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tuyen

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scos said:
But there is only ONE mailroom. Most large corporations have all mail go to the mailroom where it is sorted and often preprocessed. I know my app was signed for in a mailroom. And THAT is where it should be timestamped. Happens in insurance all the time (they often take a further step to categorize the mail and scan it). Is this concept too difficult for government to grasp?
The only difficult concept here seems to be your inability to understand that physically RECEIVING a package and signing for it (in whatever mail room) is NOT the same as actually OPENING up that package and starting to work on it. Your application could arrive in the mail room on the same day as 200 others, but that doesn't mean that all those 200 applications will immediately be opened that same day and someone will get down to working on them just because the mail man delivered them and someone signed for them. It could be days (or even weeks) between the time when an application ARRIVES and when someone actually OPENS it to begin work on it.


scos said:
You don't think this happens in private business?
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Most people in private business would be fired or severely reprimanded for something like that.
The fact that you're even TRYING to equate how things work in the private sector with how things work in a government agency is staggering.

In the private sector, there are consequences to people's actions. In the public sector, you can pretty much do whatever you want and be as lazy and incompetent as you can possibly be, and you'll still have your job and government pension. You have to literally go out of your way to get fired from a public sector job, and in most cases, the only offense serious enough to warrant dismissal is a threat made on your supervisor's life. Anything short of that, and it's business as usual in government.
 

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A Vietnamese friend of mine said that in her language tuyen means "gland".....I wonder which you would be....pituitary, thyroid....renal?

tuyen said:
The only difficult concept here seems to be your inability to understand that physically RECEIVING a package and signing for it (in whatever mail room) is NOT the same as actually OPENING up that package and starting to work on it. Your application could arrive in the mail room on the same day as 200 others, but that doesn't mean that all those 200 applications will immediately be opened that same day and someone will get down to working on them just because the mail man delivered them and someone signed for them. It could be days (or even weeks) between the time when an application ARRIVES and when someone actually OPENS it to begin work on it.
Applications do not sit in loose piles on the floor. Agents do not just go over and pull from the top. They would be dispatched by received date or else you run the risk of bypassing applications by the droves.


tuyen said:
In the private sector, there are consequences to people's actions. In the public sector, you can pretty much do whatever you want and be as lazy and incompetent as you can possibly be, and you'll still have your job and government pension. You have to literally go out of your way to get fired from a public sector job, and in most cases, the only offense serious enough to warrant dismissal is a threat made on your supervisor's life. Anything short of that, and it's business as usual in government.
You obviously know nothing about working for the government. The government sets the policy and the management of whatever agency puts it into motion. Employees have to follow whatever direction they are given so long as they do not conflict with their collective agreement. I know this because I work for one of our oldest government agencies. The structure is the same for all of them whether they be a federal agency or a Crown Corporation.
 

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tuyen said:
And my response was to let you know that if you REALLY wanted to put your intelligence and/or life's accomplishments up against my own, I'd be more than happy to embarrass you any time you want to go down that road with me.
I would be happy to do that. I will wait here while you go get some.
 

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The numbers in the newly updated processing times has somewhat good news (depending on your situation). If your application is for spouse only, the time is 9 months, not 11 as on the webpage. If there are children then the time rises to 11. Here is the link that was posted in another thread to download the spreadsheet...

http://www.data.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=5175A6F0-1&xsl=datacataloguerecord&metaxsl=datacataloguerecord&formid=427337D0-7C36-4FED-8428-C6A63F8C19B3

(thanks to Samaseemo for posting the link)
 

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scos said:
The numbers in the newly updated processing times has somewhat good news (depending on your situation). If your application is for spouse only, the time is 9 months, not 11 as on the webpage. If there are children then the time rises to 11. Here is the link that was posted in another thread to download the spreadsheet...

http://www.data.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=5175A6F0-1&xsl=datacataloguerecord&metaxsl=datacataloguerecord&formid=427337D0-7C36-4FED-8428-C6A63F8C19B3

(thanks to Samaseemo for posting the link)
That's great news! Here I thought the average time for MNL jumped from 9 months to 11 since the time I had applied.
 

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Steph C said:
That's great news! Here I thought the average time for MNL jumped from 9 months to 11 since the time I had applied.
So did I.
 

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Should have read it closer. Though the sheet is new, the period of data still ends September 30th, 2012. So maybe it has jumped. But I think I will try to remain optimistic.
 

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scos said:
Should have read it closer. Though the sheet is new, the period of data still ends September 1st, 2012. So maybe it has jumped. But I think I will try to remain optimistic.
After hearing Merlyn's Tim's timeline I got really depressed. At least it helped boost my mood a little bit.
 

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I don't mean to put a damper on everyone's spirits.....but, I don't view it as good news at all. Processing time variances based on % applications are stated below:

2011 (Spouses and Partners) - 20% = 3 months, 30% = 3 months, 50% = 4 months, 70% = 6 months, 80% = 9 months

previous 12 months (oct '11 - sept '12) (Spouses and Partners) - 20% = 4 months, 30% = 5 months, 50% = 6 months, 70% = 8 months, 80% = 9 months

While the end % application processing time is the same......the road to get there has increased across the board!

On a positive note....the % acceptance rate for spouses and partners has gone up 1% (yes, that's sarcasm)

I hope this correlation is just a direct result of procedural and processing restructure undergone in 2012 and not directly due to "the governments master plan for quicker family reunification for everyone"
 

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Luckyman said:
"the governments master plan for quicker family reunification for everyone"
baaaaahahaha. I wonder if they realized my partner could also qualify under their new skilled worker category that they could kill 2 birds with one stone.. not.
 

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One question....

Does anyone know definitely if the reported processing times are from receipt to decision made, or receipt to complete.
If it's the latter, it would then include approx. 1 month in Canada?
 

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baaaaahahaha. I wonder if they realized my partner could also qualify under their new skilled worker category that they could kill 2 birds with one stone.. not.
Quote from cic:
New FSW applications are processed within 12 months of receipt. Priority is given to applicants with a qualifying job offer, allowing employers to staff positions quickly.

Considering the above... And the new language credentials and academic assessments.... I'd be glad they'd never realize it in your case....

Spousal is still best.
 

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My guess is they would probably count it to decision made or or more likely to visa issued. They would want to keep the time as low as possible to make their stats look better. If they wait for completion then the applicant could introduce a lot of extra delays that would reflect badly on their processing times.
 

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Woke up to "DECISION MADE" this morning. ECAS status actually changed some time on "Saturday" Philippine time. Woo-hoo!!
 

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Luckyman said:
I don't mean to put a damper on everyone's spirits.....but, I don't view it as good news at all. Processing time variances based on % applications are stated below:

2011 (Spouses and Partners) - 20% = 3 months, 30% = 3 months, 50% = 4 months, 70% = 6 months, 80% = 9 months

previous 12 months (oct '11 - sept '12) (Spouses and Partners) - 20% = 4 months, 30% = 5 months, 50% = 6 months, 70% = 8 months, 80% = 9 months

While the end % application processing time is the same......the road to get there has increased across the board!

On a positive note....the % acceptance rate for spouses and partners has gone up 1% (yes, that's sarcasm)

I hope this correlation is just a direct result of procedural and processing restructure undergone in 2012 and not directly due to "the governments master plan for quicker family reunification for everyone"
That still leaves 20% processed longer than 9 months if at all. Thats the number that worries me.