How to ensure your child does not get Canadian citizenship?

[tracker_01]

And OP should be careful someone doesn't report him to competent child protection authorities for conspiring to deprive a minor Canadian citizen of his/her rights as a Canadian.

This is way way off topic. Let's stick to original question please. Thanks.

 

[marcus66502]

This whole thread is bizarre in the extreme!

"How can i prevent my child having Canadian citizenship at birth so he can exit Country X freely when he wants to visit it?"

Are you kidding me? Pregnant mothers make the journey to Canada give birth here so their child can be Canadian by birth. You want the opposite outcome.

There is nothing off topic in what's been said here. The child will be Canadian by birth as per the 2009 law no matter where he is born if one parent has Canadian citizenship by naturalization at the time of the child's birth.

But it's not as if Country X authorities are going to engage in scholarly research about Canadian law to determine the child's status in Canada, are they? In fact, will they even care about Canadian law? How will they determine the child has Canadian citizenship? Most likely from two things: (1) the fact that you'll tell them, and (2) the fact that the child will be exiting the country to live in Canada permanently.

It's so ridiculously absurd on your part to bring up court cases that have nothing to do with your concern. This is another thing that tells me you're just trying to sound scholarly here. dpenabill hit the nail on the head: usually what Country X determines about the status of the child in Canada has very little to do with the complexities of Canadian law. And unfortunately, nobody here can tell you how Country X authorities will treat your case or how they're going to enforce their own law.

We've already told you that as far as Canadian law is concerned, the child will be a Canadian citizen. You said that's just my opinion. If that's what you think, then opinions is all we have in here so we have to leave it at that. There can be no further argument if all sides dig themselves in behind their immutable opinions.

 

[thecoolguysam]

Dear marcus66502,

Please stop spreading misleading information. I already stated that when child born in Country X, he will have their citizenship and can safely leave using Country X's passport. However, when he comes to Canada, he is has to use either a) Canadian Passport if he is citizen b)PR card if he can get one + Country X passport.

Now, the issue becomes when child visits Country X next time, because if child is Canadian, border officials are going to find out, because he will not have any entry exit stamps in his Country X passport. As such, they are not going to let him leave, until one of the Citizenships renounced (i.e. stops being dual citizen because it is not allowed by law).

That is why it is important for me to find out if child is Canadian citizen or not. If he is not, then I can get PR card for him, if he is, then I cannot.

Title of the thread is valid, don't make up stories that are not true please.

Finally, I already shared with you, via private message, what Country X is. You can read for yourself and if you have question, please send it via private message to avoid misleading the public.

Applying for child as a PR is not a right option. You need to get the citizenship certificate from CIC for your child and then apply for child's Canadian passport. That is the right way. Don't try to create unnecessary hassle for yourself.

 

[tracker_01]

This whole thread is bizarre in the extreme!

"How can i prevent my child having Canadian citizenship at birth so he can exit Country X freely when he wants to visit it?"

Are you kidding me? Pregnant mothers make the journey to Canada give birth here so their child can be Canadian by birth. You want the opposite outcome.

There is nothing off topic in what's been said here. The child will be Canadian by birth as per the 2009 law no matter where he is born if one parent has Canadian citizenship by naturalization at the time of the child's birth.

But it's not as if Country X authorities are going to engage in scholarly research about Canadian law to determine the child's status in Canada, are they? In fact, will they even care about Canadian law? How will they determine the child has Canadian citizenship? Most likely from two things: (1) the fact that you'll tell them, and (2) the fact that the child will be exiting the country to live in Canada permanently.

It's so ridiculously absurd on your part to bring up court cases that have nothing to do with your concern. This is another thing that tells me you're just trying to sound scholarly here. dpenabill hit the nail on the head: usually what Country X determines about the status of the child in Canada has very little to do with the complexities of Canadian law. And unfortunately, nobody here can tell you how Country X authorities will treat your case or how they're going to enforce their own law.

We've already told you that as far as Canadian law is concerned, the child will be a Canadian citizen. You said that's just my opinion. If that's what you think, then opinions is all we have in here so we have to leave it at that. There can be no further argument if all sides dig themselves in behind their immutable opinions.

You already stated your opinion, and yes it is just your opinion. So, there is no need for you to continue posting same thing unless you are writing something new or substantiating your opinion with new evidence. Finally, please don't get personal with your remarks. Keep respectful nature. Thanks.

 

[links18]

This is way way off topic. Let's stick to original question please. Thanks.

Well, that would be that any future child you have will be a Canadian citizen the second it is born and there is nothing you can do about it, except renounce your Canadian citizenship before its born. You can tell country X whatever BS legal theory you want about the child's status under Canadian law and maybe they will buy it and give it a passport, but as far as Canada is concerned the child will be it's citizen and it is entitled to Canadian consular protections. Still, trying to hoodwink your home country is one thing, if you were to lie to your child and try to hide from it its rights as a Canadian, that's an entirely different level of moral turpitude.

 

[marcus66502]

You already stated your opinion, and yes it is just your opinion. So, there is no need for you to continue posting same thing unless you are writing something new or substantiating your opinion with new evidence. Finally, please don't get personal with your remarks. Keep respectful nature. Thanks.

The evidence is the 2009 Citizenship Act and like I said I'm not going to find the link for you. I do remember personally reading a summary of its provisions on the CIC website back when it had just come into effect and it said precisely what I've already told you so many times: Your child will be Canadian at birth if he's born to a naturalized Canadian.

There is no need for you to have opened this thread in the first place, when you know damn well that

(a) Country X authorities don't give a damn about Canada's citizenship laws or your legal theories about the child's status in Canada; and
(b) How they deal with your case will be as unpredictable as the weather in the tropics.

There is nothing personal here. I've been giving it to you straight up as I see it (and as I suspect you know to be the case). If you want to spend your days engaging in academic discussion, law school would be the right place, not this forum.

 

[tracker_01]

The evidence is the 2009 Citizenship Act and like I said I'm not going to find the link for you. I do remember personally reading a summary of its provisions on the CIC website back when it had just come into effect and it said precisely what I've already told you so many times: Your child will be Canadian at birth if he's born to a naturalized Canadian.

There is no need for you to have opened this thread in the first place, when you know damn well that

(a) Country X authorities don't give a damn about Canada's citizenship laws or your legal theories about the child's status in Canada; and
(b) How they deal with your case will be as unpredictable as the weather in the tropics.

There is nothing personal here. I've been giving it to you straight up as I see it (and as I suspect you know to be the case). If you want to spend your days engaging in academic discussion, law school would be the right place, not this forum.

Again, you didn't add anything new to your previous assertions. I have already noted your opinion, for which I thank you. However, no need to crowd this forum with unnecessary and repeating posts. Thanks.

 

[screech339]

The evidence is the 2009 Citizenship Act and like I said I'm not going to find the link for you. I do remember personally reading a summary of its provisions on the CIC website back when it had just come into effect and it said precisely what I've already told you so many times: Your child will be Canadian at birth if he's born to a naturalized Canadian.

There is no need for you to have opened this thread in the first place, when you know damn well that

(a) Country X authorities don't give a damn about Canada's citizenship laws or your legal theories about the child's status in Canada; and
(b) How they deal with your case will be as unpredictable as the weather in the tropics.

There is nothing personal here. I've been giving it to you straight up as I see it (and as I suspect you know to be the case). If you want to spend your days engaging in academic discussion, law school would be the right place, not this forum.

One issue I like to bring up is the eTA travel issue. As of September 30, all foreign nationals must apply for and hold valid electronic travel authorization (eTA). If OP managed to get Country X to give citizenship to child without knowing about Canadian citizenship, the child cannot travel to Canada as Canadians are not eligible to get eTA. This would mean the child has no choice but to use Canadian Passport to enter Canada. Country X is going to know that child has Canadian Citizenship the moment the child leaves Country X with Canadian Passport. Prior to eTA mandate, a dual citizen would be able to leave country with native passport and enter Canada with Canadian Passport. Now with eTA in place, the child won't be able to do this. Country X is going to know the child has another citizenship, the moment the child leaves and realized they have been duped by OP's actions.

 

[tracker_01]

Well, that would be that any future child you have will be a Canadian citizen the second it is born and there is nothing you can do about it, except renounce your Canadian citizenship before its born. You can tell country X whatever BS legal theory you want about the child's status under Canadian law and maybe they will buy it and give it a passport, but as far as Canada is concerned the child will be it's citizen and it is entitled to Canadian consular protections. Still, trying to hoodwink your home country is one thing, if you were to lie to your child and try to hide from it its rights as a Canadian, that's an entirely different level of moral turpitude.

First of all you are again way off topic. Second, what are you talking about? If I'm right (i.e. child has right to citizenship), then this right can be exercised any time. There is no expiry date on this right. Let's stick to main point please. You think I'm wrong. That is fair enough. Unless you are willing to add something new with respect to my original question (i.e. is child automatically citizen or only has right to citizenship) then please do not crowd this forum with unnecessary comments. Thanks.

 

[screech339]

First of all you are again way off topic. Second, what are you talking about? If I'm right (i.e. child has right to citizenship), then this right can be exercised any time. There is no expiry date on this right. Let's stick to main point please. You think I'm wrong. That is fair enough. Unless you are willing to add something new with respect to my original question (i.e. is child automatically citizen or only has right to citizenship) then please do not crowd this forum with unnecessary comments. Thanks.

That's the problem with you. You think "right to citizenship" and automatic citizenship are two difference scenarios. Automatic citizenship and right to citizenship are the same thing.

 

[tracker_01]

Hypothetical scenario:
Adam is born in USA to a naturalized Canadian father. Adam has always used his US citizenship. His father never advised Canadian authorities of his birth and never applied for proof of citizenship. Adam has special expertise that Canadian government needs in one of their overseas mission in UK. While Adam (now 35 years old) was working in 2016 for Canadian government in UK, he has a child Emily.

Question 1: If Adam, who now 35 years old, applies for Canadian citizenship, will he get it? Answer is of course yes, because he is son of a naturalized citizen.
Question 2: If Adam applied to Emily’s Canadian citizenship, will he get it? Is Emily automatically Canadian at birth, or just has right to Canadian Citizenship? or will her application be rejected because Adam was not Canadian citizen when Emily was born?

For those who do not know, 2009 Citizenship Act allows 1st generation Canadians to pass their citizenship to their children born abroad provided that they were working for Canadian government at the time. For arguments sake, let’s assume that Adam fits this criteria.

 

[ttrajan]

Let your child stays in X country, then child will not get Canadian citizenship.

 

[screech339]

Hypothetical scenario:
Adam is born in USA to a naturalized Canadian father. Adam has always used his US citizenship. His father never advised Canadian authorities of his birth and never applied for proof of citizenship. Adam has special expertise that Canadian government needs in one of their overseas mission in UK. While Adam (now 35 years old) was working in 2016 for Canadian government in UK, he has a child Emily.

Question 1: If Adam, who now 35 years old, applies for Canadian citizenship, will he get it? Answer is of course yes, because he is son of a naturalized citizen.
Question 2: If Adam applied to Emily’s Canadian citizenship, will he get it? Is Emily automatically Canadian at birth, or just has right to Canadian Citizenship? or will her application be rejected because Adam was not Canadian citizen when Emily was born?

For those who do not know, 2009 Citizenship Act allows 1st generation Canadians to pass their citizenship to their children born abroad provided that they were working for Canadian government at the time. For arguments sake, let’s assume that Adam fits this criteria.

Question 1: Yes Adam will get it because he is son of naturalized citizen. Like your future baby.

Question 2: Emily will get citizenship because Adam was working for Canadian government as a diplomat. Working for Canadian Government outside Canada = living and working on Canadian soil. Adam does not pass on citizenship to Emily. Emily gets Canadian citizenship automatically because Adam was a diplomat as though she was born on Canadian soil. Again Right to Citizenship = Automatic citizenship.

 

[links18]

First of all you are again way off topic. Second, what are you talking about? If I'm right (i.e. child has right to citizenship), then this right can be exercised any time. There is no expiry date on this right. Let's stick to main point please. You think I'm wrong. That is fair enough. Unless you are willing to add something new with respect to my original question (i.e. is child automatically citizen or only has right to citizenship) then please do not crowd this forum with unnecessary comments. Thanks.

I don't care if I am topic. I am not quite sure what you are up to and I am getting concerned about the welfare of a potential future fellow Canadian. I sure hope you wouldn't try to hide your child's Canadian citizenship from it. If that is not what you are planning, I apologize--but it would infuriate me to know there are Canadians out there in the world who do not realize it, because their parents have a cultural agenda to attend to.

 

[thecoolguysam]

Hypothetical scenario:
Adam is born in USA to a naturalized Canadian father. Adam has always used his US citizenship. His father never advised Canadian authorities of his birth and never applied for proof of citizenship. Adam has special expertise that Canadian government needs in one of their overseas mission in UK. While Adam (now 35 years old) was working in 2016 for Canadian government in UK, he has a child Emily.

Question 1: If Adam, who now 35 years old, applies for Canadian citizenship, will he get it? Answer is of course yes, because he is son of a naturalized citizen.
Question 2: If Adam applied to Emily’s Canadian citizenship, will he get it? Is Emily automatically Canadian at birth, or just has right to Canadian Citizenship? or will her application be rejected because Adam was not Canadian citizen when Emily was born?

For those who do not know, 2009 Citizenship Act allows 1st generation Canadians to pass their citizenship to their children born abroad provided that they were working for Canadian government at the time. For arguments sake, let’s assume that Adam fits this criteria.

The question for the hypothetical question: If Adam applies to work for Canadian Mission abroad, did he apply after getting his canadian citizenship certificate and canadian passport or using his US Citizenship paperwork like US passport? If he is applying on the basis of US Citizenship, i suppose he is inviting unnecessary hurdles in future because he did not disclose his canadian citizenship knowingly to obtain work permit to work for canadian mission abroad.

I am not quite sure if foreign nationals can work abroad in Canadian missions. I suppose Canadian PRs and Canadian Citizens can.