Mexico

[mc1234]

By 10 days does that include the weekends? My husband and I are on such a debate about this lol
OMG wow thats even worse than redpack! good to know!

No it doesnt include weekends! So really your waiting 14 days in total

 

[edgarsitow]

Well I just got an email from CIC and guess what!?............
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I have to submit an ARC ¬_¬!

I have to pay the $400 fee, submit a copy of the failed refugee decision as well as, how they put it: "A letter explaining why there are special considerations which would justify your return to Canada and explaining why you did not leave Canada when you were ordered to do so."

I don't care about the fee. I can get the money, what bothers me is that damn letter. How do I begin? What do I write? How long should it be? Damn it I have so many questions, if any of you have any information that could help it would be appreciated.

I also have to pay with a bank draft. Pardon my ignorance but WTH is a bank draft?

 

[mc1234]

A bank draft looks like a cheque and that is pretty much what it is.. it is certified from the bank. I get them all the time at my job (work in real estate) but that is AWESOME news you are sooooooooooooooooooooooooo close edgar!

 

[LeisaP]

Well I just got an email from CIC and guess what!?............
...........
..........................
.............

I have to submit an ARC ¬_¬!

I have to pay the $400 fee, submit a copy of the failed refugee decision as well as, how they put it: "A letter explaining why there are special considerations which would justify your return to Canada and explaining why you did not leave Canada when you were ordered to do so."

I don't care about the fee. I can get the money, what bothers me is that damn letter. How do I begin? What do I write? How long should it be? Damn it I have so many questions, if any of you have any information that could help it would be appreciated.

I also have to pay with a bank draft. Pardon my ignorance but WTH is a bank draft?

I know birney had to do an ARC' maybe you can ask him if he had to submit a letter aswell and what he wrote.
also another question..

how long did they give you to submit this...
and did your family leave canada when they got the removal order or did they stay longer ..

 

[TSauretBaxter]

I hope we both get our PGR's on Monday then!
I just have a short trip 3 days but we will make the best of it!

Well think of it this way.. It may be your last trip without your husband. Soon he'll be back in Canada with you.

 

[edgarsitow]

A bank draft looks like a cheque and that is pretty much what it is.. it is certified from the bank. I get them all the time at my job (work in real estate) but that is AWESOME news you are sooooooooooooooooooooooooo close edgar!

So what do I ask for? Google translate says it's called a "Letra Bancaria" is there any information that has to be given to the bank? This is what the site says:

Residents of Mexico only:

If you are paying in Mexican pesos, the bank draft or certified cheque should be made payable to: “Embajada de Canadá”. Please take note of the following:

Do not write on the back of the bank draft or certified cheque.
If you are paying with a certified cheque, it must have 2 signatures and the 2 code numbers of the bank officers, except for Banamex. In this case, only 1 signature and 1 code number of the bank officer is accepted.
If you are paying with a bank draft, it must have 2 signatures and the 2 code numbers of the bank officer, except for Banamex and Bancomer. In those cases, only 1 signature and 1 code number of the bank officer is accepted.
Cheques must have been recently issued.
Pay the exact fee for your application (do not add cents).
Your payment must accompany your application.
Please ensure that the bank does not forward your bank draft or certified cheque to this office.
If your application is received at this office without the correct processing fee attached, it will be returned to you.

I'm so lost.

I know birney had to do an ARC' maybe you can ask him if he had to submit a letter aswell and what he wrote.
also another question..

how long did they give you to submit this...
and did your family leave canada when they got the removal order or did they stay longer ..

They gave me 60 days, but I'm submitting everything on Monday.

That's the thing. The whole refugee thing is so ambiguous. We never were ordered to leave. The Order and Decision only states your options, we went for humanitarian and compassionate grounds, and when it was denied, we left voluntarily. We never applied for the PRRA. The thing is that they never start telling you when the 30 days for you to leave start.

 

[mc1234]

So what do I ask for? Google translate says it's called a "Letra Bancaria" is there any information that has to be given to the bank? This is what the site says:

Residents of Mexico only:

If you are paying in Mexican pesos, the bank draft or certified cheque should be made payable to: “Embajada de Canadá”. Please take note of the following:

Do not write on the back of the bank draft or certified cheque.
If you are paying with a certified cheque, it must have 2 signatures and the 2 code numbers of the bank officers, except for Banamex. In this case, only 1 signature and 1 code number of the bank officer is accepted.
If you are paying with a bank draft, it must have 2 signatures and the 2 code numbers of the bank officer, except for Banamex and Bancomer. In those cases, only 1 signature and 1 code number of the bank officer is accepted.
Cheques must have been recently issued.
Pay the exact fee for your application (do not add cents).
Your payment must accompany your application.
Please ensure that the bank does not forward your bank draft or certified cheque to this office.
If your application is received at this office without the correct processing fee attached, it will be returned to you.

That is really confusing. :S

 

[LeisaP]

They gave me 60 days, but I'm submitting everything on Monday.

That's the thing. The whole refugee thing is so ambiguous. We never were ordered to leave. The Order and Decision only states your options, we went for humanitarian and compassionate grounds, and when it was denied, we left voluntarily. We never applied for the PRRA. The thing is that they never start telling you when the 30 days for you to leave start.

O okay. yeah i imagine you plan to submit asap.
hmm so ours is a bit different,
my husbands refugee was denied, than they gave him a letter offering him to do the PRAA, so he did the praa and it was denied, and cbsa came to our door and gave my husband a letter stating he had an interview with an officer 3 days later. so when we went to the interview, they told him he had to leave by the end of the month which was about 3.5 weeks and they gave us a letter stating the day he had to leave by march 31, and we left on that day. voluntarily as well.

im worried because my husband doesnt have the paper that says why his refugee was denied anymore. he threw it out assuming he wouldnt need it, because our immigration consultant told us she never heard of cic asking for these documents because they have access to them internally!. so if they ask for this paper! we are screwed, is there anyway to order this from immigration refugee board... so we can have a copy incase they ask for it.


also have you seen the cic arc manual on how they process arcs.. if not i can send it to you in a PM .i have a copy saved incase we need the arc aswell.

 

[LeisaP]

is it possible to get your wife to pay the arc fee for you from inside canada...

 

[edgarsitow]

O okay. yeah i imagine you plan to submit asap.
hmm so ours is a bit different,
my husbands refugee was denied, than they gave him a letter offering him to do the PRAA, so he did the praa and it was denied, and cbsa came to our door and gave my husband a letter stating he had an interview with an officer 3 days later. so when we went to the interview, they told him he had to leave by the end of the month which was about 3.5 weeks and they gave us a letter stating the day he had to leave by march 31, and we left on that day. voluntarily as well.

im worried because my husband doesnt have the paper that says why his refugee was denied anymore. he threw it out assuming he wouldnt need it, because our immigration consultant told us she never heard of cic asking for these documents because they have access to them internally!. so if they ask for this paper! we are screwed, is there anyway to order this from immigration refugee board... so we can have a copy incase they ask for it.


also have you seen the cic arc manual on how they process arcs.. if not i can send it to you in a PM .i have a copy saved incase we need the arc aswell.

I believe I've seen the document before, but send it to my inbox anyway. It would be appreciated. We just kept the copies out of coincidence, no one ever told us that we would need them! I'd try to contact the IRPA and ask them if there's a way to get a copy of the decision, I'd do that right away if I were you, just in case.

I don't know if my wife can pay for it or not, but I'll be the one paying. I just gotta find out how.

 

[LeisaP]

I believe I've seen the document before, but send it to my inbox anyway. It would be appreciated. We just kept the copies out of coincidence, no one ever told us that we would need them! I'd try to contact the IRPA and ask them if there's a way to get a copy of the decision, I'd do that right away if I were you, just in case.

I don't know if my wife can pay for it or not, but I'll be the one paying. I just gotta find out how.

Yes I am going to tell my husband to contact them asap, from the website and from the vancouver office where everything went on.
just to be safe!. ah this is freaking me out now!

 

[TSauretBaxter]

Yes I am going to tell my husband to contact them asap, from the website and from the vancouver office where everything went on.
just to be safe!. ah this is freaking me out now!

Will you have to do an "ARC"?


SOOOO sorry Edgar that you have yet another step to do!!

 

[LeisaP]

Will you have to do an "ARC"?


SOOOO sorry Edgar that you have yet another step to do!!

I have no idea!!
our immigration consultant said maybe yes and maybe no. for a few reasons.

my husband was at all his meetings, cooperated with them, left when he was told to,paid his own ticket, technically not deported, but on the paper they wrote 'departure becomes deportation' even though the paper says departure order, and our other letter says removal order, but nothing says deportation. confusing.. and on top of that the cbsa officers working with my husband were following him along his case the whole time, so they knew me and they knew our relationship, also my husband helped them close a case of an arrest warrant that was out for one of my husbands friends. One of his friends was in canada illegally, commited fraud, hit and run and credit card theft and than fled to the usa where he is now illegal. the cbsa officers knew my husband knew him because there addresses matched up. so they asked him to help them with the case and of course he did, its either his ass or his friends ass. so he told them all the info about where the guy is staying now, his contact info and helped them close the case. So that could work in our favor!.
Also the cbsa officers were giving my husband alot of wiggle room, because of that they let him work up untill the day before we left which is definatly not allowed. soo those little things could help our case, but who knows really!!.

If they ask for the arc i pray to all the gods that they only ask for the fee and no papers or letter!!!
arc is soo confusing it really is!.

 

[TSauretBaxter]

I have no idea!!
our immigration consultant said maybe yes and maybe no. for a few reasons.

If they ask for the arc i pray to all the gods that they only ask for the fee and no papers or letter!!!
arc is soo confusing it really is!.

Yeah it seems confusing!

 

[LeisaP]

Yeah it seems confusing!

it is! and according to cic website, you are only asked for an arc if you were deported

this is what it says for departure

1. Departure Order (form number IMM 5238)

a) If you received a Departure Order and

left Canada within the required 30 days and
verified your departure with a Canadian immigration officer at the port of exit

you do not need an ARC. You may return to Canada subject to normal examination at the port of entry.

b) If you left the country without verifying your departure, or more than 30 days after the Departure Order was issued, the Departure Order automatically becomes a Deportation Order and you need to apply for an ARC (see point 3 below).


we did A, but for some reason the person filling out the paper circled depature becomes deportation on our certificate if departure..
i dunno if they put it in the system like that or if they just circled it on the paper.

because we have a letter that says we have a departure order to leave canada no later than march 31, and we left march 31. so technically according to the website we shouldnt have to get an ARC...
but it seems like cic and cbsa arent following this rule :-\