Is it good to tell in SS application about how many problems we have faced?

[CDNPR2014]

My thought is same that I have nothing to hide and I wrote everything but now learning that not to tell everything! Not understanding a bit.. I use to read other posts and they don't hide and tell everything but here its different. I see cdn has valid point and so do you.

But what is the right way!

if you are having that much problem understanding the application and answering the questions, then it may be worth looking into an immigration attorney or consultant to help you. while i don't normally recommend going that route, the difficulty you are having filling out the application suggests it may prove helpful for you to have someone review your application before submitting.

 

[danawhitaker]

My thought is same that I have nothing to hide and I wrote everything but now learning that not to tell everything! Not understanding a bit.. I use to read other posts and they don't hide and tell everything but here its different. I see cdn has valid point and so do you.

But what is the right way!

Having read through this, if it were me, I think what I would describe the situation with the Express Entry profile, the visitor visa, etc., is that you were exploring all of your options for how to come to Canada, or something to that effect. You don't need to go into extensive detail about each aspect of it (with the exception of possibly the rejected visitor visa), but I'd say that as long as you're honest about the fact you were actively looking at ways to come to Canada, that's good enough.

My concern about not mentioning it at all is that they would actually be able to see the fact that you had tried. They would be able to see when you had tried. They would be able to look at your relationship timeline and see where that fit in. If you mention it briefly and it fits in with that, then you'll probably satisfy them that you're being honest. That doesn't mean they may not ask for more information down the line, and it doesn't mean that you wouldn't perhaps be scrutinized more closely. But I think you can mention it without getting into explicit detail about it. That shows them you aren't trying to hide the fact that you tried to come to Canada through other methods. Because I wouldn't bank on them not being able to see it.

I think what I tried to balance, with my own application, was providing enough information to be honest, but not providing so much information that if there was something I thought might be a problem, that I wouldn't have more information to provide them if they decided they wanted more proof or information about it. You should generally leave yourself enough room in terms of what you provide so that when or if they ask for more proof, you have not exhausted all your options for providing it and are left wondering what to do. In my case, my daughter has no father listed on the birth certificate. I was unsure how they handled that, and there's never been a father in the picture. My state laws say that I have sole custody, and I have my own story for why there's no one else on the birth certificate. But for the application I simply submitted the birth certificate, with a brief explanation for the part where it asked about child custody information that I am the only parent listed on the birth certificate, I obtained her passport alone, and that I have had no issues crossing the border using the birth certificate as proof that I had sole custody. I didn't get into a complicated story about why there's no father listed on the birth certificate. I didn't contact a lawyer and have them write a letter stating what the law is in my state. I didn't ask family members and friends to submit affidavits stating that I had supported her alone from the time she was born. I left those options open to me if they were unsatisfied with that brief explanation, so that I'd have something to provide them down the line if they decided to pursue it further.

 

[Sous02]

Having read through this, if it were me, I think what I would describe the situation with the Express Entry profile, the visitor visa, etc., is that you were exploring all of your options for how to come to Canada, or something to that effect. You don't need to go into extensive detail about each aspect of it (with the exception of possibly the rejected visitor visa), but I'd say that as long as you're honest about the fact you were actively looking at ways to come to Canada, that's good enough.

My concern about not mentioning it at all is that they would actually be able to see the fact that you had tried. They would be able to see when you had tried. They would be able to look at your relationship timeline and see where that fit in. If you mention it briefly and it fits in with that, then you'll probably satisfy them that you're being honest. That doesn't mean they may not ask for more information down the line, and it doesn't mean that you wouldn't perhaps be scrutinized more closely. But I think you can mention it without getting into explicit detail about it. That shows them you aren't trying to hide the fact that you tried to come to Canada through other methods. Because I wouldn't bank on them not being able to see it.

I think what I tried to balance, with my own application, was providing enough information to be honest, but not providing so much information that if there was something I thought might be a problem, that I wouldn't have more information to provide them if they decided they wanted more proof or information about it. You should generally leave yourself enough room in terms of what you provide so that when or if they ask for more proof, you have not exhausted all your options for providing it and are left wondering what to do. In my case, my daughter has no father listed on the birth certificate. I was unsure how they handled that, and there's never been a father in the picture. My state says that I have sole custody, and I have my own story for why there's no one else on the birth certificate. But for the application I simply submitted the birth certificate, with a brief explanation for the part where it asked about child custody information that I am the only parent listed on the birth certificate, I obtained her passport alone, and that I have had no issues crossing the border using the birth certificate as proof that I had sole custody. I didn't get into a complicated story about why there's no father listed on the birth certificate. I didn't contact a lawyer and have them write a letter stating what the law is in my state. I didn't ask family members and friends to submit affidavits stating that I had supported her alone from the time she was born. I left those options open to me if they were unsatisfied with that brief explanation, so that I'd have something to provide them down the line if they decided to pursue it further.

Excellent response.

 

[CDNPR2014]

Excellent response.

agreed (shocker, i know!)

bottom line - if it's relavant information for a question, then it goes in. if it's not, there's no reason to talk about it. in the context above i can see how it could be relevant to the relationship evolution question, assuming it was part of the relationship evolution.

 

[jeffporfirio1]

Having read through this, if it were me, I think what I would describe the situation with the Express Entry profile, the visitor visa, etc., is that you were exploring all of your options for how to come to Canada, or something to that effect. You don't need to go into extensive detail about each aspect of it (with the exception of possibly the rejected visitor visa), but I'd say that as long as you're honest about the fact you were actively looking at ways to come to Canada, that's good enough.

My concern about not mentioning it at all is that they would actually be able to see the fact that you had tried. They would be able to see when you had tried. They would be able to look at your relationship timeline and see where that fit in. If you mention it briefly and it fits in with that, then you'll probably satisfy them that you're being honest. That doesn't mean they may not ask for more information down the line, and it doesn't mean that you wouldn't perhaps be scrutinized more closely. But I think you can mention it without getting into explicit detail about it. That shows them you aren't trying to hide the fact that you tried to come to Canada through other methods. Because I wouldn't bank on them not being able to see it.

I think what I tried to balance, with my own application, was providing enough information to be honest, but not providing so much information that if there was something I thought might be a problem, that I wouldn't have more information to provide them if they decided they wanted more proof or information about it. You should generally leave yourself enough room in terms of what you provide so that when or if they ask for more proof, you have not exhausted all your options for providing it and are left wondering what to do. In my case, my daughter has no father listed on the birth certificate. I was unsure how they handled that, and there's never been a father in the picture. My state says that I have sole custody, and I have my own story for why there's no one else on the birth certificate. But for the application I simply submitted the birth certificate, with a brief explanation for the part where it asked about child custody information that I am the only parent listed on the birth certificate, I obtained her passport alone, and that I have had no issues crossing the border using the birth certificate as proof that I had sole custody. I didn't get into a complicated story about why there's no father listed on the birth certificate. I didn't contact a lawyer and have them write a letter stating what the law is in my state. I didn't ask family members and friends to submit affidavits stating that I had supported her alone from the time she was born. I left those options open to me if they were unsatisfied with that brief explanation, so that I'd have something to provide them down the line if they decided to pursue it further.

Pretty much what I have been advising him.
Thanks for putting it into context

 

[iSuperman]

Having read through this, if it were me, I think what I would describe the situation with the Express Entry profile, the visitor visa, etc., is that you were exploring all of your options for how to come to Canada, or something to that effect. You don't need to go into extensive detail about each aspect of it (with the exception of possibly the rejected visitor visa), but I'd say that as long as you're honest about the fact you were actively looking at ways to come to Canada, that's good enough.

My concern about not mentioning it at all is that they would actually be able to see the fact that you had tried. They would be able to see when you had tried. They would be able to look at your relationship timeline and see where that fit in. If you mention it briefly and it fits in with that, then you'll probably satisfy them that you're being honest. That doesn't mean they may not ask for more information down the line, and it doesn't mean that you wouldn't perhaps be scrutinized more closely. But I think you can mention it without getting into explicit detail about it. That shows them you aren't trying to hide the fact that you tried to come to Canada through other methods. Because I wouldn't bank on them not being able to see it.

I think what I tried to balance, with my own application, was providing enough information to be honest, but not providing so much information that if there was something I thought might be a problem, that I wouldn't have more information to provide them if they decided they wanted more proof or information about it. You should generally leave yourself enough room in terms of what you provide so that when or if they ask for more proof, you have not exhausted all your options for providing it and are left wondering what to do. In my case, my daughter has no father listed on the birth certificate. I was unsure how they handled that, and there's never been a father in the picture. My state laws say that I have sole custody, and I have my own story for why there's no one else on the birth certificate. But for the application I simply submitted the birth certificate, with a brief explanation for the part where it asked about child custody information that I am the only parent listed on the birth certificate, I obtained her passport alone, and that I have had no issues crossing the border using the birth certificate as proof that I had sole custody. I didn't get into a complicated story about why there's no father listed on the birth certificate. I didn't contact a lawyer and have them write a letter stating what the law is in my state. I didn't ask family members and friends to submit affidavits stating that I had supported her alone from the time she was born. I left those options open to me if they were unsatisfied with that brief explanation, so that I'd have something to provide them down the line if they decided to pursue it further.

So, overall, I should mention it in one line that I had an express entry profile and it's withdrawn. That's it. Nothing else. I informed.

 

[dreamcanada89]

it look good when you will tell them rather than they find out.and if they find out itz a serious crime in Canada and they deemed as misrepresentation which bars the person from Canada for 5 years.but you don't need to tell them write now ,you need to tell them under qus 6 of imm 5669 in schedule a after aor and sponsor approval.if you read this form imm5669 which you need to submit in later stage you will get your answer.denied a visa or refusals dont bar u from canada as soon as u dnt hide.the easy way to keep out from this pickle is to be honest.i know one of my relative she refused a visa to uk and she hide it and they did find out and now she is still in her home country waiting for lifting her bar.so you can imagine if they get to find out the UK refusal then Canada immigration refusals or other stuffs are already in their systems.so best be honest.we knows many people who were out of status and they successfully got their applications approved.so tell them when u will upload u will upload imm5669 upon request with PCC.just provide what they are asking now.don't complicate your application as this is a part of later stage means whenever you apply if you are lucky enough then within 20 days or somtym within month.you will have enough time while you will wait for your aor.

 

[dreamcanada89]

So, overall, I should mention it in one line that I had an express entry profile and it's withdrawn. That's it. Nothing else. I informed.

I would suggest you to provide more precise explanation to them why you create it and why you withdraw it .because they actually wanted to know what actually happen.they already know you withdraw it or refused a visa.whenever visa rejected there is a reason of rejection with a rejection letter.so explain briefly what actually happened but not now with form imm5669.it will not hurt your application if you tell them everything .

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Well, this thread degenerated a bit.

To clarify, creating an EE profile is not the same thing as submitting an application. It is simply entering your name into a pool. If IRCC draws your name out of the pool and invites you to apply, you then submit an actual application. Having an EE profile or withdrawing a profile from EE does not have to be mentioned anywhere in another application

OP, the TRV refusal must be mentioned. If you feel that mentioning your other attempts to come to Canada furthers the story of your relationship, then do it. Otherwise, you are not required to mention it.

 

[Aquakitty]

Well, this thread degenerated a bit.

To clarify, creating an EE profile is not the same thing as submitting an application. It is simply entering your name into a pool. If IRCC draws your name out of the pool and invites you to apply, you then submit an actual application. Having an EE profile or withdrawing a profile from EE does not have to be mentioned anywhere in another application

OP, the TRV refusal must be mentioned. If you feel that mentioning your other attempts to come to Canada furthers the story of your relationship, then do it. Otherwise, you are not required to mention it.

I agree, the EE profile isn't a big deal. If you had gone through the process and were denied, then I'd say it might be a bigger issue, but just the profile, I'd keep it to the one line if it fits in somewhere. Just answer what they ask. If you made the EE profile because you wanted to join your spouse in Canada, then it's relevant. If it was nothing to do with your spouse, It's not needed.

They ask about failed visas, not about EE profiles.

 

[jeffporfirio1]

Stay away from EE.
Really, its not that difficult, they have already told you, be honest, come forward to CIC about your previous attempts to game the system.
Follow old Russian adage "Honesty is the best Policy"
Good Luck