International students

[smiley_jeu]

Hi all ,

Iknow this has been discussed already but its getting frustrating because students who studied here and work here paying taxes , get involved with the culture and still they are punished ones ?

I know that they are looking into it to reduce time and maybe doing something for intern students but for some of them , their work permits expire and wotnt have time .


I just dont understand this system anymore .

Thanks

 

[Itsmee]

 

[RamsayBolton]

Hi all ,

Iknow this has been discussed already but its getting frustrating because students who studied here and work here paying taxes , get involved with the culture and still they are punished ones ?

I know that they are looking into it to reduce time and maybe doing something for intern students but for some of them , their work permits expire and wotnt have time .


I just dont understand this system anymore .

Thanks

It's because the Express Entry system put international students in the same pool with fsw and other streams which obviously give young, fresh out of school int'l students serious handicap since they do not have enough working experience to compete with older applicants. In addition, the Liberal government is now focusing on bringing more refugees to Canada so don't expect any help or changes in the near future. We need to accept the situation and make the best of everything.

 

[shdhsjej]

The only solution of this problem is conducting a seperate draw for CEC and FSW applicants...!! CEC has a limited scope of increasing their experience points as they on limited work permit, while FSW dont have any restrictions on the experience section...!!!

 

[anarsoul]

The only solution of this problem is conducting a seperate draw for CEC and FSW applicants...!! CEC has a limited scope of increasing their experience points as they on limited work permit, while FSW dont have any restrictions on the experience section...!!!

It was already discussed several times. TFWs and international students have additional points for Canadian experience, and usually better points for English, since they live in English-speaking environment.

International students have options to apply through provincial streams. Note that Canadian studies is not an official way to immigrate, but PGWP gives you a nice opportunity to get additional points for Canadian work experience if you want to apply for federal program.

Moreover, TFW on regular work permit with LMIA get additional 600 points, so they're in better position then they were before EE.

I was a TFW myself, applied for FSW Inland, got PR in ~6 months. But yet I believe there's no need for separate draw for CEC. EE is well balanced and fair system, and honestly it works pretty well.

 

[shdhsjej]

It was already discussed several times. TFWs and international students have additional points for Canadian experience, and usually better points for English, since they live in English-speaking environment.

International students have options to apply through provincial streams. Note that Canadian studies is not an official way to immigrate, but PGWP gives you a nice opportunity to get additional points for Canadian work experience if you want to apply for federal program.

Moreover, TFW on regular work permit with LMIA get additional 600 points, so they're in better position then they were before EE.

I was a TFW myself, applied for FSW Inland, got PR in ~6 months. But yet I believe there's no need for separate draw for CEC. EE is well balanced and fair system, and honestly it works pretty well.

The problem is its really very hard for a student to get more than 450 points..!! I have one year of exp and overall 9 CLB level in all the modules, plus a one bachelor and one canadian diploma, even though I end up at 443. Some provinces having a rule which is not even usefull to international students, while LMIA seems a dream this day, it onky possible when you work for a small business or if you feed then money...!!

 

[anarsoul]

The problem is its really very hard for a student to get more than 450 points..!! I have one year of exp and overall 9 CLB level in all the modules, plus a one bachelor and one canadian diploma, even though I end up at 443. Some provinces having a rule which is not even usefull to international students, while LMIA seems a dream this day, it onky possible when you work for a small business or if you feed then money...!!

So just work for an extra year to get over 450.

 

[Saskatchewan_Regina]

Too bad for international students

 

[sngm1201]

The problem is its really very hard for a student to get more than 450 points..!! I have one year of exp and overall 9 CLB level in all the modules, plus a one bachelor and one canadian diploma, even though I end up at 443. Some provinces having a rule which is not even usefull to international students, while LMIA seems a dream this day, it onky possible when you work for a small business or if you feed then money...!!

I second this. This express entry has been a nightmare for international students. Without bachelors (only diploma) max. we can do is 447 considering 2 years Canadian work exp. and CLB 9 in IELTS. I hope Canadian govt. acknowledges this fact and make changes asap. I have nothing against refugees but admitting more refugees and cutting down Economic program numbers is the worst decision ever made.

Also, I think they forgot about their promise to assist international students with their PR process and provide additional points to those who have siblings here in Canada. They didn't even care to mention anything in regards to this in their 2016 immigration plan.

 

[shdhsjej]

So just work for an extra year to get over 450.

a whole year?? who is having that much of work permit?? and what about those who cant get more on IeLTs or have limited WP??

 

[BankingExpressE]

After going through the process myself over the last year or so as an international student, I feel your pain. I finally got my PR not too long ago, but had to bridge my PGWP to match my common law partner's to avoid being fired by my employer. Luckily she had more than 6 months left on hers and is employed in a NOC A occupation... Anyways, there is no question in my mind that it is much harder for international students to remain in Canada under EE. The old system may have been too lenient, but given how LMIAs work and the limited number of points you can get before your PGWP expires, I think they went too far in the other direction.

The paradox of the new rules is that the higher your education and the more successful you are (read, getting a job with a large corporation coming out of university), the tougher it is to obtain a LMIA (unless you work in a highly specialized role). Based on my own experience and from talking to others in the same situation, large companies just wont go through the LMIA process for young workers, as there is no way for them to credibly claim that there isn't a Canadian out there that can do the job.

As many others have pointed out before, a degree in Canada should not automatically equal PR, which I agree with. However, I think they should make it a bit easier for international students with good degrees and jobs given the immediate contribution to society and minimal drag on the welfare system.

Just my 2 cents

 

[anarsoul]

a whole year?? who is having that much of work permit?? and what about those who cant get more on IeLTs or have limited WP??

Those who studied for 2+ years in Canada get 3 year PGWP. Those who are on "limited" WP (which implies LMIA) can get a permanent job offer from employer to get additional 600 points.
As for those who can't get better IELTS - why do you think they're better than outlanders?

 

[Jaiveer Singh]

Those who studied for 2+ years in Canada get 3 year PGWP. Those who are on "limited" WP (which implies LMIA) can get a permanent job offer from employer to get additional 600 points.
As for those who can't get better IELTS - why do you think they're better than outlanders?

Getting permanent job offer is a piece of cake? Getting just bachelor degree only doesnt give you LMIA. Past work experince plays a big role in this and it is not easy at all. PNP is the only option for students to get 600 points. May be its easy for you buddy but not for others

 

[lisizi]

I agree. It is getting harder by the minute for us to get a PR.
I knew the liberals would make it harder for us because of the refugee problem.
We pay tons of money for our education here, are ready for the job market, adapted, ready to go! And they prefer refugees who can barely speak English and have no qualification!
We need to immigrate to Australia!

 

[anarsoul]

Getting permanent job offer is a piece of cake? Getting just bachelor degree only doesnt give you LMIA. Past work experince plays a big role in this and it is not easy at all. PNP is the only option for students to get 600 points. May be its easy for you buddy but not for others

Hey Jaiveer,

Maybe I misunderstood what "limited" means. If it means "work permit tied to particular employer, i.e. not an OWP", it already implies a LMIA in most cases.

Of course, it's harder to get PR now, it's a consequence of getting rid of "first come, first serve" paradigm. But on other hand it's a lot faster, because it prevents enormous backlog. EE just filters out those who are not motivated enough to get a PR. Work harder and you'll get your PR.