International students

[mira.r]

Totally agree that international students, now with work experience should get some incentive in the EE system. It is frustrating that you put in so much time, do your due diligence, adapt to an entirely different country, culture, get a job, pay your tax and yet all you get is a system that does not differentiate between you and someone outside. No offence to the people applying from outside Canada, but there ought to be an incentive for people like us.

Canadian colleges and Universities put in more effort in attracting international students from all over the world. And hey, why not? They pay 3-4 times the fees.
John McCullum himself said that international students are the kind of people they want to have in Canada and yet all they do is talk and talk more. I remember, the then Liberal candidate, now our PM, promising to review the EE system for its flaws but WHEN. I do understand making such changes definitely take time and a lot of reviews and of course, more talks but time is running out for some.
For sure the EE system is going to go through extensive review but it all really comes down to when and how long will it take.

 

[Honeyaustin]

Hey Jaiveer,

Maybe I misunderstood what "limited" means. If it means "work permit tied to particular employer, i.e. not an OWP", it already implies a LMIA in most cases.

Of course, it's harder to get PR now, it's a consequence of getting rid of "first come, first serve" paradigm. But on other hand it's a lot faster, because it prevents enormous backlog. EE just filters out those who are not motivated enough to get a PR. Work harder and you'll get your PR.

I am totally in support of internationally students in canada, i agree that there should be seperate draw for cec and Fsw, infact i think all international students should be given extra points in EE for their canadian studies and canadian education.

 

[anarsoul]

Dear international students,

There were around 300,000 international students in Canada in 2014, see [1]. Let's say that in a year 1/4 of them get a PGWP, multiply this number by 1.5 to account spouses and children.
It's 112500 potential visas per year, while plan for 2016 is to issue 162400 visas for economical immigrants, only 59000 of them for federal program.

They just can't give PR status to every student, period.

[1] http://www.cbie.ca/about-ie/facts-and-figures/
[2] http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/2016-03-08.asp

 

[lisizi]

So they should cut the number of outlander and increase the number of PR for us - international students.
Period.

 

[mira.r]

Thanks for enlightening! Nobody is directly asking for PR. They have slogged and become eligible not by mere living or spending time here but by getting the work experience and paying taxes. We all obviously know that there is no such thing is FREE.

 

[wildemam]

The problem is its really very hard for a student to get more than 450 points..!! I have one year of exp and overall 9 CLB level in all the modules, plus a one bachelor and one canadian diploma, even though I end up at 443. Some provinces having a rule which is not even usefull to international students, while LMIA seems a dream this day, it onky possible when you work for a small business or if you feed then money...!!

My score was 447. Masters + CLBEB 9 all. I am a graduate students. Here comes the trick! Masters and PhD students have their streams in Ontario to apply for Nominations without EE. Even before, I got nomination through EE by OINP nomination!

That simple.

 

[pfse]

So they should cut the number of outlander and increase the number of PR for us - international students.
Period.

I guess Canada is not interested in prioritize some international student who got some fishy 1 year diploma and worked one year as low level manager in mcdonalds over outland professionals and proffesors.

 

[mf4361]

Dear international students,

There were around 300,000 international students in Canada in 2014, see [1]. Let's say that in a year 1/4 of them get a PGWP, multiply this number by 1.5 to account spouses and children.
It's 112500 potential visas per year, while plan for 2016 is to issue 162400 visas for economical immigrants, only 59000 of them for federal program.

They just can't give PR status to every student, period.

[1] http://www.cbie.ca/about-ie/facts-and-figures/
[2] http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/2016-03-08.asp

Your number is fatally flawed at
1) 1/4 gets PGWP is arbitrary
2) one gets PGWP (pretty much given) does not equate to getting a job in NOC 0AB. If one gets a job through fair competition in the job market, it deserves the credit of contributing to domestic job market and economy.
3) X1.5 for spouse & dependent is arbitrary
4) CEC quota were not filled until 2013 when they introduced the 200 cap per NOC B.

In all fairness, PGWPP has been abused with people getting job offered through small, perhaps non-existing companies, in job that doesn't practically exist. I am for validation & auditing the company and job position before giving out extra points, but LMIA is unrealistically strict and ultimately undermines the whole purpose of protecting Canadians from local job market.

 

[dimbo888]

On top of it,international students who do their masters in provinces such as ontario can apply for PNP hence pr eventually without any work experience. Bachelor or diploma students spend atleast 15k to 33k pr year ( depending on the college or university) on tuition fees and yet there is no other system for them. where as people who does only 1 yr or max 2 yrs masters are eligible to get pnp right away. A student who completes bachelors or 3 yrs diploma in Canada are far more adaptable in Canada then a masters student or even foreign fsw candidates.

Even if we put aside the issue of FSW candidates and only talk about masters student in many provinces, it makes no sense that masters students are eligible for PNP right away and bachelors students are not. Something really needs to be done to change this

 

[anarsoul]

So they should cut the number of outlander and increase the number of PR for us - international students.
Period.

Even if they cut all outlanders, all students just do not fit into federal quota.

 

[Honeyaustin]

I guess Canada is not interested in prioritize some international student who got some fishy 1 year diploma and worked one year as low level manager in mcdonalds over outland professionals and proffesors.

and i guess canada is also not interested in disloyal outland professionals and professors, who could not achieve anything in home country, canada definitely don't want losers facing mid-age crisis

 

[mf4361]

Dear international students,

There were around 300,000 international students in Canada in 2014, see [1]. Let's say that in a year 1/4 of them get a PGWP, multiply this number by 1.5 to account spouses and children.
It's 112500 potential visas per year, while plan for 2016 is to issue 162400 visas for economical immigrants, only 59000 of them for federal program.

They just can't give PR status to every student, period.

[1] http://www.cbie.ca/about-ie/facts-and-figures/
[2] http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/2016-03-08.asp

One more

5) 336000 students are from all academic level from junior grade school to PhD. Only those who graduated that year are the new members of PGWPP club.

 

[lisizi]

I guess Canada is not interested in prioritize some international student who got some fishy 1 year diploma and worked one year as low level manager in mcdonalds over outland professionals and proffesors.

Fishy is spelling professors as "proffesors" like you did!

 

[anarsoul]

OK, let me explain:

Your number is fatally flawed at

Nope, it's not. It can be less than actual number, that's true. It's rough estimation, actual number can be higher.

1) 1/4 gets PGWP is arbitrary

I assume that most of student take 4-year or shorter course. If their studies is shorter, number will be greater. (1/3 > 1/4). So let's say it's worst case assumption, and it's safe.

2) one gets PGWP (pretty much given) does not equate to getting a job in NOC 0AB. If one gets a job through fair competition in the job market, it deserves the credit of contributing to domestic job market and economy.

I don't get your point here. Could you elaborate?

3) X1.5 for spouse & dependent is arbitrary

See http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/statistics/facts2014/permanent/15.asp
68% of permanent residents are married or in common-low relationship.
So 1.5x is pretty safe assumption, I could use 1.68x.

4) CEC quota were not filled until 2013 when they introduced the 200 cap per NOC B.

So what? How it contradicts with numbers I posted?

In all fairness, PGWPP has been abused with people getting job offered through small, perhaps non-existing companies, in job that doesn't practically exist. I am for validation & auditing the company and job position before giving out extra points, but LMIA is unrealistically strict and ultimately undermines the whole purpose of protecting Canadians from local job market.

I don't get your point here. You need no LMIA to get PGWP.

 

[RegularGuy]

I really feel it's very unfair. I have seen people from foreign countries getting visas by submitting fake letters and experiences in made up companies of their fathers and relatives. It's not easy to verify foreign letters and experiences compared to Canadian work experience which is required to 100% meeting the laid down requirements. International students should not be put into same competition with foreign applicants. It's very unfair.