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Hello

I received my GCMS notes and noticed that my file is pending for second review.

APPLICATION: XXXXXX REGULATION: CEC-2013 I have analysed this application based upon the
documents submitted by the applicant and the information contained in the file and make the following
recommendation. ACTION ITEMS: ****GENERAL RESULTS: MEDICALS NOT STARTED FOR ALL
APPLICANTS**** FOSS/GCMS check: - No adverse info. All applicants currently hold valid status in Canada.
CIVIL STATUS: - PA married - SPOUSE is accompanying - PA Copy of passport on File: Yes. - Marriage
certificate is on file - SPOUSE Copy of passport on File: Yes. WORK EXPERIENCE: CEC qualifying period is:
from 14JUL2011 to 13JUL2014 Dates of authorized work
experience - within 'Qualifying Period' - in a skill level 0, A or B occupation: since 27MAR2013 Category of work
permit: PGWP Post-secondary studies in Canada: College-Technical According to schedule 8: Work Experience
1: 13JAN2013 to LOCK-IN, NOC: 2175 selected, Full time WEB DEVELOPER with XXX LANDSCAPING INC.
Employment letter dated 06JUN2014 confirm date of employment, position title and a salary of $ 29k per year.
LOE/Supporting Docs appear to match lead statement and a substantial number of the main duties under NOC
code selected. A NOA from 2013 show reported earnings of $32,3k. A T4 from 2013 show reported earnings of
$29,8k. 2013 and 2014 Pay-stubs on file It appears PA has the Required Education for the work experience
claimed under selected NOC code. Web-based search conducted - Online information verified - http:/xxlandscaping.co/index.php ADDITIONAL NOTES: Employer's profile is landscaping - For Officer to determine if the company size and profile is justifying the need for the full-time Web Developer position For
Officer Review LANGUAGE: IELTS submitted- Applicant meets benchmarks for work experience at this skill
level: A. CRIMINALITY: PA: - RCMP Screening: No reportable trace. - Police Certificates: - India: No reportable
trace. Spouse: - RCMP Screening: No reportable trace. - Police Certificates: - India: No reportable trace. All
required PCs received and there seems to be no A36 concerns evident. MEDICALS: - MEDICALS NOT STARTED
FOR ALL APPLICANTS RECOMMENDATION: REVIEW REQUIRED BY OFFICER


They are concerned about my employer. My employer has 2 more full time IT employees other than me and have around 13 permanent full time employees in total.
I am working for my employer since jan2013 as a Web Developer. We have around 7 websites including informational & online shopping websites. Moreover 2 more websites are coming up in this month.
Please advise how to tackle this issue, should i send them any letter from my employer, anyone has or had this situation before?
 

Amisnic

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I share the officers concern - a small company may need a web maintainer but not a full-time web developer, even a maintainer may not be warranted full-time.


iamitguy said:
Hello

I received my GCMS notes and noticed that my file is pending for second review.

APPLICATION: XXXXXX REGULATION: CEC-2013 I have analysed this application based upon the
documents submitted by the applicant and the information contained in the file and make the following
recommendation. ACTION ITEMS: ****GENERAL RESULTS: MEDICALS NOT STARTED FOR ALL
APPLICANTS**** FOSS/GCMS check: - No adverse info. All applicants currently hold valid status in Canada.
CIVIL STATUS: - PA married - SPOUSE is accompanying - PA Copy of passport on File: Yes. - Marriage
certificate is on file - SPOUSE Copy of passport on File: Yes. WORK EXPERIENCE: CEC qualifying period is:
from 14JUL2011 to 13JUL2014 Dates of authorized work
experience - within 'Qualifying Period' - in a skill level 0, A or B occupation: since 27MAR2013 Category of work
permit: PGWP Post-secondary studies in Canada: College-Technical According to schedule 8: Work Experience
1: 13JAN2013 to LOCK-IN, NOC: 2175 selected, Full time WEB DEVELOPER with XXX LANDSCAPING INC.
Employment letter dated 06JUN2014 confirm date of employment, position title and a salary of $ 29k per year.
LOE/Supporting Docs appear to match lead statement and a substantial number of the main duties under NOC
code selected. A NOA from 2013 show reported earnings of $32,3k. A T4 from 2013 show reported earnings of
$29,8k. 2013 and 2014 Pay-stubs on file It appears PA has the Required Education for the work experience
claimed under selected NOC code. Web-based search conducted - Online information verified - http:/xxlandscaping.co/index.php ADDITIONAL NOTES: Employer's profile is landscaping - For Officer to determine if the company size and profile is justifying the need for the full-time Web Developer position For
Officer Review LANGUAGE: IELTS submitted- Applicant meets benchmarks for work experience at this skill
level: A. CRIMINALITY: PA: - RCMP Screening: No reportable trace. - Police Certificates: - India: No reportable
trace. Spouse: - RCMP Screening: No reportable trace. - Police Certificates: - India: No reportable trace. All
required PCs received and there seems to be no A36 concerns evident. MEDICALS: - MEDICALS NOT STARTED
FOR ALL APPLICANTS RECOMMENDATION: REVIEW REQUIRED BY OFFICER


They are concerned about my employer. My employer has 2 more full time IT employees other than me and have around 13 permanent full time employees in total.
I am working for my employer since jan2013 as a Web Developer. We have around 7 websites including informational & online shopping websites. Moreover 2 more websites are coming up in this month.
Please advise how to tackle this issue, should i send them any letter from my employer, anyone has or had this situation before?
 

Amisnic

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You in Ontario?


iamitguy said:
Hello

I received my GCMS notes and noticed that my file is pending for second review.

APPLICATION: XXXXXX REGULATION: CEC-2013 I have analysed this application based upon the
documents submitted by the applicant and the information contained in the file and make the following
recommendation. ACTION ITEMS: ****GENERAL RESULTS: MEDICALS NOT STARTED FOR ALL
APPLICANTS**** FOSS/GCMS check: - No adverse info. All applicants currently hold valid status in Canada.
CIVIL STATUS: - PA married - SPOUSE is accompanying - PA Copy of passport on File: Yes. - Marriage
certificate is on file - SPOUSE Copy of passport on File: Yes. WORK EXPERIENCE: CEC qualifying period is:
from 14JUL2011 to 13JUL2014 Dates of authorized work
experience - within 'Qualifying Period' - in a skill level 0, A or B occupation: since 27MAR2013 Category of work
permit: PGWP Post-secondary studies in Canada: College-Technical According to schedule 8: Work Experience
1: 13JAN2013 to LOCK-IN, NOC: 2175 selected, Full time WEB DEVELOPER with XXX LANDSCAPING INC.
Employment letter dated 06JUN2014 confirm date of employment, position title and a salary of $ 29k per year.
LOE/Supporting Docs appear to match lead statement and a substantial number of the main duties under NOC
code selected. A NOA from 2013 show reported earnings of $32,3k. A T4 from 2013 show reported earnings of
$29,8k. 2013 and 2014 Pay-stubs on file It appears PA has the Required Education for the work experience
claimed under selected NOC code. Web-based search conducted - Online information verified - http:/xxlandscaping.co/index.php ADDITIONAL NOTES: Employer's profile is landscaping - For Officer to determine if the company size and profile is justifying the need for the full-time Web Developer position For
Officer Review LANGUAGE: IELTS submitted- Applicant meets benchmarks for work experience at this skill
level: A. CRIMINALITY: PA: - RCMP Screening: No reportable trace. - Police Certificates: - India: No reportable
trace. Spouse: - RCMP Screening: No reportable trace. - Police Certificates: - India: No reportable trace. All
required PCs received and there seems to be no A36 concerns evident. MEDICALS: - MEDICALS NOT STARTED
FOR ALL APPLICANTS RECOMMENDATION: REVIEW REQUIRED BY OFFICER


They are concerned about my employer. My employer has 2 more full time IT employees other than me and have around 13 permanent full time employees in total.
I am working for my employer since jan2013 as a Web Developer. We have around 7 websites including informational & online shopping websites. Moreover 2 more websites are coming up in this month.
Please advise how to tackle this issue, should i send them any letter from my employer, anyone has or had this situation before?
 

iamitguy

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Canada
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Visa Office......
CPC-Ottawa
NOC Code......
2175
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
14-07-2014
Doc's Request.
Not at all
AOR Received.
16-09-2014
IELTS Request
Submitted with App
Med's Request
19-08-2015
Med's Done....
14-07-2015
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
21-08-2015
VISA ISSUED...
26-08-2015
LANDED..........
07-09-2015

zareef

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A little off-topic here. Your salary is awfully low for a web developer. There's a strong demand for web developers out there - couldn't you have found a better job that pays much more?
 

Amisnic

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02-06-2015
To a VO it will look suspicious.


zareef said:
A little off-topic here. Your salary is awfully low for a web developer. There's a strong demand for web developers out there - couldn't you have found a better job that pays much more?
 

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zareef said:
A little off-topic here. Your salary is awfully low for a web developer. There's a strong demand for web developers out there - couldn't you have found a better job that pays much more?
From Job Bank, the median wage for that role is $28/hr giving at least $40k annual salary for a full-time position of 30 hours/week.
 

iamitguy

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Thanks for all your suggestions.

But i dont think its a matter of wage. Its a concern that does my employer need a full time web developer or no?
My employer is a big reputed company in the city, older than 30 yrs in this business. Moreover they do have other businesses as well, for them as well i do the web work.

Even for the wage thing, I was just graduated that time, and i dont think anyone would pay me $28 per hr. May be now i can try.
Moreover I dont think there is a minimum wage requirement.

Does the one year of work experience to qualify under the Canadian Experience Class include non-paid employment? Is there a minimum wage requirement for qualifying employment?

Non-paid employment does not qualify under the Canadian Experience Class. You must have been paid a wage (or earned a commission) but there is no minimum wage requirement for your qualifying work experience.

Full-time work experience means working at least 30 paid hours per week. To qualify, you must have skilled work experience, meaning work in occupations listed at NOC Skill Type 0 (managerial), or NOC Skill Level A (professional occupations) or NOC skill Level B (technical and trade occupations).


Source: cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?q=665&t=6
 

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iamitguy said:
Thanks for all your suggestions.

But i dont think its a matter of wage. Its a concern that does my employer need a full time web developer or no?
My employer is a big reputed company in the city, older than 30 yrs in this business. Moreover they do have other businesses as well, for them as well i do the web work.

Even for the wage thing, I was just graduated that time, and i dont think anyone would pay me $28 per hr. May be now i can try.
Moreover I dont think there is a minimum wage requirement.

Does the one year of work experience to qualify under the Canadian Experience Class include non-paid employment? Is there a minimum wage requirement for qualifying employment?

Non-paid employment does not qualify under the Canadian Experience Class. You must have been paid a wage (or earned a commission) but there is no minimum wage requirement for your qualifying work experience.

Full-time work experience means working at least 30 paid hours per week. To qualify, you must have skilled work experience, meaning work in occupations listed at NOC Skill Type 0 (managerial), or NOC Skill Level A (professional occupations) or NOC skill Level B (technical and trade occupations).


Source: cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?q=665&t=6
Don't worry you will be fine :). CIC people are just testing our patience, Everything else looks good so you do not need to worrie, we can just assume stuff. Let them decide.
 

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iamitguy said:
Hello

I received my GCMS notes and noticed that my file is pending for second review.



They are concerned about my employer. My employer has 2 more full time IT employees other than me and have around 13 permanent full time employees in total.
I am working for my employer since jan2013 as a Web Developer. We have around 7 websites including informational & online shopping websites. Moreover 2 more websites are coming up in this month.
Please advise how to tackle this issue, should i send them any letter from my employer, anyone has or had this situation before?
My advice: let the senior officer review it. If he needs more documents he will request it from your. I don't think you have anything to worry at all. I have seen worst cases than this who has succeeded so you have absolutely nothing to worry about. The only thing is its going to take little bit longer. Do not send any documents until you are asked to do so. :)
 

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IELTS Request
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21-08-2015
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Thanks Neha, Thanks Goku.

@ Goku: I am thinking if my employer can write a letter telling more about the company and need of my role and i send it to CIC?


I am just bit worried. ???
 

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iamitguy said:
Thanks Neha, Thanks Goku.

@ Goku: I am thinking if my employer can write a letter telling more about the company and need of my role and i send it to CIC?


I am just bit worried. ???
That might work in your favor.

They actually have 3 issues according to GCMS:

1 - "LOE/Supporting Docs appear to match lead statement and a substantial number of the main duties under NOC" - Duties on LOE does not match duties mentioned under your NOC Sorry my bad. I read docs as don't.
2 - "A NOA from 2013 show reported earnings of $32,3k. A T4 from 2013 show reported earnings of
$29,8k. 2013 " - Why different amount i.e. What is source of additional $2500 ?
3 - "Employer's profile is landscaping - For Officer to determine if the company size and profile is justifying the need for the full-time Web Developer position" - I being a 3 person can think that what is need of a full-time web developer in a landscaping company. But world doesn't work like what I think, so First Immigration officer(IO) wants senior IO to review that if actually your employer needs a full time web developer in that company.

P.S. None of this will cause an issue as these are general issues which gets resolved once Senior IO review it. Give me few minutes I will provide you with what options you can go with. Thanks.
 
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Goku said:
That might work in your favor.

They actually have 3 issues according to GCMS:

1 - "LOE/Supporting Docs appear to match lead statement and a substantial number of the main duties under NOC" - Duties on LOE does not match duties mentioned under your NOC
2 - "A NOA from 2013 show reported earnings of $32,3k. A T4 from 2013 show reported earnings of
$29,8k. 2013 " - Why different amount i.e. What is source of additional $2500 ?
3 - "Employer's profile is landscaping - For Officer to determine if the company size and profile is justifying the need for the full-time Web Developer position" - I being a 3 person can think that what is need of a full-time web developer in a landscaping company. But world doesn't work like what I think, so First Immigration officer(IO) wants senior IO to review that if actually your employer needs a full time web developer in that company.

P.S. None of this will cause an issue as these are general issues which gets resolved once Senior IO review it. Give me few minutes I will provide you with what options you can go with. Thanks.
Hey man, you got # 1 wrong. His LOE's fine.
 

iamitguy

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Doc's Request.
Not at all
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IELTS Request
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Goku said:
That might work in your favor.

They actually have 3 issues according to GCMS:

1 - "LOE/Supporting Docs appear to match lead statement and a substantial number of the main duties under NOC" - Duties on LOE does not match duties mentioned under your NOC
I think LOE is fine.. No issue with it.
2 - "A NOA from 2013 show reported earnings of $32,3k. A T4 from 2013 show reported earnings of
$29,8k. 2013 " - Why different amount i.e. What is source of additional $2500 ?
For this extra 2500 , i provide the proof, another T4 for my part time work. also explained in my cover letter.

3 - "Employer's profile is landscaping - For Officer to determine if the company size and profile is justifying the need for the full-time Web Developer position" - I being a 3 person can think that what is need of a full-time web developer in a landscaping company. But world doesn't work like what I think, so First Immigration officer(IO) wants senior IO to review that if actually your employer needs a full time web developer in that company.

P.S. None of this will cause an issue as these are general issues which gets resolved once Senior IO review it. Give me few minutes I will provide you with what options you can go with. Thanks.

Thanks i will wait for your suggestion..
 

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hi

About the T4 and NOA salary difference was noted in my GCMS too.Same like you I have sent T4 for my old job ,but still VO didnt see tat ,I dont know they just put me for second review...
About Employer if second officer needs more info they defintely gonna contact your employer if you provided phone number..My employer gt call in my case