Tech Company - (Paid) - Have Experience letter
• Oct, 2009 -- Mar - 2011: Research Associate - University - During MS degree (Unpaid) - have recommendation/reference letter from MS thesis supervisor.
• Sept, 2005 -- Feb - 2006: Software Support Executive - Company - (Paid) - have experience letter

Above mentioned experience letters, may not adhere to CIC requirement, e.g. no working hours mentioned, no outlined job-descriptions, etc. It would be difficult, may be, to get new experience letters from each of employer, except current employer would be issuing as per CIC instruction, when the time will come,

- but when we need to provide experience letter from current employer? while creating EE online profile or when I receive ITA?

Need your kind advice, following are few questions pertaining to my job history:

- During EE online profile creation, which job(s) I should provide or omit?
- If I get ITA, which I should provide / omit lately in personal history section?
- University RAship can be counted as experience (paid/unpaid)?
- Can I apply under more than one NOC? I don't know which NOC, i will check, but considering my diverse experience history, I believe it would be coherent with more than one NOC.
- Do I need to provide NOC's while creating EE online profile or later?

Thanking in anticipation.
I hope not asked much.
Awaiting your kind response in detail.

 

[riasat.abir]

Assuming these are your foreign experience, only 3 years will be counted.
So I would suggest to mention these in your employment record as you have ref letters and will match similar noc:
May, 2015 -- Present: Manager R&D
Mar, 2010 -- Jun, 2012: Project Executive R&D
Sept, 2005 -- Feb - 2006: Software Support Executive
you can mention the rest in your personal history after the ITA as you are not getting/claiming for these so you won't need to submit letters.

 

[istari]

Firstly, if your reference letters do not contain all the information CIC ask for, you will need to provide this information by another means (pay slips, tax returns, employment contract, etc.). So your choice of which experience to include may depend on which employment you can prove.

- but when we need to provide experience letter from current employer? while creating EE online profile or when I receive ITA?
When you submit your post-ITA eAPR (along with all your other documents). This must be submitted within 60 days after ITA.

Need your kind advice, following are few questions pertaining to my job history:

- During EE online profile creation, which job(s) I should provide or omit?
I would recommend that you include:
May, 2015 -- Present: Manager R&D
Mar, 2010 -- Jun, 2012: Project Executive R&D
These 2 cover the maximum 3 years you can claim points for. And they both cover the 1 year minimum, so if they are in different NOCs, you can choose the NOC you want as your primary.

"Sept, 2005 -- Feb - 2006: Software Support Executive" which riasat.abir mentioned should not be included in your Work History, because it was not within the past 10 years, so it will not count.

- If I get ITA, which I should provide / omit lately in personal history section?
You should include everything in your personal history.

- University RAship can be counted as experience (paid/unpaid)?
Unpaid, no. Paid, I'm not sure. But you have enough work experience without this that you don't need it.

- Can I apply under more than one NOC? I don't know which NOC, i will check, but considering my diverse experience history, I believe it would be coherent with more than one NOC.
You must have 1 year of continuous, paid, full-time work experience to qualify. This must be in your primary NOC.
If you have the minimum 1 year, then all your other work experience can be in multiple NOCs.

- Do I need to provide NOC's while creating EE online profile or later?
I think so.

 

[jojee2k6]

Thanks a lot @Riasat and @Istari for very concise, precise and accurate insights.

I really appreciate, the way you resolved my big confusion.

So, I can conclude following two experiences, which are considered as Foreign (outside Canada), ; +3 years; experience letters adheres to CIC requirement:

- May, 2015 -- Present: Manager R&D (Italy): paid and will get experience letter from current employer as per CIC requirement. I will choose it as primary NOC (yet don't know which #), but as it is recent, more evolved role under capacity of managerial level.

- Mar, 2010 -- Jun, 2012: Project Executive R&D (Pakistan) : paid and I have checked experience letter, luckily it contain working hours, job description, salary slip, dates, and role as well.

So just to be sure and aligned:

- I need to add ONLY said two experiences at this moment while creating EE profile (Pre-ITA).
- Later during Post-ITA, hopefully I will get ITA, then I will add other experiences in personal details section by providing all supporting docs (If I would manage to collect those, as some are unpaid and no contract, etc.).
- I will choose probably two NOCs and will make 1 my primary NOC as per my current job.

Please correct, If I concluded right?

Rest, so far seems all aligned and OK to me. Will further ask your kind assistance in due course.

Thanks again for your valuable insights.

 

[istari]

Thanks a lot @Riasat and @Istari for very concise, precise and accurate insights.

I really appreciate, the way you resolved my big confusion.

So, I can conclude following two experiences, which are considered as Foreign (outside Canada), ; +3 years; experience letters adheres to CIC requirement:

- May, 2015 -- Present: Manager R&D (Italy): paid and will get experience letter from current employer as per CIC requirement. I will choose it as primary NOC (yet don't know which #), but as it is recent, more evolved role under capacity of managerial level.

- Mar, 2010 -- Jun, 2012: Project Executive R&D (Pakistan) : paid and I have checked experience letter, luckily it contain working hours, job description, salary slip, dates, and role as well.

So just to be sure and aligned:

- I need to add ONLY said two experiences at this moment while creating EE profile (Pre-ITA).
Correct.
You need to list these experiences in your pre-ITA EE profile, but you don't need to provide supporting documents until after you receive ITA.

- Later during Post-ITA, hopefully I will get ITA, then I will add other experiences in personal details section by providing all supporting docs (If I would manage to collect those, as some are unpaid and no contract, etc.).
You do not need to provide any supporting documentation for the work experience in your Personal History.

- I will choose probably two NOCs and will make 1 my primary NOC as per my current job.

Please correct, If I concluded right?

Rest, so far seems all aligned and OK to me. Will further ask your kind assistance in due course.

Thanks again for your valuable insights.

 

[jojee2k6]

Perfect! That sounds more convenient and logical: During Pre-ITA while creating Online EE profile, will only list my 2 experiences without providing experience letters, or other supporting documents.
Rest during Post-ITA, will list rest of experiences in personal history section and will upload 2 experience letters of my 2 jobs listed in EE profile.

Feeling quite relaxed. Right now, under pursuance of ECA, and IELTS, after will launch EE profile.

One last thing,
I have read somewhere, don't remember exactly - may be while checking capability and somewhere calculator, on one place I found "more than 3 years" foreign experience check, in contrast to other place I found "6 years or more", I was wondering would it effect my scores If I list only these two experiences, or I would get max.? as I don't remember but somewhere I read about 6 yrs or more. logical, a person with +6 yrs will gain more points as compared to +3 yrs.? may be I am wrong..please correct!

Thanks again for valuable assistance. Now road to EE is quite clear, and will follow in due course if succeeded by getting ITA

 

[istari]

When applying under FSWP (as opposed to CEC, or FSTP), you must calculate your score against 2 different criteria.

Firstly, there is the FSWP eligibility criteria: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-factors.asp
This determines whether or not you are eligible to create an EE profile. To be eligible, you must score 67/100.
In the FSWP eligibility criteria, you can earn points for a maximum of 6 years of work experience.

Secondly, there is the CRS: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-entry/grid-crs.asp
This determines whether or not you receive ITA.
For CRS, you can only earn points for a maximum of 3 years of work experience.

 

[jojee2k6]

When applying under FSWP (as opposed to CEC, or FSTP), you must calculate your score against 2 different criteria.

Firstly, there is the FSWP eligibility criteria: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-factors.asp
This determines whether or not you are eligible to create an EE profile. To be eligible, you must score 67/100.
In the FSWP eligibility criteria, you can earn points for a maximum of 6 years of work experience.

Secondly, there is the CRS: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-entry/grid-crs.asp
This determines whether or not you receive ITA.
For CRS, you can only earn points for a maximum of 3 years of work experience.
Thanks Istari, really appreciate your kind assistance, I understood now between FSWP and CRS eligibility, yet while checking CRS requirements about experience outside canada, Its written

 It must have been continuous, paid, full-time (or an equal amount in part-time), and in only one occupation.

I am afraid, said two experiences are not continuous but with GAP. would that be an issue or will be getting max. points?


Secondly, I am currently in pursuance to ECA from WES and have applied for all degrees (from Secondary to PhD).
I calculated my score along with Spouse details, which is around 478 if I get CLB 10 (I'm quite hopeful to get that), do you think there's a chance considering current situation and trend analysis?
Hopefully ASAP in December, I will launch my EE profile after getting ECA and IELTS results. Meanwhile gathering information and gearing up with hope.

Thanks again for enlightening me.

 

[istari]

Thanks Istari, really appreciate your kind assistance, I understood now between FSWP and CRS eligibility, yet while checking CRS requirements about experience outside canada, Its written
It must have been continuous, paid, full-time (or an equal amount in part-time), and in only one occupation.
I am afraid, said two experiences are not continuous but with GAP. would that be an issue or will be getting max. points?
You must have 1 year of continuous full-time work experience. All other work experience can have as many gaps as you like.

Secondly, I am currently in pursuance to ECA from WES and have applied for all degrees (from Secondary to PhD).
I calculated my score along with Spouse details, which is around 478 if I get CLB 10 (I'm quite hopeful to get that), do you think there's a chance considering current situation and trend analysis?
Hopefully ASAP in December, I will launch my EE profile after getting ECA and IELTS results. Meanwhile gathering information and gearing up with hope.
The score is predicted to go down at the end of the year. No one knows when or by how much. But 478 is a good score.

Thanks again for enlightening me.

 

[jojee2k6]

Thanks for prompt response and good to know about 1 yr.

Quite comforting to know 478 is good score, motivated me. Keeping fingers crossed.

Thanks again!

 

[Canada_cube]

When applying under FSWP (as opposed to CEC, or FSTP), you must calculate your score against 2 different criteria.

Firstly, there is the FSWP eligibility criteria: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-factors.asp
This determines whether or not you are eligible to create an EE profile. To be eligible, you must score 67/100.
In the FSWP eligibility criteria, you can earn points for a maximum of 6 years of work experience.

Secondly, there is the CRS: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-entry/grid-crs.asp
This determines whether or not you receive ITA.
For CRS, you can only earn points for a maximum of 3 years of work experience.

This is confusing. If FWSP gives you points for 6 years but CRS only gives you points for max 3 years, when applying EE would one need reference letters corresponding to 6 years or 3 years, if one intends to claim the max points?

Thanks