How does CIC tell if a relationship is real or fake

[Rob_TO]

Old man with very young looking woman, non attractive male with a supermodel, lack of emotion on faces, lack of physical contact in pictures, to name a few.

The alternate scenario happens also... I seem to remember a case where an older Canadian woman went on vacation (can't recall if Cuba or Mexico), a young good looking male worker from the resort was all over her, they got married and she sponsored him... and he took off shortly after arriving here.
There's lots of foreigners trying to take advantage of older/single Canadians. CIC does have a tough job in trying to sort out the real from the fake, and trying to protect not just other Canadian tax payers but the actual sponsor who could be getting duped.

 

[JRPW]

I met a close friend of mine while I was living and working as a translator in Japan. We have a lot in common: Both from Alberta, same interests, etc. About halfway through his contract, his father was diagnosed with terminal cancer. He left Japan and returned to Canada. After his father passed away, his mother had a very tough time. She started chatting with guys from Africa and India on dating sites. Eventually, she married an Indian after only meeting him once in person. She goes to India once (twice?) a year to visit him, paid for his university education and sponsored him for PR. She is in her 60s, he is in his 20s. My friend has contacted CIC to tell them not to let him in. I'm not making this up.

 

[Graihn]

The alternate scenario happens also... I seem to remember a case where an older Canadian woman went on vacation (can't recall if Cuba or Mexico), a young good looking male worker from the resort was all over her, they got married and she sponsored him... and he took off shortly after arriving here.
There's lots of foreigners trying to take advantage of older/single Canadians. CIC does have a tough job in trying to sort out the real from the fake, and trying to protect not just other Canadian tax payers but the actual sponsor who could be getting duped.

Well we differ 30 years, but I am Swedish, have a Master's degree, and have worked here in Canada legally as technical support before getting my degree and as a Production Manager, and I will be working in Sweden as a business consultant at a large consulting firm starting March.

Plus we're both super attractive. I mean, drop-dead gorgeous.

 

[JRPW]

Well we differ 30 years, but I am Swedish, have a Master's degree, and have worked here in Canada legally as technical support before getting my degree and as a Production Manager, and I will be working in Sweden as a business consultant at a large consulting firm starting March.

Plus we're both super attractive. I mean, drop-dead gorgeous.

Nothing wrong with that. Age is just a number. However, both you and your partner are from first world countries, highly educated and are drop-dead gorgeous! 8)

 

[Graihn]

Nothing wrong with that. Age is just a number. However, both you and your partner are from first world countries, highly educated and are drop-dead gorgeous! 8)

Lol, I just wanted to cut in and let everybody know of my good, blonde, looks.

 

[JRPW]

Lol, I just wanted to cut in and let everybody know of my good, blonde, looks.

Stop it! My wife is getting jealous!

 

[Desi-girl]

Old man with very young looking woman, non attractive male with a supermodel, lack of emotion on faces, lack of physical contact in pictures, to name a few.

Hmm... I still don't see how they can justify this.

Genetics play a big role. When I was a teenager, I looked like I was in my late 20s and now, people say I look too young for my age, sometimes they think I am a teenager...lol. Also doesn't help that I apparently sound like a 5 year old when I speak on the telephone because I have a very soft voice :-X.

Also, if you have money to spend, there is a whole world of Botox (thus the lack of facial expressions), implants, liposuction, etc where you can change your appearance and be more attractive. Like the movie actors always seem young no matter their age.

Physical contact can also be staged.

 

[Graihn]

Read the Toronto Star Article on the Topic:

thestar.com/news/immigration/2014/02/01/a_rare_look_inside_the_black_box_of_canada_immigration.html

This article was the reason the OP started this thread. He linked it in the first post

 

[lilops]

This really worries me, my hubbie and I are 6 years diff (27 - 33). He is Asian I'm latina girl (very rare couple). They said he is the beast and I'm the beauty. Still we love each others no matter age, race or looks. I think the VO really has a difficult job when they have to assess an application, it's like they have to look inside everyone hearts to know the truth and that's impossible.

 

[keesio]

6 years is not that big a deal. Maybe it gets a closer look since the wife is older but then again, 6 years is pretty much considered to be within the same age range. Big age difference is considered to be at least 10 years and more often like 20+

 

[JRPW]

This really worries me, my hubbie and I are 6 years diff (27 - 33). He is Asian I'm latina girl (very rare couple). They said he is the beast and I'm the beauty. Still we love each others no matter age, race or looks. I think the VO really has a difficult job when they have to assess an application, it's like they have to look inside everyone hearts to know the truth and that's impossible.

My wife is seven years older than I am (wife: 44, me: 37). I've always liked older women, plus I found Japanese women my age and younger to be mentality immature (when I was living in Japan). If you have enough proof that your relationship is genuine, you should be alright!

 

[Newbride]

Hi forum people, am very happy to write here for my first time. i have been reading both good and discouraging messages here for a whole week. But today i get strength to write also. I started in August 2013 and my husband received approved letter in September 2013. In November our file went in interview queue up to now but my husband write to Embassy in January 2014, reply was that my interview day will be communicated very soon. Now this week, i receive email that interview is March 2014 and it seems they need me to prove my marriage to my husband.
Yet our marriage is real, we love each other too much but how do i prove to interview visa officer?
Am very very worried. i read so many things here that causes to ask for interview and most of them are like in our file.
- met my husband online, we chat so so much about many things for 4 months
- after my husband comes to visit my home country for 4 days
- i go to his country with him we get married and stayed together 2weeks he goes to canada.
- he is divorced 7 years ago, but me i have never married before but have child from past friendship
- he is 18years olders me (me 32yrs and him 50years) but he looks very younger than his years.
- he has masters degree, i have 1 degree

so these are some of the things worrying me. so you think i will be approved at interview. Please forum help me on what to do on interviews. We love each other and we dont want anything to separate us becuase even waiting is so stressing. Thank you
yours'
Newbride

 

[zardoz]

When did you marry, and when did you submit your application?

 

[Newbride]

we met online dating in january 2013, we married June 2013 and application in August 2013. But sent many proofs of our chats on dating sites, emails, photos, moneygram reciepts, hotel reciepts when he visited my country, photos, e.t.c

 

[zardoz]

I can see why they are requiring an interview. From a visa officers point of view, this will all be raising a lot of red flags. The interview is to find out just how close, both in terms of emotions and knowledge, your relationship and subsequent marriage are. You will be expected to know a lot of very personal information about each other, just as a married couple should. There are some sample question lists on the board and I have listed some of them.

The last question on the list is usually "What will you do if I refuse this application?". You might want to think about the answer and consequences of a refusal.

Here are some of the questions that maybe asked during interview (Family Class - spousal sponsorship cases):

1. When and where did you meet your spouse for the first time?
2. How did you meet your spouse?
3. How old is your spouse? What is your spouse's birth date?
4. What does your spouse do for a living?
5. Where did your spouse go to school'?
6. What degrees or formal training does your spouse have?
7. How did your spouse immigrate to Canada?
8. Where does your spouse work?
9. What is the name of the company? What position does your spouse hold? How long has your spouse worked there?
10. What does the job entail?
I l. Does your spouse like his or her job?
12. What is the salary?
13. Where does your spouse live?
14. Whom does your spouse live with?
15. Where are you going to live when you go to Canada?
16. Please explain the type of relationship you have had since your first meeting.
17. What is your religion?
18. What is the religion of your spouse?
18. When you and your spouse were dating what would you do together?
19. Do you have any hobbies? Describe them.
20. Does your spouse have any hobbies? Describe them.
21. What type of music do you enjoy?
22. What type of music does your spouse enjoy?
23. What kind of movies do you enjoy?
24. What kind of movies does your spouse enjoy?
25. What kind of books do you read?
26. What kind of books does your spouse read?
27. Have you and your spouse ever exchanged gifts? Explain.
28. When and where did the marriage proposal take place?
29. Was your marriage arranged?
30. If it was arranged describe how it was arranged and by whom?
31. Did you have a ceremony celebrating your relationship?
32. Where was it held?
33. When was it held?
34. Describethe ceremony?
35. Did it conform to your own religious and cultural beliefs? Explain.
36. When did you get married?
37. Where did you get married?
38. Who was at the wedding?
39. What family members were there?
40. How many people were at the ceremony?
41. What day was the ceremony held on?
42. Who performed the ceremony?
43. Do you have pictures of the ceremony?
44. Who was at the ceremony from your side?
45. Who was at the ceremony from your spouse's side?
46. Were any friends present?
47. How many brothers and sisters does your spouse have?
48. Were your parents at the wedding? If not, why not?
49. Are your parents aware of the wedding? If not, why not?
50. Where your spouse's parents at the wedding? If not, why not?
51. Were your spouse's parents aware of the wedding? If not, why not?
52. Was a reception held? When and where was it held?
53. Who was present at the reception?
54. Did you receive any wedding gifts? Describe them.
55. Did you on a honeymoon? Where did you go and for how long?
56. Can you show me pictures and receipts from the honeymoon, wedding and reception?
57. Have you or your spouse been married before?
58. Why was that relationship dissolved?
59. Do you have any children from your current relationship or marriage?
60. How many children?
61. What are the names and birth dates?
62. Where are the children now?
63. Who looks after the children?
64. Do any other family members reside with you and your spouse? If yes, please indicate their names and relationship.
65. What relatives do you have in Canada?
66. What are their names and where do they live?
67. What relatives do you have outside of Canada?
68. Has your spouse met any of your relatives or friends? Who have they met and when did they meet them?
69. Have you met any of your spouse's relatives or friends? Whom have you met and when did you meet them?
70. In terms of education, would you say that you and your spouse's educational background are compatible?
71. What will you do when you go to Canada'?
72. Why did you marry your spouse?
73. Since your marriage have you seen your spouse? If not, why not?
74. Do your family members (parents, siblings) want to immigrate to Canada?
75. Did you marry your spouse so that you could sponsor your parents as landed immigrants of Canada?
76. How do you correspond with your spouse?
77. How often do you talk on the phone?
78. Do you have phone bills, e-mails, cards, etc., and can I see them?
79. Tell me why this marriage or relationship is genuine.
80. What makes your relationship with your spouse different from that of a female/male friend?
81. Does your spouse support you financially?
82. Do you support your spouse financially?
83. If I refuse this application what will you do?

There are some more here -> http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/chc-islamabad-spouse-sponsorship-timeline-2011-2012-t63735.0.html;msg2605909#msg2605909 (with a lot of repeats).