I already received ITA for New Brunswick provincial nomination program. I am sending full application (hard copies), as mentioned in the documents checklist.Stanlee said:
Nail the Challenge of Getting Reference Letter from Current Employer!!
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Great. Thank you very much. This is of great helpStanlee said:HOW TO GET/REQUEST REFERENCE LETTER FROM CURRENT EMPLOYER?
Reference Letter from employer plays a very important role as the document to prove your work experience for migration purposes. Many people have raised the issue on this forum that they are unable to get reference letter(s) from their employer for migration. I would like to highlight some points in this regard which worked for me and might as well work for you guys. After all you can give it a try, and if it works for you, good for you. If you have explored better ways of addressing this issue, please mention it here, so that others can also learn and approach it in a manner which will help them
Requesting a reference letter is an art, it all depends on your rapport with your manager/supervisor. If I were you, I would follow the steps given below, after all you are not moving to a competitor, you are only trying for a better life, which is not wrong at all.
1. Win Confidence - If you can win your manager's confidence, then you can let him know this over a causal chat. The best way to approach is in the form of asking your manager's advise on you moving to another country. Even if you do not like the current job, never ever do the mistake of complaining and citing it as the reason for migration. Instead, try to relate it with your personal aspirations, ambitions and quality of life and what you want to do with your life. If you ask for advise, it is an indirect way of flattering the manager and it will also make him feel that you consider him as a mentor, but do not overdo it. This approach will definitely work, because we humans by our very nature love to advise others
2. Request Reference - Next ask him whether he would be willing to refer you in case you plan to migrate in future, never give him an indication that it is immediate, otherwise he will feel that you have made up your mind to move and the thoughts of replacing you would be running in his mind. You can give an indication about it and also assure your manager that you will be around for at least a year, so that you safeguard your job even if Canada does not go through as expected. If you put it this way, he will be more than happy and willing to refer you. But sometimes, even if he is willing to refer you, he may not have the right to issue a letter, so that is where the next step comes into picture.
3. Leverage Authority/Position - If you are successful in doing the above, you have crossed 50% of the hurdle. The next important step is to convince HR to issue a letter in the required format. This is a very crucial step, so leverage your manager's authority/position and request your manager to speak to HR on your behalf and convince them about your requirement and also let him assure HR that the whole process would take at least a year (keeping buffer in mind
4. Letter from Manager - If HR refuses to give you a letter, then ask your manager to issue you a letter on white paper (it should cover all the requisite points), along with a copy of his visiting card and company ID card and get the letter notarized. Submit it along with a Letter of Explanation (LOE).
LOE should cover the following points.
- State the reason why you cannot get a reference letter from employer, if you have any evidence to support you statement, please mention it and also attach it along with the letter.
- In absence of the letter, mention what proactive steps you have taken to prove your work experience.
- Mention the list of documents which you are submitting, in the absence of the reference letter.
- Request the Case Officer to consider your case in light of your situation and also in terms of the proactive steps taken by you to submit best alternative documentary evidence.
All the best!
Hello BEYOUtiful ones
Please see if the following format (copied from this thread, edited) is okay as per CIC requirement, am getting it from my current employer who will soon be my ex employer.
Thanks!
Date:
To Whom It May Concern
This is to certify that Mr. ......... is working with our organization since .....(month, year)..... until today i.e. (current date), he joined as ............ in ....... Department, he was promoted to .............. in (month, year) and he at present is working in our company as .............
Listed below are his key roles and responsibilities:
.......
.......
.......
.......
Mr. ....... has shown the kind of initiative, which is necessary to be successful over the long-term in our Organization. He remains focused on the overall needs of the duties and possess professional work ethics.
He is in full-time employment with our company, and works 48 hours per week.
If you have any further questions with regard to his background or employment, you can reach me on ........ or e-mail me at ...................
Sincerely,
For .............
Authorized Signatory Name
Designation
Please see if the following format (copied from this thread, edited) is okay as per CIC requirement, am getting it from my current employer who will soon be my ex employer.
Thanks!
Date:
To Whom It May Concern
This is to certify that Mr. ......... is working with our organization since .....(month, year)..... until today i.e. (current date), he joined as ............ in ....... Department, he was promoted to .............. in (month, year) and he at present is working in our company as .............
Listed below are his key roles and responsibilities:
.......
.......
.......
.......
Mr. ....... has shown the kind of initiative, which is necessary to be successful over the long-term in our Organization. He remains focused on the overall needs of the duties and possess professional work ethics.
He is in full-time employment with our company, and works 48 hours per week.
If you have any further questions with regard to his background or employment, you can reach me on ........ or e-mail me at ...................
Sincerely,
For .............
Authorized Signatory Name
Designation
My previous employer (and good friend) which is the source of ALL of my FSW points has just told me that due to sub section a.g.f.i.i.i he ca't give me a personal reference letter.
I drafted out a perfect one for him!
So, having read a lot of yes' and no's from previous people in the same situation I am going to submit the following. Any post PR people let me know if this sounds successful.
1) LOE with what I could/couldn't get and why
2) Standard company letter with start date, salary, end date (cold facts)
3) Duties letter by my former supervisor quoting the company code why they can't give me a company duties letter
4) 'Terms of reference' written by supervisor on letter head paper containing duties of role (but not my name)
5) Formal 'subject access request' letter (the response to me asking for all documents they have about me)
6) 'Personal Record print' (non letter head but lists the start and ends dates and my job title
7) 'Letter of appointment' (Job offer letter signed by me but not by the HR guy but letter head with his name)
8) 'Job contract' but without duties
9) 'Resignation letter' letter head and signed with my last date of employment
10) Tax summary of work there (no pay slips survive)
11) Email chain to HR department requesting all of this information
So yeah, it's all in there just over 11 documents and about 25 pages.
Opinions here? I'm aware they are opinions...unless any of you are secret VO's
I drafted out a perfect one for him!
So, having read a lot of yes' and no's from previous people in the same situation I am going to submit the following. Any post PR people let me know if this sounds successful.
1) LOE with what I could/couldn't get and why
2) Standard company letter with start date, salary, end date (cold facts)
3) Duties letter by my former supervisor quoting the company code why they can't give me a company duties letter
4) 'Terms of reference' written by supervisor on letter head paper containing duties of role (but not my name)
5) Formal 'subject access request' letter (the response to me asking for all documents they have about me)
6) 'Personal Record print' (non letter head but lists the start and ends dates and my job title
7) 'Letter of appointment' (Job offer letter signed by me but not by the HR guy but letter head with his name)
8) 'Job contract' but without duties
9) 'Resignation letter' letter head and signed with my last date of employment
10) Tax summary of work there (no pay slips survive)
11) Email chain to HR department requesting all of this information
So yeah, it's all in there just over 11 documents and about 25 pages.
Opinions here? I'm aware they are opinions...unless any of you are secret VO's
Nice. In the LOE have a table which shows the order of documents, title and a column for comments. In the comments section give a brief description about what the document covers (especially from CIC requirements point if view).kryt0n said:
All the best!
Wording of a letter opinion here, please.
As my old manager is not permitted to write a duties and facts reference letter I am gathering separate evidence to support my claim.
I am penning an email to my old employer hr asking them for the reference letter in full. I know that they won't release a listed duties letter, however I will use the email chain as evidence that I have tried to get one.
Does the wording of the below email seem appropriate to you?
Dear Sir or Madam,
I am writing to request an employee reference letter to be used to support my application for Canadian residency.
My employee ID: xxxxxx
The requirements for the reference letter are quite specific and I would like to request that these are met as closely as possible. If any of these are not possible or not permitted, could you please state the information you are able to and provide any internal restrictions preventing you from doing so?
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/express/intake-complete.asp
The following documents are mandatory for each work experience declared:
a reference or experience letter from the employer, which:
should be an official document printed on company letterhead (must include the applicant’s name, the company’s contact information [address, telephone number and email address], and the name, title and signature of the immediate supervisor or personnel officer at the company),
should indicate all positions held while employed at the company and must include the following details: job title, duties and responsibilities, job status (if current job), dates worked for the company, number of work hours per week and annual salary plus benefits;
Below are the employment details according to my records and Subject Access Request:
Employment dates: xxx
Line manager: xxx
Job title: xxx
Salary: xxx
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any further information.
Yours sincerely,
As my old manager is not permitted to write a duties and facts reference letter I am gathering separate evidence to support my claim.
I am penning an email to my old employer hr asking them for the reference letter in full. I know that they won't release a listed duties letter, however I will use the email chain as evidence that I have tried to get one.
Does the wording of the below email seem appropriate to you?
Dear Sir or Madam,
I am writing to request an employee reference letter to be used to support my application for Canadian residency.
My employee ID: xxxxxx
The requirements for the reference letter are quite specific and I would like to request that these are met as closely as possible. If any of these are not possible or not permitted, could you please state the information you are able to and provide any internal restrictions preventing you from doing so?
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/express/intake-complete.asp
The following documents are mandatory for each work experience declared:
a reference or experience letter from the employer, which:
should be an official document printed on company letterhead (must include the applicant’s name, the company’s contact information [address, telephone number and email address], and the name, title and signature of the immediate supervisor or personnel officer at the company),
should indicate all positions held while employed at the company and must include the following details: job title, duties and responsibilities, job status (if current job), dates worked for the company, number of work hours per week and annual salary plus benefits;
Below are the employment details according to my records and Subject Access Request:
Employment dates: xxx
Line manager: xxx
Job title: xxx
Salary: xxx
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any further information.
Yours sincerely,
