I got rejected after AIP, on eligbility reasons.

[ahmad jameel]

@Afrokk I am sorry it happened to you man. That's unfair.

Have not got any response on my application yet, but this scares me. Sad, It's happening to many others as well.

Please update us on the next steps.

 

[jaz112233]

Nothing to do with your travel history

Not having a travel history can weaken the application. this is some bs but given the track record of most south asian countries, people who leave dont usually come back.

 

[ahmad jameel]

@jigzyy reading through your comments, what I understand is that AIP and application advanced to next stage letter are two different things. Is that what you are trying to imply? Where application advanced to the next stage is nothing but an internal level advancement, which basically holds no value wrt final approval?

 

[jigzyy]

Exactly. I thought this is AIP as well initially, but looking at the letter, reading it over and over again and the refusals that happened to OP and some other students on this forum points to the fact that this letter is NOT AIP at all. It is pre-AIP of some kind. If you had 0% hope of getting an AIP before Sept 15, this makes it to 50%, that is the only purpose of this letter.. There are students who were outright refused in the preliminary eligibility stage, but this letter puts these students ahead of them at least BUT still not fully approved. Abu Dhabi is notorious for not approving visas for number of reasons, specially for TRV applications, students, visitors etc, that is why they still have the authority to refuse application even after this letter since the letter never mentioned Approval in Principle. I am also assuming now that there'll be rain of refusals in upcoming days. I really hope it changes to approval but, damn, this is rough.

This is specially not a good news for Pakistani students since they already have close to 81% refusal rate in past years (you can google and find data on it). SDS was suppose to make Canadian education lucrative for students but I guess, Covid happened and now everyone is in a mess now!

@jigzyy reading through your comments, what I understand is that AIP and application advanced to next stage letter are two different things. Is that what you are trying to imply? Where application advanced to the next stage is nothing but an internal level advancement, which basically holds no value wrt final approval?

 

[baroud92]

Exactly. I thought this is AIP as well initially, but looking at the letter, reading it over and over again and the refusals that happened to OP and some other students on this forum points to the fact that this letter is NOT AIP at all. It is pre-AIP of some kind. If you had 0% hope of getting an AIP before Sept 15, this makes it to 50%, that is the only purpose of this letter.. There are students who were outright refused in the preliminary eligibility stage, but this letter puts these students ahead of them at least BUT still not fully approved. Abu Dhabi is notorious for not approving visas for number of reasons, specially for TRV applications, students, visitors etc, that is why they still have the authority to refuse application even after this letter since the letter never mentioned Approval in Principle. I am also assuming now that there'll be rain of refusals in upcoming days. I really hope it changes to approval but, damn, this is rough.

This is specially not a good news for Pakistani students since they already have close to 81% refusal rate in past years (you can google and find data on it). SDS was suppose to make Canadian education lucrative for students but I guess, Covid happened and now everyone is in a mess now!

Basically what your saying is no one got an actual AIP till date? Only moved to the next part of stage 1??

 

[Muhammad_Umer]

RIP my friends.

Visa refused after AIP, on eligibility reasons. Never felt so hopeless as a Pakistani. Didn't defer. Didn't do anything that would make them reconsider my stage 1 approval.

IELTS: 8.0
Program: Bachelor's in CompSci, University of Windsor.

And yes, rejected on the same reasons they provide to everyone - especially after AIP.

Yes, I applied under SDS. I have no previous refusals. My medical and biometrics passed months ago. No criminal record, nothing.

dear same is the case with me,
My name is , and i did apply for a study permit to Canada under the SDS system. First, i received approval in principle to start online classes, but later on, i received a refusal from IRCC.
There are the following allegations written for my refusal.

Dear , Thank you for your interest in studying in Canada. After careful review of your study permit application and supporting documentation, I have determined that your application does not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) and Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR). I am refusing your application on the following grounds:
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your current employment situation.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your family ties in Canada and in your country of residence.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the limited employment prospects in your country of residence.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your travel history. You are welcome to reapply if you feel that you can respond to these concerns and can demonstrate that your situation meets the requirements.
All new applications must be accompanied by a new processing fee.

Now I need your help; please let me know if u can guide me regarding these. allegations
Thank you

 

[ahmad jameel]

Exactly. I thought this is AIP as well initially, but looking at the letter, reading it over and over again and the refusals that happened to OP and some other students on this forum points to the fact that this letter is NOT AIP at all. It is pre-AIP of some kind. If you had 0% hope of getting an AIP before Sept 15, this makes it to 50%, that is the only purpose of this letter.. There are students who were outright refused in the preliminary eligibility stage, but this letter puts these students ahead of them at least BUT still not fully approved. Abu Dhabi is notorious for not approving visas for number of reasons, specially for TRV applications, students, visitors etc, that is why they still have the authority to refuse application even after this letter since the letter never mentioned Approval in Principle. I am also assuming now that there'll be rain of refusals in upcoming days. I really hope it changes to approval but, damn, this is rough.

This is specially not a good news for Pakistani students since they already have close to 81% refusal rate in past years (you can google and find data on it). SDS was suppose to make Canadian education lucrative for students but I guess, Covid happened and now everyone is in a mess now!

That's one way of looking at it and it makes sense. Going through the different threads over the past weeks, I saw many applications were distributed in Edmonton, or Ottowa, which were supposed to be in India or Abu Dhabi otherwise. Due to the limited resource at hand and overall limited activity in the world, they might have difficulties in the verification of the documents. As things are getting back to normal, at least in Pakistan, probably response time will change, and as you suggested a rain of refusals because it's Abu Dhabi.

I wonder, did anyone received a letter actually saying "approval in principle"? (If you come across any) It'd be interesting to know.

Regarding the refusal rate thing, I am aware of the high refusal rate. And despite SDS, things are looking bad. I came across people with reasonable profile getting approval in pre-corona days — God knows life is so un-predictable after COVID. Seeing people with good profiles getting through this makes me sad. Being an applicant myself, it makes me worried.

I have a decent profile, applied for SDS hoping visa would be an easy process with this and all. It has been 3 months, no update, only three ghost updates last week. Now, seeing this makes me reconsider my decision. I should have applied at other places as well. Seems like a waste of time, money, and energy at this moment. As a master's applicant, it's going to just add delays and postponed things in life. But Covid yeah!

 

[jigzyy]

Basically what your saying is no one got an actual AIP till date? Only moved to the next part of stage 1??

No. People have received AIPs for different countries. What makes it interesting for Pakistani students is that, they are receiving this type of letter first and then files are transferred to Abu Dhabi for further processing.. and at that stage they are just refusing applications. Someone just posted a refusal just now

 

[jigzyy]

That's one way of looking at it and it makes sense. Going through the different threads over the past weeks, I saw many applications were distributed in Edmonton, or Ottowa, which were supposed to be in India or Abu Dhabi otherwise. Due to the limited resource at hand and overall limited activity in the world, they might have difficulties in the verification of the documents. As things are getting back to normal, at least in Pakistan, probably response time will change, and as you suggested a rain of refusals because it's Abu Dhabi.

I wonder, did anyone received a letter actually saying "approval in principle"? (If you come across any) It'd be interesting to know.

Regarding the refusal rate thing, I am aware of the high refusal rate. And despite SDS, things are looking bad. I came across people with reasonable profile getting approval in pre-corona days — God knows life is so un-predictable after COVID. Seeing people with good profiles getting through this makes me sad. Being an applicant myself, it makes me worried.

I have a decent profile, applied for SDS hoping visa would be an easy process with this and all. It has been 3 months, no update, only three ghost updates last week. Now, seeing this makes me reconsider my decision. I should have applied at other places as well. Seems like a waste of time, money, and energy at this moment. As a master's applicant, it's going to just add delays and postponed things in life. But Covid yeah!

I understand your frustration, but there is silver lining for you in this. You have applied for Masters, there's a chance that your visa will be approved eventually. I have also noticed a trend where they are accepting Masters and PhD students but refusing others. I am still baffled why they refused OP with Bachelors degree in University. I am pretty sure that they are just clearing backlogs for next batch. Students re-apply regardless of refusals, that's why Abu Dhabi VO is not too worried about losing students. Many have Winter / Fall 2021 session already in place.

 

[jigzyy]

Aslaam Alaykum dear same is the case with me,
My name is Muhammad Umer, and i did apply for a study permit to Canada under the SDS system. First, i received approval in principle to start online classes, but later on, i received a refusal from IRCC.
There are the following allegations written for my refusal.

Dear MUHAMMAD UMER, Thank you for your interest in studying in Canada. After careful review of your study permit application and supporting documentation, I have determined that your application does not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) and Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR). I am refusing your application on the following grounds:
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your current employment situation.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your family ties in Canada and in your country of residence.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the limited employment prospects in your country of residence.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your travel history. You are welcome to reapply if you feel that you can respond to these concerns and can demonstrate that your situation meets the requirements.
All new applications must be accompanied by a new processing fee.

Now I need your help; please let me know if u can guide me regarding these. allegations
Thank you

When did you get initial next stage letter and refusal?

 

[baroud92]

No. People have received AIPs for different countries. What makes it interesting for Pakistani students is that, they are receiving this type of letter first and then files are transferred to Abu Dhabi for further processing.. and at that stage they are just refusing applications. Someone just posted a refusal just now

May I ask how is the letter he got different than the AIP letter? Thank you

 

[Muhammad_Umer]

When did you get initial next stage letter and refusal?

AIP ON AUGUST 13 AND REFUSAL ON 3 SEP?
I AM TOTALLY LOST WHAT TO DO NOW ANYONE GUIDE PLEASE?

 

[jigzyy]

May I ask how is the letter he got different than the AIP letter? Thank you

Different processing offices, different format. But I think now that IRCC had time to sort out processing issues and the format, they have updated letters from Approval in Principle to "Moved on to the next stage" which still gives them to option to refuse an application. Because AIP means that they can't refuse you on the grounds of eligibility. Applications are distributed across different offices meant, a person sitting in Edmonton can't actually verify the eligibility AND admissibility of a student living Pakistan or India. Similarly few applications were routed to Ho Chi Minh or Beijing, they cant make a decision for other countries students based on the documents provided, since they haven't dealt them in the past. That may have been the reason that IRCC has updated processing and letter to just send out "Moved on to next stage" and let the actual Visa office dealing the country finalize the application. A lot of VACs are now operational around the world so they have the option to assign the applications back to the Visa Office for processing.

Seems like, CPC Edmonton/Ottawa are just checking basic eligibility, for example, all documents are uploaded and available, nothing is expired or out of line, student met SDS or Non-SDS category requirement etc.. proposed study plan in-line with past study and or experience etc.. Based on this, they may just add internal notes for the actual Visa officers to look at when reassigned to them.

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All of these thoughts are my personal understanding of the process, there's a complete 100% chance that I may be wrong about these. Do not take my words as the words of IRCC. It's just my experience and understanding on the visa process after dealing it for different applications for number of years now.

 

[jigzyy]

AIP ON AUGUST 13 AND REFUSAL ON 3 SEP?
I AM TOTALLY LOST WHAT TO DO NOW ANYONE GUIDE PLEASE?

Order GCMS notes and see what are the reasons for refusal.

 

[Muhammad_Umer]

When did you get initial next stage letter and refusal?