I took the oath on October 12th. On October 13th, they told me that my certificate had been mailed out, but up to now, I still haven't received anything and I need to go to US urgently . I want to ask if I can use my passport from my original country to go there, and after I arrive, I will sign up for a new certificate and then a passport. Can someone tell me if I can do this?
I have a crazy thought someone please help me
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I don’t know to be honest but I think you can still use your old passport as long as it allows you to go to the States. Why would you want a new certificate?
Would better call IRCC or even maybe CBSA with that. Problem is that you must have destroyed your PR card during the Oath, thus you would have to apply for a travel document. If your original passport allows visa free entry to the US then getting out of Canada should not be a problem, but once out of the country you would need to apply for a PRTD as you won't have legal grounds to be admitted back to the country.
Capacity to travel to the U.S. is not governed by Canadian law. Whether you can use a passport from another country depends on U.S. law and rules, which of course vary depending on which country it is.
Returning to Canada will be no problem if you travel to a land-border crossing. As a Canadian citizen you have a right, of course, to enter Canada. Proof of identity, such as presenting your other country's passport, should easily suffice . . . subject to further screening if there is are concerns about verifying your identity.
If you anticipate returning to Canada by flying, that would require obtaining a special travel document.
This is not how it works.
Moreover, in any event, the OP is not a Permanent Resident, and thus is NOT eligible for a PR Travel Document.
As a citizen of Canada the OP for-sure not only has legal grounds to be "admitted" back into Canada, as a citizen the OP has a fundament right to re-enter Canada protected by the Charter. (A Canadian PR has a statutory entitlement to re-enter.)
Whether the OP may need to obtain a special Travel Document for a Canadian citizen, in order to return to Canada, depends on the mode of travel in returning to Canada. If traveling via a commercial carrier, such as flying on an airline, similar to Canadian PRs who need a valid PR card to board the plane, Canadian citizens need to present a valid Canadian passport (or obtain the respective type of travel document).
As I noted above, if the OP can travel to a land-border crossing, as a Canadian citizen the OP will be allowed to re-enter Canada . . . proof of identity should be sufficient to also establish the OP's status as a Canadian citizen.
Yep, would have to agree on the last note.
But as said in my post better consult with CBSA, alternatively print out the forum pages and show them up to the officer on the way back. They are very convincing
I don't, really, it's just mine still not here and i really need to go to us right now
the thing is, i have my passport with US visa which expire two years later, since the covid is still a ongoing problem i need to travel by air, but i don't think i can't enter us it's ust I'm not sure if i can apply for everything over US
Still same advice: call CBSA. This is your best source. Please don't rely on opinions. If you can postpone till you have your passport then just do it. Out of my experience (I do need a visa on my current passport) US immigration is ALWAYS asking to show up proof of Canadian residency (my US visa says: Canadian Permanent Resident). You might get denied, not that you will, but I wouldn't take chances
Depends on the country of your original passport. Certain countries e.g. India don't allow dual citizenship and would not be too happy if you travelled on their passport after acquiring a new citizenship.
I do not know the rules for traveling to the U.S. Again, rules about traveling to the U.S. are about what the U.S. authorities require.
Not sure why @Lex2019 keeps referring you to CBSA. Again, whether you can enter the U.S. is NOT a Canadian question, not a question for Canadian authorities. It is about what the U.S. authorities require.
If your question is whether the U.S. will allow you to enter based on your status as a Canadian citizen, that still depends on U.S. rules not Canadian, and again is not a question for CBSA. Without a Canadian passport, what other passport you are carrying, including passport entries showing authorization to enter the U.S., will almost certainly dictate whether you can travel to the U.S. And again, that is about U.S. rules, not a question that can be properly answered by Canadian authorities . . . CBSA or otherwise.
If your question is about applying for Canadian documentation while you are still in the U.S., this too is NOT a CBSA question but, rather, a question for IRCC. Depends on what documentation you are applying for.
If Your Question is About Returning to Canada:
Reminder: What you need to return to Canada is not complicated.
If you plan to fly back to Canada: you will need either a valid Canadian passport or "special authorization" (specifically for Canadian citizens abroad without a Canadian passport who have a flight booked to take place in less than ten days).
Or you can re-enter Canada via land border PoE: AGAIN, and notwithstanding border control rules due to Covid-19, you can re-enter Canada by land, since as a Canadian citizen you have a fundamental right to enter Canada. No special documentation needed to do this, just sufficient proof of identity.
(Note: there are some instances in which IRCC online information states that dual Canadian citizens "can only enter Canada" with a valid Canadian passport or special authorization. This is NOT really true, unless "special authorization" is understood to include getting permission to enter Canada at the PoE upon verification of identity and status. Where it states this on various IRCC webpages this is really about what a dual citizen needs to board commercial transportation headed to Canada, not what a Canadian citizen needs at a PoE in order to be allowed entry itself.)
I will reference and link the IRCC information for Canadian citizens abroad regarding obtaining proof of citizenship, a Canadian passport, or for those with a booked flight in less than ten days, information about obtaining the "special authorization" which will allow a Canadian citizen to board a flight headed to Canada. If you are going to be remaining abroad for a lengthy period of time, and thus have time to go through the procedures for obtaining a Canadian passport from abroad (which for you, without a certificate of citizenship, could be a bit complicated with a high risk for rather lengthy processing times), or you plan to avail yourself of the process for obtaining special authorization, see the information published by IRCC I reference and link below.
But it may make more sense to fly to a city near the Canadian border (such as Detroit or Buffalo), and complete the journey back to Canada across a land border.
Again, the latter is OK. Quarantine restrictions apply, but as long as the Canadian citizen can find a means to travel to a Canadian PoE, the Canadian citizen WILL BE ALLOWED TO ENTER, because a Canadian citizen has a fundamental right to enter (and this is practically true for Canadian PRs as well, except the "right" to enter derives from statute).
LINKS to Relevant IRCC Information:
Some IRCC information online which addresses various aspects of this, including in particular information about applying for proof of citizenship, passports, and special authorization, can be found at the following webpages
Find out if you are eligible for a special authorization to board your flight to Canada, see https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/visit-canada/dual-canadian-citizens-visit-canada.html#findOut
Get proof of citizenship, see https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/proof-citizenship.html
Apply for a Canadian citizenship certificate: About the process, see https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/proof-citizenship/about.html
Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Citizenship, see https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/coronavirus-covid19/citizenship.html
Also see https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=1100&top=23
Also see links to additional information in the webpages above.
Again, note that in these webpages there are instances in which it states that a citizen needs either a valid Canadian passport or special authorization to enter Canada . . . that is about documenting authorization to enter Canada as needed by travelers flying back to Canada, NOT about what a citizen needs at the PoE. A citizen arriving at a PoE does not need a Canadian passport or special authorization to be allowed into Canada.
I do not follow . . . since your post saying to "call CBSA" was addressing "US immigration is ALWAYS asking to show up proof of Canadian residency."
Otherwise, as I noted (and no opinion necessary, since this is actually very basic and well-documented information not opinion), for purposes of traveling back to Canada it is NOT complicated:
Citizens planning to fly back to Canada: Canadian citizens need either a valid Canadian passport or "special authorization" (specifically for Canadian citizens abroad without a Canadian passport who have a flight booked to take place in less than ten days) to board a flight headed to Canada. Documented in numerous IRCC webpages (and in some CBSA pages as well as the primary IRCC pages).
Or Canadian citizens can re-enter Canada via land border PoE: If a Canadian citizen can travel to a land crossing PoE, all the citizen needs to do is establish identity (and border officials can then verify citizenship status in GCMS); this is well documented in PDIs and the Operational Manuals governing PoE examinations and procedures, not to mention Section 6.(1) in the Charter of Rights.
Beyond that it is IRCC, NOT CBSA, that Canadian citizens, whether in Canada or abroad, need to contact for purposes of obtaining certificate of citizenship, Canadian passport, or "special authorization" for boarding a flight to Canada without presenting a valid Canadian passport (the latter is only available if flight to Canada is within the ten days).
The sentences are divided by a full stop. That semantically means that each of them can and does contain a different message. If the individual travelling gets denied boarding on the way out by the US at pre-screening in Pearson that is quite straightforward. The trip doesn't happen. If, however, the person does get cleared to board the flight then the next immigration officer they will see will be a CBSA officer on the way back (there will likely be one more US immigration check at the US airport, just like they do in Logan on the way back, which I have no idea how the individual will pass without a valid PR card or a Canadian passport), not a IRCC person, but CBSA one. Give or take it is best calling the authorities and seek advice from them rather than reading lengthy explanations from the forum that have no legal application to both Canada and the US immigration authorities. I would at least not seek advice here. Maybe you would, but that is your decision