Kuchbhi this message was not meant for you it was meant for canuck. And please Do NOt blame yourself for not playing lottery.. we should not have this idiotic lottery system to win parents at all… this is the most inhumane system one can have in civilized world… and as Canadian Tax payers and citizens we should completely get rid of this lottery system and demand our government to allow family reunification if we qualify as a Sponsor!
H&C Humanitarian Ground with/or Without Failed refugee claim
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Canada relies heavily on its image and advertising to promote the idea that it is an Eldorado for oppressed peoples with laws based on humanitarian values, love and compassion... Yet we know all too well what the reality is! We just have to see how IRCC officers behave with our files... My children have suffered a lot in the country that is supposedly the leader in the protection of minors' rights !
Absolutely agreed! Problem is that even landed immigrants with citizenship fear to ask for equal treatment and rights… trust me they are
Thuvakarsn
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- Nov 1, 2023
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- 12-04-2022
How many days has it returned back to in process? There seems to be a glitch in the system were in process seems to return for a few days only. Could be due any form of input into the file we don’t know. Most people would not realize that this happens but many look ay their files daily so that is often why the glitch is picked up. Would wait and see if it changes within the week,
You can certainly attempt to apply for a work permit on the grounds that you need to support your family (would highlight Canadian children) while waiting for the outcome of your H&C application and you would like to register your child for public school and assume you have proof that you can not afford to get a study permit and pay out of pocket. Would provide proof that you have started a business in Canada but due to your statuses you and your spouse are unable to work at the business. Trying to secure a WP shouldn’t hurt your case although I am not an immigration lawyer so I would verify with your immigration lawyer. Was starting a business a suggestion from your lawyer? This is a common loophole to be able to earn money without a SIN# and show establishment in Canada while also showing that you are contributing economically to Canada. Your chances of obtaining PR via H&C are good given your high level of education although it sounds like your PhD will be from your home country university not a Canadian university, business in Canada (Already providing employment to Canadians),1 Canadian children, being financially self-sufficient, proof of human rights violations in your home country (hard to comment without knowing the country but if you could provide proof of why you would be personally persecuted like being part of a minority group for example), etc. It is the whole picture that makes your application string because we have seen others who have a Canadian business, for example, still being denied. Many set-up businesses as a method to try and secure H&C so that is one of the reasons why having a business in Canada does not guarantee H&C. The only big issue is the fact that your home government sponsored your education in Canada with the expectation that you would return home. Many countries have these relationships with Canada and Canadian universities and students not returning home sours these relationships and programs and angers the home country who typically expect Canada to enforce the fact that students have agreed to return home as a condition of the study abroad. I assume you may have signed a contract agreeing to return in exchange for supporting your studies abroad. There have been other students who have managed to stay in Canada in similar situations. Staying in Canada can anger your home country so if you do come from a country with questionable human rights I would be cautious if you want to return home for a visit. Sadly some families members may also be pressured from your home country government when it becomes apparent that you will not return home. If that is the case that would help your H&C application or create the potential for an asylum application.
In terms of your MP there is little they can actually do. Your application seems to be being processed in a normal time frame so your MP will likely be told that you need to be patient. You also should check with your local school board and see if they are a sanctuary school board. There are certain school boards that register children for public school irregardless of their immigration status.
The lottery was actually brought in because people petitioned to have a lottery and felt that it was the best system and the system is no longer a true lottery. There was one year where is was a FIFO system and immediate after those wanting to sponsor their parents petitioned to bring back the lottery. The current system prioritizes those who have qualified the longest although there does seem to be a few ways that people can exploit the system (applying before you qualify in the hopes that when you are selected you do qualify) which will hopefully be closed. Sadly if IRCC doesn’t verify incomes when the EOI is opened up again everyone is going to apply no matter whether or not they qualify. Canada can not afford and does not have the infrastructure to allow everyone to sponsor their parents and grandparents. Canada has an ageing population which is one of the reasons Canada has a high immigration and a points based system that favours younger immigrants. It is very difficult to immigrate after age 40 unless you are a spouse or a refugee. In terms of government sponsored refugees Canada still favours younger applicants. Canada is never going to have a policy where everyone can sponsor their parents and grandparents. it Is not feasible for a variety of reason and will add to our ageing population. Would add that many run into problems when sponsoring their parents and realize they can’t actually afford to support them. Here is an excellent example. This family will need to find around 2k per month for the most basic of typically shared rooms.
https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...ents-sponsorship-elderly-care-expense.830298/
Not having access to guaranteed sponsorship is not lack of equal treatment. If you look at immigrants over time most were not able to sponsor their parents either. They immigrated as young people leaving their parents behind as well to start a new life. Whether they did so from Europe or from other continents.
There is plenty of criticism and Canada is not perfect by any means. We are certainly more welcoming and more generous than the majority of countries when it comes to newcomers and especially refugees. Many countries do provide legal aid, no financial support, no access to free healthcare or healthcare without payment upfront, no access to schooling for children, deportation without any recourse, etc. The system is far from perfect but in comparison to many it is generous.
Too generous I might add
Far , far too generous for something that was NEVER guaranteed when people choose to immigrate
Level of entitlement is amusing
Family reunification by Canada’s definition are spouses and children under 22 it used to be 18 but Canada recognized that children are rarely independent at age 18 these days. Parent and grandparent sponsorship was never guaranteed. It isn’t guaranteed and often not possible at all in countries with access to public education. I agree that Canada should be more open with the fact that parent sponsorship is not guaranteed and you should not move to Canada if you would be happy without living with your parents and grandparents. There are no shortage of people who will still come to Canada. There have been long periods of time when parent sponsorship was not possible and people still immigrated. There is zero proof that higher income earners will leave. This has not been the case in other countries that do not allow parent sponsorship. Immigration is a two way street. Most immigrating or coming to Canada are benefiting in their own way. Canada gives out citizenship very easily for example. There are no shortage of H1B workers from the US who come to Canada for 3 years and leave. They will leave as soon as they qualify for Canadian citizenship and never had any intention of living longterm in Canada. Thos forum has lots of posts wanting to know where the least expensive schools are located and while also being able to secure employment. How to get accepted to a school without caring about what type of program, the qualify of the education, what program will give you the best future in Canada, etc. International students attending pretty poor quality schools are not coming to Canada to study they are in Canada to work and try to secure PR. Provinces need to close the degree mills but this won’t stop half of the fact that half of international students coming to Canada are not genuine students they are coming to Canada to work and secure PR. This is a worldwide issue when it comes to international students. Lots of international students who arrive and disappear
the underground economy while in Canada there are opportunities to get PR as an international student. Many countries don’t provide a pathway to PR for international students or make it much more difficult. Many students also are taking out loans 6+ months before applications in order to be able to show that they have the savings to pay for schooling in Canada. The international students are also trying to get something from Canada. The ironic thing about the fact that people claim that immigrants are being treated as cash cows by Canada when it is typically their own community members that are typically the ones taken advantage of them the most. Go to Brampton, Surrey, Richmond, Richmond hill, etc. and see who is charging a fortune to rent a room or a bed, see who is hiring people to work for cash under minimum wage, who is selling/trying to sell LMIAs, etc.
I am very sorry that you lost your father but if you have used the healthcare system you also realize that the system can not accept an unlimited amount of seniors who will likely never pay Canadian taxes. Realistically if you work in healthcare you know that Canada can’t absorb any more people especially seniors. As PRs they would qualify for healthcare programs and almost free access to things like drugs, dental care, etc. and after 10 years likely OAS, GIS, etc. I also see the hundreds of thousands of others waiting patiently in line to sponsor their parents who are in the exact same situation as your mother or your parents and feel bad for those following the rules, waiting for their turn to be selected while on a supervisa or coming to visit every once in a while (like many Canadian grandparents) who realize that their situation is no different than others don’t apply for H&C. There is an influx of H&C applications for parents after PR selection criteria is announced for the year and after every draw so people do try to use the H&C system as a parent sponsorship program if you don’t get selected. The wait list for H&C has skyrocketed in good part because there hasn’t been a new EOI for PGP which Is not what H&C is supposed to be used for. It has also skyrocketed because knowing the government couldn’t justify increasing PGP quota they increased the length of visit on a supervisa to 5-7 years. Some bureaucrat in IRCC or consultant was extremely unrealistic when created this plan and thinks that most won’t interpret a 5-7 year visit as a permanent move and assumes parents will be happy to return home after 7 years. Realistically it will likely be the next government’s problem to deal with. With the crisis in healthcare hopefully some politician and the media will start being honest about the feasibility of supervisa and PGP and the use of H&C to try to sponsor parents meaning the quota announced for PGP does not reflect the reality of seniors remaining in Canada. Instead everyone talks about these issues off the record and behind closed doors. Before anyone says supervisa applicants have to have their own insurance it is emergency medical insurance, it only provides 100k of coverage which is not a lot, the big issue in healthcare is resources like staffing so even with insurance someone without provincial insurance is taking up a bed, a gurney in the ER, etc.and most do not use the repatriation function of supervisa insurance so eventually need to pay out of pocket and many don’t have the funds. Many are offered a payment plan which in many cases goes unpaid especially because we often allow the foreign national who is sick to sign up to reimburse the hospital. When the patient dies there is no more repayment. Even if the Canadian takes responsibility for a payment plan the reimbursement rate is often an extremely low amount per month since many are living paycheque to paycheque so in the and the hospital has to try to absorb a lot of unpaid medical debt. Hospitals are already short of money so any extra debt they have to absorb means a cut to services somewhere. I know that in your case you did pay for all the case your father received which is not common.
For those who don’t want to read what I wrote the summary is that Canada needs to have an open discussion about whether parent and grandparent sponsorship is actually feasible and whether it is fair to allow only a small fraction of those wanting to sponsor their parents and grandparents to sponsor without a timeframe of when it will actually happen. Would it make more sense to say no parent and grandparent sponsorship especially give our healthcare crisis which is set to get worse over time and allow families to make educated decisions about whether immigrating to Canada makes sense for their family. Allowing people to try and circumvent the existing policies are leading to extremely long wait time for H&C applications which are extremely expensive to process (fees don’t come close to covering costs).
sure, then I DO NOT want any parents grandparents siblings and half siblings of Canadian citizens from the above countries I mentioned in Canada! I refuse my tax dollars to go to any canadian citizen’s extended family members Im sorry but if the government doesnt want my parents I dont want other Canadian parents here… I dont care about their country of origin or circumstances! You dont want my parents? I dont want your parents and extended families! Period!
@wello711, my dear friend, your wait ends with 2023. I will remain in this forum to celebrate with you sooner than later and for others still waiting.
keep up with the faith and stay positive. I am waiting for the good news soon. Good luck my dear friend.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion (as everyone is), but the reality is you really don't have a say in it.
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