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CdnandTrini said:
Habibti - Welding is a very well paid job with a good future. Is there some way you could find out about small business loans for new immigrants. Or at least get you hubby to do some research on it. By the way it is ILLEGAL for employers to ask for "Canadian" experience or deny a person an opportunity because they do have not "Canadian Experience". Make sure your husband knows how to navigate that type of discrimination in job situations. Blessings to you both and your posts are interesting to read simply as relationship issues for couples even without the immigration layer. ;D
My husband took a welder course when he was in Morocco as he would like to work in that field, but the college here told him his certificate is not recognized here in Canada. I think the welding course would be 6 months or maybe longer, not sure... but if he goes to school for a longer period of time, it is certain I am going to lose my car or worst my house. There is also the possibility to take it part-time once he gets a job after his 6-week course. We will look into that eventually. Skills Connect told him that they finance 1/3 of the course. It is impossible I finance 2/3 of it. We have a hard time to buy groceries as before. We also have to check avaibilities at BCIT (British Columbia Institute of Technology) as there might be a waiting list. My son wanted to go to this college for the electrician course but there was a 2 years waiting.

Thanks for the blessings! :D
 

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Reply: Foreign Credential Recognition - Welding

Habibti said:
My husband took a welder course when he was in Morocco as he would like to work in that field, but the college here told him his certificate is not recognized here in Canada. I think the welding course would be 6 months or maybe longer, not sure... but if he goes to school for a longer period of time, it is certain I am going to lose my car or worst my house. There is also the possibility to take it part-time once he gets a job after his 6-week course. We will look into that eventually. Skills Connect told him that they finance 1/3 of the course. It is impossible I finance 2/3 of it. We have a hard time to buy groceries as before. We also have to check avaibilities at BCIT (British Columbia Institute of Technology) as there might be a waiting list. My son wanted to go to this college for the electrician course but there was a 2 years waiting.

Thanks for the blessings! :D
There is a Canadian welding association with provincial chapters and and there is also an office that reviews foreign credentials to Cdn. requirements - http://www.cicic.ca/684/Welders_and_Related_Machine_Operators.canada?noc=7237. It is possible that the College is not exploring all of his rights and options. In addition, he could probably work part time while he is taking his welding course which would pay a lot more than most other part-time jobs.

If he has some experience and is interested, leave no stone unturned in seeing if he can create a pathway to this. My experience is that too many of us do not push forward when we lose our confidence a bit and this is exactly when we need to re-double our efforts to become successful. Best wishes.
 

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Everyone goes through these tough times Habibti, you are definitely not alone. That's why it is great to have boards like this to share anonymously yet have the same situations to draw on. I have faith that things will turn out just fine in the end. He definitely must explore all his options with schooling. Can he get OSAP? This would help pay for the bills in the mean time. Like CdnandTrini said...he might be able to get some credit for having the course from Morocco. I would explore all the options fully.

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Thanks again for the replies! It is not necessary to ask for funds as his course is free and short. In 6 weeks, he will be finished. This course is called "Introduction to Skills". It is the basic course students are obliged to take before they choose a specialty such as welding, plumbing, electricity, carpentry, etc. We are now discussing for what will happen after this 6 weeks course. It is reassuring to know that the college's commitment is to find employment for each of them (they are 13 in the class). Chances are that my husband will get work and we are contemplating this idea: he might take the welding course part-time on top of his job. It is the whole day every Saturday.

That is true I am not alone and the goal of this thread is to get support so I can have a more relaxed attitude (more understanding) towards my husband. The other goal is to make spouses aware of what they can expect after landing.

Today I sent a text message to my husband telling him that I feel more calm about the idea of him going to school and that we will make it through. I think my husband fell in love all over again with me lol as when I got home I had the most loving passionate husband ;)

So, for the next two months, I will have to deal with my creditors and the bank. I will just make them wait :)
 

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Habibti said:
Thanks again for the replies! It is not necessary to ask for funds as his course is free and short. In 6 weeks, he will be finished. This course is called "Introduction to Skills". It is the basic course students are obliged to take before they choose a specialty such as welding, plumbing, electricity, carpentry, etc. We are now discussing for what will happen after this 6 weeks course. It is reassuring to know that the college's commitment is to find employment for each of them (they are 13 in the class). Chances are that my husband will get work and we are contemplating this idea: he might take the welding course part-time on top of his job. It is the whole day every Saturday.

That is true I am not alone and the goal of this thread is to get support so I can have a more relaxed attitude (more understanding) towards my husband. The other goal is to make spouses aware of what they can expect after landing.

Today I sent a text message to my husband telling him that I feel more calm about the idea of him going to school and that we will make it through. I think my husband fell in love all over again with me lol as when I got home I had the most loving passionate husband ;)

So, for the next two months, I will have to deal with my creditors and the bank. I will just make them wait :)
lol.....good for you and hubby too! We were referring to the more expensive welding course/training - not the 6 week course. By the way if you have any credit cards (you mentioned your good credit rating I think in a previous post) call them and tell them you want a lower interest rate or you will switch. Most people don't know this but if you are a good customer they will do it immediately and over the phone. Also if you own your home you can easily revise your mortgage payment (if you are on an accelerated payment rate) to monthly and that will also minimize stress. As long as you make minimum payments to your bills or phone them (creditors) and make a payment plan that they can record on their file, they will help you and it will not affect your credit rating. Speaking from experience ;D
 

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CdnandTrini said:
lol.....good for you and hubby too! We were referring to the more expensive welding course/training - not the 6 week course. By the way if you have any credit cards (you mentioned your good credit rating I think in a previous post) call them and tell them you want a lower interest rate or you will switch. Most people don't know this but if you are a good customer they will do it immediately and over the phone. Also if you own your home you can easily revise your mortgage payment (if you are on an accelerated payment rate) to monthly and that will also minimize stress. As long as you make minimum payments to your bills or phone them (creditors) and make a payment plan that they can record on their file, they will help you and it will not affect your credit rating. Speaking from experience ;D
Oh! the 6 weeks course is NOT the welding course. It is called "Introduction to Skills". It is the course they have to take BEFORE enrolling in the welding course or any other course like the electrician course. Once he finishes this course, he will possibly take the welding course (part-time) at BCIT. Skills Connect told him they would pay one-third of it.

The rate on my credit card is quite low. Yes, I am planning to make minimum payments :) Since the course is quite short, I won't bother with my mortgage. If it was a one-year or two-years course, I would have negotiated with my bank.

The thing is that I lost my second job (a very well-paid sideline) back in February. I would not have any worries if I still had this job. It is a blow that we did NOT expect. We really did not see that one coming! My husband's studying would not have not mattered to me as I used to earn enough money to support the two of us plus my son. It is funny to think it is because of this sideline I met him and a few days after he landed, I lost it. Life has a sense of humor. It seems this second job was like a surfing board that allowed me to meet my husband, marry him, visit him on five occasions and finance the appeal.
 

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After more than two months since my last post, I wish I could write I am on Lalaland with my husband. Not the case... Last night (5 months after landing), he told me he feels disheartened about our relationship and the fast pace and the decadence in America are seriously starting to affect him. Yesterday afternoon he failed his road test. He cannot accept the failure and the fact he lost $50 fee for the road test plus one day of wages. We had our first big fight one month after he landed, then we had fights every 2 or 3 weeks, then every week and these days it is every day! He said he cannot go another 5 months like this, otherwise our marriage will be doomed to end. We don't recognize each other! We have known each other for 5 years and we rarely had fights or disagreements or conflicts.

On top of that we have more and more serious money problems. He started working 6 weeks ago earning $12 an hour (exterior painting and window washing with a 40 feet ladder). I just applied for unemployment insurance as during summer schools are closed (I am part of the support staff, not a teacher). I am full of debts and I have a car and a mortgage to pay. I was told today my car is unfit and unsafe to drive (brakes, calipers, cylinders). I have to use the balance on my credit card... it will cost me close to $1000.

On top of that he has to endure my teenage son (does not pick after himself, wastes food, loud music, smell of weed, etc.). He misses his country, his friends and his family. He feels low spiritually (does not wake up before dawn to pray or/and misses the last prayer of the day as he falls asleep, has rarely the chance to go to mosque and to read the Koran).

To the reunited couples... is it normal to go through rough times the first year together? My heart is now bleeding. I have given too much...
 

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Habibti said:
After more than two months since my last post, I wish I could write I am on Lalaland with my husband. Not the case... Last night (5 months after landing), he told me he feels disheartened about our relationship and the fast pace and the decadence in America are seriously starting to affect him. Yesterday afternoon he failed his road test. He cannot accept the failure and the fact he lost $50 fee for the road test plus one day of wages. We had our first big fight one month after he landed, then we had fights every 2 or 3 weeks, then every week and these days it is every day! He said he cannot go another 5 months like this, otherwise our marriage will be doomed to end. We don't recognize each other! We have known each other for 5 years and we rarely had fights or disagreements or conflicts.
On top of that we have more and more serious money problems. He started working 6 weeks ago earning $12 an hour (exterior painting and window washing with a 40 feet ladder). I just applied for unemployment insurance as during summer schools are closed (I am part of the support staff, not a teacher). I am full of debts and I have a car and a mortgage to pay. I was told today my car is unfit and unsafe to drive (brakes, calipers, cylinders). I have to use the balance on my credit card... it will cost me close to $1000.
On top of that he has to endure my teenage son (does not pick after himself, wastes food, loud music, smell of weed, etc.). He misses his country, his friends and his family. He feels low spiritually (does not wake up before dawn to pray or/and misses the last prayer of the day as he falls asleep, has rarely the chance to go to mosque and to read the Koran).
To the reunited couples... is it normal to go through rough times the first year together? My heart is now bleeding. I have given too much...

Hi Habibti: You already given little too much! Your heart must be bleeding a lot. It is painful. We do right things for wrong persons emotionally or mistakenly. Irony of fate. I just think this is called destiny of life.
 

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I just went through the whole thread because the title caught my eye. I'm new to the forum.

Your story is very impacting and hopefully you'll find a solution. None of us is guaranteed that things will work out. And sometimes sadly they don't. :( And it's unfair, but you should have a peace of mind because it seems you did your best. No matter what happens in the future you conscience should be clear.

Best of luck to you because you deserve it.
 

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Well, I can't tell you from a similar culture perspective but I'm American and have been in Canada for 2 years and 2 months now.

I read this and I see a lot of what we've gone through and still do sometimes.

Culturally it's not very different from America to Canada, but at the same time I am from the south. The way family is and relationships and all is very different. I'm religious and am big on expression of emotions, etc.

Since being here in Canada I feel like I've lost touch with my religion. I quit praying, reading my bible, I haven't even attended church and I used to twice a week. I had quit thinking about it honestly, but reflecting on it I am reminded about how sad it makes me that I've lost so much touch with the world I've always known. It's not the same here. The churches are not the same as I'm used to something different, and most only find it in the south or deep south.

My partner is an introverted type and isn't very open with emotion and it has been a big point of conflict even to this day. He has slowly changed but in the beginning it was devastating. I felt so alone and even unloved! He would tell me he loves me, he would do things with me, but then there would be things that just didn't line up with MY understanding of a committed partnership for what I know a relationship to be. And with me being his first truly serious relationship, that didn't help either... but strangely enough, this is probably a positive as he can learn what works for what I'm culturally used to seeing.

Do we still fight and have issues? Yes, unfortunately we do lots. This whole immigration thing has really created a lot of debt and stress and such. Credit cards, and the fact he had to stop school only 1 year from finishing due to having to use school money on living because I can't work and he wouldn't work (he does now, but it took almost 2 years to get him to work steadily! He didn't want to go to school and work. This has caused numerous arguments.). I can't work a steady job here or have a car or anything yet. We're trying to save money for things and he's now working 2 jobs, barely sleeps. But I keep arguing that if he had been more responsible earlier then it wouldn't be so hard now and that it's hard to feel sympathy when he didn't care before (and he said so!). I know I shouldn't do that... I'm not trying to kick him while he's down, but I think he should know or at least acknowledge he knows more. He had gotten to the point of wanting to end the relationship a few times over our arguments because it's not how he thought it should be - but I come from a culture where women are strong and speak their mind. Southern American women are strong willed and can be loud mouthed :p

It's taken us 2 years to get to this point. We have arguments still, but truthfully it's getting better. And you know what? Only in the past month has it really started changing from the usual routine. I'm still lonely (I find this hard to say... I should be happy because I have him but I haven't seen my family since November 2011 and I've never gone more than 9 months without seeing them and that was only once). I still feel disconnected from who I was... but maybe it's time to change. It's still hard. Debt is hard. Not having money to even go out on dates or anything and knowing we won't for another year (we're saving for something that we aren't even sure we'll be able to have enough saved over the next 9 months for) is hard. And he gets depressed too. The idea that he has to work 2 jobs and can't get his degree and work a job that would keep him from doing 2 jobs is hard.

I cried a lot. I actually don't cry as much.. but that's because I've gotten a little numb on some subjects. I love my partner and he loves me. I've talked about leaving a lot because he wasn't doing right. He would play video games for hours and wouldn't be open with me or get a job and that is different from what the perception of him was when we first were together. I was so upset that now that I'm immigrating and gave up so much where I'm from that it was like this. He's the sponsor who's supposed to do the immigration stuff, I did it. I did the research and the papers and all... but that's because he's used to someone handling things. His mom always handled paperwork, financial things, etc for him. I was so angry, and still am that I shoulder the responsibilities. This kind of fits with my "control" mindset of making sure everything is a certain way, etc... but still upsets me that he expects it. He says he doesn't, but he just doesn't know what to do so it's dropped on me anyway. I'm fine with that if he'd be more open with me.

So with all that, we've been struggling through this since I've been in Canada. Is it fixed? No, still more shaping to go. Are we happy with each other? Yes, because we know each others hearts despite the confusion and stress. This might not have been the case a few months ago... I was almost ready to leave and it gave him a wake up call. He knows he hasn't done right by me, but he's younger than me and this is new to him so I try to understand. I just think after this long, it's not that new anymore and there's no excuses. I let him know that and now things are going in a better direction.

He wants to work, and knows he has to (doesn't want 2 jobs, but that's the boat we're in now since he wouldn't work before and I have to remind him of that). And he's more open now than before so while it's taken much longer than it probably would for others - and he's acknowledged that most women wouldn't have stuck around this long (maybe because I'm stubborn and love this man) - it's getting better.

I think if we weren't having to save, didn't have the credit card debt and he could work 1 job we'd only have to work on communication with one another and the rest wouldn't be pressing on us too. With that, the feelings I have about where I'm from and sadness would be eased. If we didn't have to save and the debt, etc I'd be able to go visit home more. I'm here temporarily but I've had extensions for the time... some might say why not just go back for awhile? Because we want to be together more, and want to save for future. It's weird, but still I get lonely. But unlike your husband, I want companionship and someone to talk to me and be there for me when I feel my sadness - I don't' want to be alone - and when he's a very closed and quiet type, I get upset.


Anyway, I just wanted to give you a perspective from someone who's come to Canada from a very different background. I've not even been approved and landed yet and this is what we've faced in our first 2 years living together. I'm thinking after landing and this situation with saving up is finished it'll be better. We press on with that hope.

This was very long winded and WOW I can't believe I said all this... it just started pouring out of me. I think I needed it myself. lol

Good luck to you!
 

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I'm a southern by choice (not birth) and I have to tell you, it was hard for me too.

I dealt with a lot of what you're going through with my first husband. Sadly, I had to put my foot down (after 7 years of being miserable ) before he put down the stupid games and paid attention to real life.

Now my new rule is - if you're going to ignore me, I'm going to ignore you back. Amazingly, I get a lot more attention now!

As far as church goes, just remember, as long as you carry God in your heart, that is what matters. I never cared for organized religion - so I've learned to deal on my own.
 

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amikety said:
I'm a southern by choice (not birth) and I have to tell you, it was hard for me too.

I dealt with a lot of what you're going through with my first husband. Sadly, I had to put my foot down (after 7 years of being miserable ) before he put down the stupid games and paid attention to real life.

Now my new rule is - if you're going to ignore me, I'm going to ignore you back. Amazingly, I get a lot more attention now!

As far as church goes, just remember, as long as you carry God in your heart, that is what matters. I never cared for organized religion - so I've learned to deal on my own.
Thank you... you actually have no idea. I've not been crying in a while but I actually started crying when I read this. It certainly feels so much better to know this is normal and that I'm not alone. (despite being here as long as I have I've not made friends because I'm not comfortable getting out and trying to find my way around the city - and no money)

http://www.deborahswallow.com/2010/05/15/the-classic-5-stage-culture-shock-model/ -- I read this... I never in my life thought I'd truly experience the real definition of culture shock... but I am. I'm caught in the middle, stage 3. Even fall back on the second stage sometimes. (I stayed in stage one for a long time - probably because of going to Muskoka and the city back and forth kept it new and exciting) I didn't think it was normal and it had me worried because it can actually be hard some days. I think I've been in this stage for roughly 4-5 months?
 

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The no money part is big... it takes away a lot of freedom. It can downright demeaning to have to ask permission to buy medicine if you're sick or money to buy new socks. (My first husband made sure I was always broke and poor so I couldn't leave him.)

Do you have transit where you live? Ask for a pack of bus tickets for a birthday/anniversary/Christmas/etc gift from a friend or in-laws. Ask for a gift card from another for a store you like. That way you can go out on your own and buy things on your own. That should help you feel less helpless. (Although it might become dangerously fun... :D )

If you're interested in doing online university, I can help you with that too. (Hopefully you filed taxes in the USA with a NRA spouse and listed no income for him.) School has been a saving grace for me.

God doesn't give us what we can't handle. He gives us what makes us stronger.
 

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amikety said:
The no money part is big... it takes away a lot of freedom. It can downright demeaning to have to ask permission to buy medicine if you're sick or money to buy new socks. (My first husband made sure I was always broke and poor so I couldn't leave him.)

Do you have transit where you live? Ask for a pack of bus tickets for a birthday/anniversary/Christmas/etc gift from a friend or in-laws. Ask for a gift card from another for a store you like. That way you can go out on your own and buy things on your own. That should help you feel less helpless. (Although it might become dangerously fun... :D )

If you're interested in doing online university, I can help you with that too. (Hopefully you filed taxes in the USA with a NRA spouse and listed no income for him.) School has been a saving grace for me.

God doesn't give us what we can't handle. He gives us what makes us stronger.
Well I do freelance illustration and the economy hasn't been the greatest so commissions have been slim (only enough for my input on bills and the thing we're saving for). I think asking for the bus tickets and stuff would be a great idea. I live in downtown Hamilton. I can go to stores and stuff, we go together lots and I love that. It's more of a wish I knew how to get out and make friends, lol. Almost 30 years old and have no idea how to make friends at my age since I'm not one for the club scene and I have no kids to meet other women like at the park/school/etc.

I've done school twice, but have thought about it again but not really sure to be honest. lol I know we both want him to do an online engineering course since he had to miss out on the other schooling - know anything good with that for Canadians?

"God doesn't give us what we can't handle. He gives us what makes us stronger."

Definitely got to remember that. Heard it before, but sometimes you just need a reminder. Thank you.
 

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I'm not familiar with the Canadian system yet. I just know being a visitor with no income gets you a nice Pell Grant with the USA. However, I'm not aware of any engineering schooling online. (My dad and two brothers are engineers of different types.) I would strongly encourage you to invest in you, though. Investing in you gives you the power to take care of yourself and those you care about.

I understand your pain trying to find friends without kids. All my friends have kids and sometimes all they talk about is kids. Bleck.

I do wish my husband I could do more things too. He doesn't like going anywhere except the Casino. Even just going for a walk around the block is too exciting for him. It gets very boring very quickly, then I get frustrated.