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Liberal Critic Suggests Cons Might Try to Cancel Pending Citizenship Apps

ramsfe said:
.... what do you call a Reasonable limit on rights ? stripping hard working immigrants of their dreams is reasonable ? adding hardship to the lives of many canadian families is reasonable ? Retroactively applying a law on people in a way that those who live in areas where CIC is slow will get collectivel punished is reasonable ? Wasting tax payers money that was used to pay all those who are currently working hard on our applications is reasonable ?
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I understand that this issue is an emotional one for many, but let's try to keep it in context. Asking PR to live in Canada for an extra year is hardly "stripping them of their dreams", "adding hardship" or "collective punishment". It's merely a further standard to evaluate who is actually keen to make Canada home and who is just here for a temporary period to obtain a passport.
 
torontosm said:
I understand that this issue is an emotional one for many, but let's try to keep it in context. Asking PR to live in Canada for an extra year is hardly "stripping them of their dreams", "adding hardship" or "collective punishment". It's merely a further standard to evaluate who is actually keen to make Canada home and who is just here for a temporary period to obtain a passport.
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Oh, Ok!
 
We just want larger change before we sink further to the dark "depths of uncoolness" and become a further object of global ridicule for what we have become - - from the earlier and more cool, open, progressive Canada that used to be. ???

Let's be optimistic and look forward to truth triumphing and lies and deception (and its practitioners) >:( being flushed down the tube.

We all deserve that at the very least after the last few years of regression and in some instances irreparable damage !
 
I would suggest that "Rob Ford" is doing a far better job of promoting "global ridicule" than any immigration or citizenship policy will ever manage... ;D
 
zardoz said:
I would suggest that "Rob Ford" is doing a far better job of promoting "global ridicule" than any immigration or citizenship policy will ever manage... ;D
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no wonder this guy is a conservative... ( with all due respect)
 
Actually, I might have to rethink that... "Justin Bieber" is coming in a close second.
 
I just want to say that of all the countries that have mass immigration (I know, a small data set), Canada stands alone in there being virtually no pressure to cut immigration. Don't go by the comment threads in newspapers, if you compare this place to the United States, the UK (which is actually trying to ration legal immigration from the EU), Australia, and others, the difference is pretty stark. Canada has NO political party that wants to limit immigration -- toughening the requirements for citizenship is not the same, PRs are immigrants with permanent status and a wide range of rights.

Also, everyone is throwing out 'adding one year', '4 years out of 6'. I don't think we actually know that this is in the cards, it could easily be more than that; the only countervailing weight is the raging hunger of the conservative party for immigrant votes in the Toronto hinterlands . . .
 
And hopefully those immigrants in the Toronto hinterlands have wisened up before it's too late ! They are being taken for a ride by tricksters who have ALREADY demonstrated (big track record on that front ! ) that they are so thick skinned that they are willing to absolutely do anything to keep their job.

But with the Duffy gate scandal and Supreme Court Nadon appointments and other screw-ups who is to trust them anymore ?

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/01/26/chris_alexander_shows_his_callous_side_goar.html
 
on-hold said:
I just want to say that of all the countries that have mass immigration (I know, a small data set), Canada stands alone in there being virtually no pressure to cut immigration. Don't go by the comment threads in newspapers, if you compare this place to the United States, the UK (which is actually trying to ration legal immigration from the EU), Australia, and others, the difference is pretty stark. Canada has NO political party that wants to limit immigration -- toughening the requirements for citizenship is not the same, PRs are immigrants with permanent status and a wide range of rights.

Also, everyone is throwing out 'adding one year', '4 years out of 6'. I don't think we actually know that this is in the cards, it could easily be more than that; the only countervailing weight is the raging hunger of the conservative party for immigrant votes in the Toronto hinterlands . . .
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First of all, there is no reason whatsover to compare countries.... we have what we have, we have some benefits and there is no reason to accept loosing them. Citizens or not...

Secondly, nobody knows anything about what is going to happen, the number of years and the number of days or hours spent in Canada is a mere detail that interests individual cases and forgets to look at the global picture! When you become a PR, it is a contract between Canada and you, and this contract includes a clause about citizenship, what CIC is doing is that it is unilateraly changing this contract that pushed many people to choose canada over other countries. If they want to change the law, OK... that's not what I am protesting! What I am protesting is that MANY people are here to work, to live, to contribute and ALSO to take citizenship after 3 years of residency in Canada, and this is not a bad thing, so changing this without taking into consideration the fact that you sold false publicity to these people is immoral.

IMMIGRANTS SHOULD HAVE SELF RESPECT ! When we come to Canada as legal immigrants, Canada is not making us any favors, we are not making it any favors either, and as long as this equation stays equal, then that's fair. Personally, I believe strongly that I bring to Canada as much as Canada brings to me... and now, I am asking Canada to show me that it really means business and that since I fulfilled my part of the contract, it is also going to do its part too.

Don't get me wrong, I love this country and I am at home here ( and that's why I care about this country's future)... but I can't stand anymore to see self-hating immigrants who are ready to eat whatever the government spits on the ground!
 
Rationalizing the processing of applications is not the same as "softening citizenship laws." Its one thing to change the requirements to become a citizen. Its another entirely to change the rules and move the goal posts in the middle of the process, which is what CIC has done, by design or not, with the explosion in waiting times and the utter lack of transparency in the process. Cancelling pending applications would be even worse and would invite legal challenges on many fronts.
 
I think you guys are making a mistake -- a citizenship application is not part of the PR process. When I applied for PR, there was no blurb saying "And after you've been a PR for 3 years, then you can apply for citizenship." It's no different from immigrating to Canada as a nurse, and then finding that after landing the language requirements change before you finish the registration process.

The contract of being a PR is this: permanent residency, the right to live and receive all the benefits of a citizen, with a few exceptions (voting, military, extended periods abroad). The contract includes the right to apply for citizenship under whatever statutory law is active, but it doesn't say that law cannot be changed. Canadians will always be refining the terms on which non-Canadians become Canadian. It would be nice if they would implement these regs gradually, but I really doubt that is in the works. Somehow I don't get the idea this government works that way.

As for the issue of changing the goal posts in the middle of the process, when should it be done? It will always be the 'middle' for some people, if you look at it as a single process (which it isn't).

I agree with you guys that it sucks for people who are counting on getting citizenship as fast as possible -- but this was never a promise, and citizenship is a separate process from PR. I'm thankful that there is no political movement to REALLY increase the residential requirement (assuming that doesn't happen in the next two weeks). I'm sad that it looks like there's a pretty good chance (this kind of thing has been promised for a long time now) I won't be able to apply in November; but at the same time, if they get their process fixed, waiting another year to apply under a fast and efficient process might be better than applying right away with the current process. You don't always get what you want, but you might find sometime you get what you need.
 
on-hold said:
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As for the issue of changing the goal posts in the middle of the process, when should it be done? It will always be the 'middle' for some people, if you look at it as a single process (which it isn't).
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Once again, they can change the law about when a PR can apply for citizenship whenever they want and make it whatever they want. The issue is the lack of transparency in processing already accepted applications and the iniquities that exist between similarly situated applicants. These cannot be justified under any measure of good government. There is no reason why an applicant in Windsor or Mississauga can become a citizen in a matter of months, while a similarly situated applicant in Winnipeg waits three years.
 
links18 said:
Once again, they can change the law about when a PR can apply for citizenship whenever they want and make it whatever they want. The issue is the lack of transparency in processing already accepted applications and the iniquities that exist between similarly situated applicants. These cannot be justified under any measure of good government. There is no reason why an applicant in Windsor or Mississauga can become a citizen in a matter of months, while a similarly situated applicant in Winnipeg waits three years.
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I completely agree, sorry if I mistook your point.
 
links18 said:
These cannot be justified under any measure of good government. There is no reason why an applicant in Windsor or Mississauga can become a citizen in a matter of months, while a similarly situated applicant in Winnipeg waits three years.
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I think that a lot of this can be put down to the overly bureaucratic system that is CIC (and many other areas of government). Coming from the UK, I thought that WE were bad... Now I see that this is not the case. My wife obtained British citizenship in just 8 weeks from application date to oath date.
 
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