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armoured

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Did you apply common law? Did you already get your approval?
Married. (We had prepared to apply common law but admin barrier was resolved shortly before we'd applied. But living together for ages + kids)

Yes, already have approval and documents to travel.
 
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el_0211

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Visa Office......
Singapore
By the way, does anyone know which VO our app will get sent to? Since we are in Macau, it makes sense for it to go to HK. However, my partner (PA) is from Bangladesh. So will it go to VO of PA's residence (Macau/HK) or country of PA's passport? (Bangladesh, in this case Singapore VO)

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andrew3081

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I got a PFL but it was more of a request for more documents and I have 90 days to submit the extra documents..so I’m not sure what’s that all about..
 
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andrew3081

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What documents? What is the difference in pfl and what I got? I got adr?
They wanted documents for related to the birth of our daughter and the court case.

it stated on the letter “In order to continue processing your application, we require the following information and/or documentation”
 

dw33

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I will.respond to this after just running around town right now soing stuff. I appreciate everyones help
Like armoured noted yours will be looked at deeply because not married,more proof of bills and cohabiting. Also you are in Macau so they almost certain will throw this crap on you intent to immigrate. I hope they dont for you and it goes smoothly. With me I take it they believe our relationship. Married over five years and showedfair amount of stuff. Only thing they asked me for was marriage books I had submitted marriage license. So no big deal. Theu asked for last five years of passport travel because i stated numerous times I havent been home in fivd years, no big deal. But this horseshit with proof.to immigrate is unreal. I litterally am going to back them into a corner where I did everuthing they asked and more. Im paying rent in an apartment starting tomorrow.in.my wifes and my name. We are still in China likely for a few months, also both quit our jobs today with proper resignation letters. Also going to get funds home ans leave bare minimum here. Praying they pass us!
 

armoured

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What documents? What is the difference in pfl and what I got? I got adr?
A procedural fairness letter - there was an example here earlier in thread - has language that they have evaluated and believe the applicant is inadmissible due to [cite specific part of the regs] and you must provide docs to show otherwise or will be deemed inadmissible. An additional document request is just that - please provide some additional documents about such-and-such. (It can also say the sponsor is the issue, again, look at particular example)

PFL is obviously more serious. I believe in most cases an additional document request that isn't satisfied will just go slower and/or go to PFL.

I recall having seen only one case here where the file was rejected without the PFL; so I believe it is required (but things can happen or at least did in that one case, although I can't say for sure if that was a miscommunication or misunderstanding).
 

armoured

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But this horseshit with proof.to immigrate is unreal. I litterally am going to back them into a corner where I did everuthing they asked and more. Im paying rent in an apartment starting tomorrow.in.my wifes and my name. We are still in China likely for a few months, also both quit our jobs today with proper resignation letters. Also going to get funds home ans leave bare minimum here. Praying they pass us!
To be fair almost everyone here said you were overreacting and should be more methodical. They just asked for additional documentation; entirely possible would have gone smoothly with considerably less drastic action than you undertook.
 

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I agree I just cant cannot accept this failing. So I thought do as much as possible and if they reject me I am going to appeal. And from what they asked I far exceeded in my opinion. Therefore if went to court I win.
 

armoured

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I agree I just cant cannot accept this failing. So I thought do as much as possible and if they reject me I am going to appeal. And from what they asked I far exceeded in my opinion. Therefore if went to court I win.
Entirely your choice. Just noting that may not be necessary for other cases / situations, with notable risks and costs.

I personally have not seen many cases here of outright rejection for similar cases. Additional document requests, yes. But I'm not claiming my experiences representative nor my knowledge encyclopedic; I'm sure there have been cases - albeit infrequent.
 

dw33

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I have a feeling from.reading other post and you guys I probably couldbhave showed just email talking to the realestate agent, talking to pet travel company, sent home a few thousand and also said we will resign once ppr is given. But I am fortunate I have some money and can go at it abit more direct and also resign now. Sit and show them ok. They specifically said bith resign jobs, show of house search or where to live. So I agree I went to the extreme but I dont see how they could now refuse my actions likely knowing I did what they asked.
 

armoured

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I have a feeling from.reading other post and you guys I probably couldbhave showed just email talking to the realestate agent, talking to pet travel company, sent home a few thousand and also said we will resign once ppr is given. But I am fortunate I have some money and can go at it abit more direct and also resign now. Sit and show them ok. They specifically said bith resign jobs, show of house search or where to live. So I agree I went to the extreme but I dont see how they could now refuse my actions likely knowing I did what they asked.
Could you actually post the relevant part of the message? I repeat that I expect that the language gave these as examples, not a comprehensive list of what you had to do.

I looked at other thread (from 2014!) where the sponsor got the procedural fairness letter. As often the case, there were 'other issues' (doubts about relationship from beginning, recently naturalized sponsor who admittedly had very few ties to Canada). Eventually seems to have gotten approved.

And hey, again, you do/did what you feel necessary and you can deal with / afford. That's up to you, of course. I just don't want every applicant to feel that an additional request for information means they have to panic.

I don't mean, either, that these requests should not be taken seriously. But a line visa officer (possibly junior) asking for additional docs is to some degree also routine. Quite possibly from some internal thing where a higher-up says "let's check these return-to-Canada cases carefully!" (i.e. the next higher-up recently attended some management meeting where they mentioned this, possibly for some vaugely connected reason like meeting the immigration targets and for that they only count landings/arrivals, so please concentrate on the most-likely-to-land cases, here's a PowerPoint on ways to prioritise).

This is neither to praise IRCC nor condemn them; it's a human bureaucratic institution (with politicians on top) and the pathologies / behaviours common to them. It's rarely outright evil or sneaky (as some here seem to believe), nor saintly.
 

dw33

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Credible evidence of your and your spouses plans to establish yourself and your family to Canada. ie house hunting trips to Canada or jobs offers for each of you in Canada. Credible evidence that you and your spouse have severed or are begining to severe all ties to China. ie letter of resignation from your and your apouses employer, sale or listing of any owned property, evidence of financial transition of assets or interests from China to Canada. Sale of furniture and selling of others assets.

Note that the measures listed above are not exhaustive and that you may show other forms of evidence that you and your spouse have botb made a significant efforts and arrange ments to settle in Canada for the purpose of living there permanetly.
 
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