FSWP 2013: Chit Chat & Congrats & Question / Answer Thread!
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Hello,
I am a newbie to this forum and working towards the application....
I am gathering my documents for finding a better place for myself and my family...
But, by all this , Am I endangering the lives of my loved ones by taking them into a world of racism as the below article (as well as the comments) says???
It is a perennial dilemma for newcomers. Should you stay on in Canada, a place where you've come after much struggle for a better life but find disappointing, or should you go back to your country of birth to be a dutiful son or daughter, or even just because, as it turns out, there are better job prospects outside Canada?
Canadian Immigrant spoke to new and old immigrants, some who feel let down by the system here and are leaving to explore better options and some who acknowledge that there is no other country like this one and will come back one day.
Is discrimination real?
Zain Mir (name changed for privacy) is at a senior position at a top educational institution in Saskatchewan. He is currently pursuing his PhD, is happily married and is a Canadian citizen. Yet, the 40-year-old Pakistani-born immigrant is all set to leave Canada for good in 2013.
He's not alone. According to Wendy Cukier, founder, Diversity Institute in Management and Technology at Ryerson University, a 2008 study spearheaded by her, shows that 40 per cent of immigrants who entered Canada in the skilled worker or business class left Canada within their first 10 years.
A previous study by Statistics Canada indicated that one-third of male immigrants (aged 25 to 45 at the time of landing) left Canada within 20 years after arrival. More than half of those who left did so within the first year of arrival.
“I feel like my career is going nowhere. I am overqualified for the position that I have currently,” says the marketing professional who has already networked with professional organizations in places like Malaysia, Singapore and the Middle East. He feels he will get a more deserving position there.
Mir, who studied in the United States and landed a plum position with one of the top financial management firms in the world, Merrill Lynch, was thrilled when he first applied for Canadian immigration, and it came through in six months. He quickly moved to Vancouver.
“I was sure that with my education and work experience I would have no trouble finding a job,” he says. What happened next was a series of extended survival jobs in retail and no interview callbacks for months. Mir decided that it was time for a change and took some courses in computer programming. Eventually, he relocated to Regina. “I interviewed for the job and got it. It all happened in a month's time and I thought that it was finally my time,” he says.
But it was the beginning of a nightmare. Mir claims that his work has been constantly nitpicked, he was stared at during meetings (which in his words comprised of all “white folks”) and on one occasion was completely sidelined when his boss was on leave. “I hold the second most senior position in my organization, but I don't think I will ever be made director here. They [the management] completely ignored the fact that I was supposed to be made acting director,” he says.
Mir, who was on a committee of the British Columbia Human Resources Management Association (BCHRMA), says that what he heard at a committee hearing about hiring immigrants in Canada shocked him. “Major Canadian multinationals in B.C. are on record saying that immigrants cannot express themselves well in interviews and therefore it is difficult to consider them for senior positions. I found that ridiculous. There are plenty of well-educated professionals who come to Canada, even get themselves accredited to suit Canadian standards and yet fail to reach their full potential because of the discriminatory attitude of employers. I don't think I can tolerate such behaviour anymore,” he says. Mir admits that he will miss the pristine beauty of Canada and the clean air, but it is a very small price to pay when it comes to being professionally satisfied.
Canadian experience matters
There was no dearth of pristine beauty for Swiss-born immigrant Stephan Burckhardt who lived in scenic Washington State in the United States. But his daughter's educational prospects prompted the successful marketing professional to move bag and baggage to Vancouver in 2004. Though he was employed immediately, something was missing. “The salaries in Canada are abysmal. I do not mean to compare, but the difference in compensation is just too much. In Switzerland I was being paid about $350 an hour, and in Canada I started at $20 an hour. It is not about the amount, but a huge blow to one's self-confidence,” he says. This was due to his lack of Canadian experience.
But Burckhardt did not give up and applied everywhere for a better position with better wages. He tried enlisting the support of a mentor through an immigration support program in Victoria and also applied for government positions. “I applied for quite a few jobs, and got a total of two interviews. Two! With both positions I came in second; in one position they clearly preferred a Canadian with more Canadian experience and they even told me to my face: ‘She [the winning candidate] knows someone at the Globe and Mail.' I did not stand a chance, did I?” he says.
Besides his claim that the skilled worker program is misleading, the other form of bias that he feels is rampant is age discrimination. Burckhardt has been told that he was not in the preferred age group for a particular job, despite his experience. Add to that the constant rejections due to his educational credentials and Burckhardt had had enough. He is leaving Canada for good this spring, but he departs with a heavy heart. “My wife is American, and Swiss society is pretty conservative. I like the social life in Canada; the people are good and tolerant. I don't think my native country will be very accepting of her and that is one thing that worries me,” he says. Burckhardt has two job offers; one in the United States as the executive director of a non-profit and the other in his native Switzerland as a partner in a consulting firm. “As a family, we spent close to $1,500,000 in the eight years we've been here. Once we sell our home, our leaving Canada will mean a net loss of close to $100,000 per year to the Canadian economy without counting any multiplier effects,” he says.
Swiss immigrant by way of the US, Stephan Burckhardt claims that he faced age discrimination in Canada.
Duty calls
A college strike proved to be fateful for Indian-born Praveen Rao who moved to Canada for a better education. “I was enrolled in a college in Delhi to pursue a bachelor's degree course in 2000. However due to frequent interruptions in my education due to various strikes, my father was concerned about the quality of education that was being imparted at that college, even though it was one of the better ones,” he says. Rao found himself the first in his family to ever step outside India to study and was enrolled in the economics program at the University of Windsor, in 2001. But getting a Canadian education proved far from useful in getting a job afterward. Predictably the issue of Canadian experience raised its head.
After struggling in a door-to-door sales/marketing job in London, Ontario, Rao finally got his foot in the door by joining TD Canada Trust Bank as a teller. “It was disheartening to start with a job that did not really require an undergrad degree, but I knew I had to start somewhere and make my way up as I lacked Canadian work experience and lacked networking skills,” he says in a matter-of-fact manner.
Meanwhile familial duties beckoned in India. His sister was getting married and he thought it was his duty to assist with the wedding. Perhaps the expiry of his work permit and his PR not coming through at that time further helped his decision and he went back. Rao came back eventually to land a good position with RBC bank, his permanent resident visa came through and he took additional courses at Ryerson, completing his MBA. But things were not about to fall in place for him. “The last three years in Canada, my family never made me forget that they would like me to settle down in India. There was a lot of pressure,” he says.
Running out of reasons to stay in Canada (having completed his education and gaining good work experience), Rao decided the sooner the move back to India was made, the better. “I felt that if I stayed in Canada for another year it would become extremely difficult for me to move back to India as I had started to enjoy my lifestyle in Canada. I used to tell my friends that life in Canada is very self-centred; whatever I do in a day is directly benefiting me, which was different from life in India where my time will be consumed helping my family with their issues, driving my mother to visit other relatives, etc. I really enjoyed life in Canada and made some great friends. But I also kept thinking about moving back to India — for family and because I am a bit patriotic as well,” he says. But Rao, like many who found their place in Canada, has his Canadian citizenship handy, in the event that he wants to come back if things do not go as planned in India.
“Even though I haven't travelled the world, from what I have read, people I have spoken to and places I have been to, I think Canada is definitely one of the best places, if not the best, in the world. And if I have to leave India, I will come back here,” he says. The same Statistics Canada study cited above, in fact, indicates that those immigrants who leave aren't necessarily gone permanently. About one in 10 leavers return to Canada within 10 years of first arriving.
A brave new world
Ke Huang doesn't want to leave Canada because she is just too much in love with the country. Yet, the 27-year-old IT professional is all set to leave Toronto in April as a job in one of the largest personal technology companies in the world, Lenovo, awaits her in Beijing, China. “While I was looking for a job in Toronto, I happened to get a call from a Chinese recruiter in Toronto who tracked me down from the database at the University of Waterloo where I studied years ago. They had an opening in Beijing and he asked me if I wanted to go. And I thought, ‘Why not?'” she says while packing up her last few personal belongings.
Huang came to Canada as an international student to study computer science and right after university found employment, got her permanent residency and happily settled into Canadian life. She was happy, first as an IT support person and then as a web developer. Soon, she was out looking for a bigger profile in a bigger setup. That's when the headhunter came calling. “The position in China is for an engineer. It is pretty challenging and a good position. I went through a rigorous process of three interviews before I finally got the offer,” she says.
Is she nervous, moving to a completely different place though it is essentially her home? “Well, Canada is home. I love it here. I don't anticipate too many problems in China. My parents live there and it will be nice to be with them for a while,” she says.
Huang acknowledges that the biggest change would be the change in lifestyle. “In Canada, there is a work-life balance. One is expected to make time for himself and there is scope for personal growth. In China, the work culture is very different. That will take time getting used to,” she says. There will be more social events to go to in Beijing, something not expected of her in Toronto. In addition, Beijing is one of the most populous and polluted places in the world and that will take some getting used to, too.
But she is looking forward to learning from her experiences in China, which she thinks will be an exciting new adventure. “I will be back in a couple of years. I think this experience will do me good both professionally and personally. These kind of experiences teach you how to work in every situation and become adaptable. One needs that skill in these times and this economy,” she says.
Hopefully, any future Canadian employers will recognize that, too.
I am a newbie to this forum and working towards the application....
I am gathering my documents for finding a better place for myself and my family...
But, by all this , Am I endangering the lives of my loved ones by taking them into a world of racism as the below article (as well as the comments) says???
It is a perennial dilemma for newcomers. Should you stay on in Canada, a place where you've come after much struggle for a better life but find disappointing, or should you go back to your country of birth to be a dutiful son or daughter, or even just because, as it turns out, there are better job prospects outside Canada?
Canadian Immigrant spoke to new and old immigrants, some who feel let down by the system here and are leaving to explore better options and some who acknowledge that there is no other country like this one and will come back one day.
Is discrimination real?
Zain Mir (name changed for privacy) is at a senior position at a top educational institution in Saskatchewan. He is currently pursuing his PhD, is happily married and is a Canadian citizen. Yet, the 40-year-old Pakistani-born immigrant is all set to leave Canada for good in 2013.
He's not alone. According to Wendy Cukier, founder, Diversity Institute in Management and Technology at Ryerson University, a 2008 study spearheaded by her, shows that 40 per cent of immigrants who entered Canada in the skilled worker or business class left Canada within their first 10 years.
A previous study by Statistics Canada indicated that one-third of male immigrants (aged 25 to 45 at the time of landing) left Canada within 20 years after arrival. More than half of those who left did so within the first year of arrival.
“I feel like my career is going nowhere. I am overqualified for the position that I have currently,” says the marketing professional who has already networked with professional organizations in places like Malaysia, Singapore and the Middle East. He feels he will get a more deserving position there.
Mir, who studied in the United States and landed a plum position with one of the top financial management firms in the world, Merrill Lynch, was thrilled when he first applied for Canadian immigration, and it came through in six months. He quickly moved to Vancouver.
“I was sure that with my education and work experience I would have no trouble finding a job,” he says. What happened next was a series of extended survival jobs in retail and no interview callbacks for months. Mir decided that it was time for a change and took some courses in computer programming. Eventually, he relocated to Regina. “I interviewed for the job and got it. It all happened in a month's time and I thought that it was finally my time,” he says.
But it was the beginning of a nightmare. Mir claims that his work has been constantly nitpicked, he was stared at during meetings (which in his words comprised of all “white folks”) and on one occasion was completely sidelined when his boss was on leave. “I hold the second most senior position in my organization, but I don't think I will ever be made director here. They [the management] completely ignored the fact that I was supposed to be made acting director,” he says.
Mir, who was on a committee of the British Columbia Human Resources Management Association (BCHRMA), says that what he heard at a committee hearing about hiring immigrants in Canada shocked him. “Major Canadian multinationals in B.C. are on record saying that immigrants cannot express themselves well in interviews and therefore it is difficult to consider them for senior positions. I found that ridiculous. There are plenty of well-educated professionals who come to Canada, even get themselves accredited to suit Canadian standards and yet fail to reach their full potential because of the discriminatory attitude of employers. I don't think I can tolerate such behaviour anymore,” he says. Mir admits that he will miss the pristine beauty of Canada and the clean air, but it is a very small price to pay when it comes to being professionally satisfied.
Canadian experience matters
There was no dearth of pristine beauty for Swiss-born immigrant Stephan Burckhardt who lived in scenic Washington State in the United States. But his daughter's educational prospects prompted the successful marketing professional to move bag and baggage to Vancouver in 2004. Though he was employed immediately, something was missing. “The salaries in Canada are abysmal. I do not mean to compare, but the difference in compensation is just too much. In Switzerland I was being paid about $350 an hour, and in Canada I started at $20 an hour. It is not about the amount, but a huge blow to one's self-confidence,” he says. This was due to his lack of Canadian experience.
But Burckhardt did not give up and applied everywhere for a better position with better wages. He tried enlisting the support of a mentor through an immigration support program in Victoria and also applied for government positions. “I applied for quite a few jobs, and got a total of two interviews. Two! With both positions I came in second; in one position they clearly preferred a Canadian with more Canadian experience and they even told me to my face: ‘She [the winning candidate] knows someone at the Globe and Mail.' I did not stand a chance, did I?” he says.
Besides his claim that the skilled worker program is misleading, the other form of bias that he feels is rampant is age discrimination. Burckhardt has been told that he was not in the preferred age group for a particular job, despite his experience. Add to that the constant rejections due to his educational credentials and Burckhardt had had enough. He is leaving Canada for good this spring, but he departs with a heavy heart. “My wife is American, and Swiss society is pretty conservative. I like the social life in Canada; the people are good and tolerant. I don't think my native country will be very accepting of her and that is one thing that worries me,” he says. Burckhardt has two job offers; one in the United States as the executive director of a non-profit and the other in his native Switzerland as a partner in a consulting firm. “As a family, we spent close to $1,500,000 in the eight years we've been here. Once we sell our home, our leaving Canada will mean a net loss of close to $100,000 per year to the Canadian economy without counting any multiplier effects,” he says.
Swiss immigrant by way of the US, Stephan Burckhardt claims that he faced age discrimination in Canada.
Duty calls
A college strike proved to be fateful for Indian-born Praveen Rao who moved to Canada for a better education. “I was enrolled in a college in Delhi to pursue a bachelor's degree course in 2000. However due to frequent interruptions in my education due to various strikes, my father was concerned about the quality of education that was being imparted at that college, even though it was one of the better ones,” he says. Rao found himself the first in his family to ever step outside India to study and was enrolled in the economics program at the University of Windsor, in 2001. But getting a Canadian education proved far from useful in getting a job afterward. Predictably the issue of Canadian experience raised its head.
After struggling in a door-to-door sales/marketing job in London, Ontario, Rao finally got his foot in the door by joining TD Canada Trust Bank as a teller. “It was disheartening to start with a job that did not really require an undergrad degree, but I knew I had to start somewhere and make my way up as I lacked Canadian work experience and lacked networking skills,” he says in a matter-of-fact manner.
Meanwhile familial duties beckoned in India. His sister was getting married and he thought it was his duty to assist with the wedding. Perhaps the expiry of his work permit and his PR not coming through at that time further helped his decision and he went back. Rao came back eventually to land a good position with RBC bank, his permanent resident visa came through and he took additional courses at Ryerson, completing his MBA. But things were not about to fall in place for him. “The last three years in Canada, my family never made me forget that they would like me to settle down in India. There was a lot of pressure,” he says.
Running out of reasons to stay in Canada (having completed his education and gaining good work experience), Rao decided the sooner the move back to India was made, the better. “I felt that if I stayed in Canada for another year it would become extremely difficult for me to move back to India as I had started to enjoy my lifestyle in Canada. I used to tell my friends that life in Canada is very self-centred; whatever I do in a day is directly benefiting me, which was different from life in India where my time will be consumed helping my family with their issues, driving my mother to visit other relatives, etc. I really enjoyed life in Canada and made some great friends. But I also kept thinking about moving back to India — for family and because I am a bit patriotic as well,” he says. But Rao, like many who found their place in Canada, has his Canadian citizenship handy, in the event that he wants to come back if things do not go as planned in India.
“Even though I haven't travelled the world, from what I have read, people I have spoken to and places I have been to, I think Canada is definitely one of the best places, if not the best, in the world. And if I have to leave India, I will come back here,” he says. The same Statistics Canada study cited above, in fact, indicates that those immigrants who leave aren't necessarily gone permanently. About one in 10 leavers return to Canada within 10 years of first arriving.
A brave new world
Ke Huang doesn't want to leave Canada because she is just too much in love with the country. Yet, the 27-year-old IT professional is all set to leave Toronto in April as a job in one of the largest personal technology companies in the world, Lenovo, awaits her in Beijing, China. “While I was looking for a job in Toronto, I happened to get a call from a Chinese recruiter in Toronto who tracked me down from the database at the University of Waterloo where I studied years ago. They had an opening in Beijing and he asked me if I wanted to go. And I thought, ‘Why not?'” she says while packing up her last few personal belongings.
Huang came to Canada as an international student to study computer science and right after university found employment, got her permanent residency and happily settled into Canadian life. She was happy, first as an IT support person and then as a web developer. Soon, she was out looking for a bigger profile in a bigger setup. That's when the headhunter came calling. “The position in China is for an engineer. It is pretty challenging and a good position. I went through a rigorous process of three interviews before I finally got the offer,” she says.
Is she nervous, moving to a completely different place though it is essentially her home? “Well, Canada is home. I love it here. I don't anticipate too many problems in China. My parents live there and it will be nice to be with them for a while,” she says.
Huang acknowledges that the biggest change would be the change in lifestyle. “In Canada, there is a work-life balance. One is expected to make time for himself and there is scope for personal growth. In China, the work culture is very different. That will take time getting used to,” she says. There will be more social events to go to in Beijing, something not expected of her in Toronto. In addition, Beijing is one of the most populous and polluted places in the world and that will take some getting used to, too.
But she is looking forward to learning from her experiences in China, which she thinks will be an exciting new adventure. “I will be back in a couple of years. I think this experience will do me good both professionally and personally. These kind of experiences teach you how to work in every situation and become adaptable. One needs that skill in these times and this economy,” she says.
Hopefully, any future Canadian employers will recognize that, too.
11 RESPONSES TO “WHY SOME IMMIGRANTS LEAVE CANADA”
Why some immigrants leave Canada |, on April 13th, 2012 at 5:04 pm Said:
[...] Here an interesting article on discussing why some immigrants leave Canada. In short, some find that getting a job compatible to their qualifications is harder than expected, others feel they face discrimination from employers and are precluded from developing to their full potential, yet others find that better opportunities can be found elsewhere. [...]
kom, on August 1st, 2012 at 8:29 am Said:
too many thieves
too much vandalism
no food
that is why i want to go back
Amarpreet Singh, on November 22nd, 2012 at 10:27 pm Said:
Totally agree.. Marketer with an MBA Degree from York (My 2nd one ) still finding difficult to grow here. Total INTELLECTUAL RACISM!
REDA Ahmed, on January 3rd, 2013 at 3:25 am Said:
Too many things under the surface you can't figure it out till you live in this society like discrimination,Racism,Nepotism,Hatred many,many social disease in this society and the government is not doing enough to eliminate this
Sattack, on February 20th, 2013 at 3:33 am Said:
Canada sucks, plain and simple!!!! No jobs, lots of racism and discrimination for qualified immigrants, awful weather, bad and expensive food, cold and ignorant people, a third world economy based in natural resources, no culture, etc., etc., etc. The no jobs part is the worst, typical red neck canadians are very hypocrite and put endless obstacles to smart skilled immigrants at every step of the way...
k3kiaze, on February 24th, 2013 at 4:28 pm Said:
I'll be leaving Canada at the end of this year 4 good. My story is similar to that of Praveen Rao's. And Sattack above is 100% right. And don't forget about the systemized corruption that goes on, millions of dollars misused by the 3 levels of governance. Disunited states of Canada is correct. The country's future looks bleak.
Café de por Medio S04E08: “Café Amargo” | Los Ziegler en Canada, on February 27th, 2013 at 10:31 pm Said:
[...] Why some immigrants leave Canada [...][/i]
Frustrated, on March 11th, 2013 at 2:17 am Said:
I second the motion Sattack and k3kiaze. Canada is an overrated country! Beware. I've invested time and money just to settle here but nothing good is happening. I don't see a clear future ahead of me with the way things are going. I've thought of leaving this country for good and go back to my home country or move to Asia where there are better career opportunities and decent wage. I have a year to really sort it out but if it doesn't work, I'll be like them packing up my things too.
immigrant1000, on April 29th, 2013 at 8:21 am Said:
I left Canada because of the Racism and Discrimination and the Family legal system took away my children without any evidence and concise proofs.
I'm shock of the a poor society where family has no value and it's all about money... The Canadian legal system is racist and injustice based!
Not to mention the job situation. I'm not impress with Canada at all!
It's a society where you have to lie and have a lot of money and be corrupted to be able to succeed. I don't think, I will ever want to go back to hell... for the record, I'm a citizen :-(
Lincoln, on June 17th, 2013 at 12:53 pm Said:
Canada's economy is Immigration. Canada uses propaganda portray that it has good jobs and other social/economic benefits to entice immigrants. Over 90% of the immigrants who come will ‘testify' that they DON'T get good jobs. Canada also ‘does not recognize' foreign certifications, this is another ‘ploy' to get immigrants to spend their money to get ‘Canadian' qualifications. Then there is the housing problem, houses are priced and built in ‘planned communities' to get immigrant money and ‘house' them in ‘controlled neighborhoods'. I have a ‘Bell Canada' unit in my front Yard and because of that I can't do anything in my front yard (I am paying for Bell to have their stuff in my property, they are protected by the law). In short, here are the figures: New immigrants bring a minimum of $10BN per year to Canada, Immigrants in limbo (deciding to day or go) bring over $13BN PER MONTH to Canada. So, Canada does not care if you leave after coming here (you have already spent at least $30K and have done the ‘lords' a service by doing the ‘menial' jobs). There are Billions in queues awaiting to come to ‘promised land'. All in all, immigrants are the one to blame as NOBODY tells the REAL situation to their friends and family back home.
Why some immigrants leave Canada |, on April 13th, 2012 at 5:04 pm Said:
[...] Here an interesting article on discussing why some immigrants leave Canada. In short, some find that getting a job compatible to their qualifications is harder than expected, others feel they face discrimination from employers and are precluded from developing to their full potential, yet others find that better opportunities can be found elsewhere. [...]
kom, on August 1st, 2012 at 8:29 am Said:
too many thieves
too much vandalism
no food
that is why i want to go back
Amarpreet Singh, on November 22nd, 2012 at 10:27 pm Said:
Totally agree.. Marketer with an MBA Degree from York (My 2nd one ) still finding difficult to grow here. Total INTELLECTUAL RACISM!
REDA Ahmed, on January 3rd, 2013 at 3:25 am Said:
Too many things under the surface you can't figure it out till you live in this society like discrimination,Racism,Nepotism,Hatred many,many social disease in this society and the government is not doing enough to eliminate this
Sattack, on February 20th, 2013 at 3:33 am Said:
Canada sucks, plain and simple!!!! No jobs, lots of racism and discrimination for qualified immigrants, awful weather, bad and expensive food, cold and ignorant people, a third world economy based in natural resources, no culture, etc., etc., etc. The no jobs part is the worst, typical red neck canadians are very hypocrite and put endless obstacles to smart skilled immigrants at every step of the way...
k3kiaze, on February 24th, 2013 at 4:28 pm Said:
I'll be leaving Canada at the end of this year 4 good. My story is similar to that of Praveen Rao's. And Sattack above is 100% right. And don't forget about the systemized corruption that goes on, millions of dollars misused by the 3 levels of governance. Disunited states of Canada is correct. The country's future looks bleak.
Café de por Medio S04E08: “Café Amargo” | Los Ziegler en Canada, on February 27th, 2013 at 10:31 pm Said:
[...] Why some immigrants leave Canada [...][/i]
Frustrated, on March 11th, 2013 at 2:17 am Said:
I second the motion Sattack and k3kiaze. Canada is an overrated country! Beware. I've invested time and money just to settle here but nothing good is happening. I don't see a clear future ahead of me with the way things are going. I've thought of leaving this country for good and go back to my home country or move to Asia where there are better career opportunities and decent wage. I have a year to really sort it out but if it doesn't work, I'll be like them packing up my things too.
immigrant1000, on April 29th, 2013 at 8:21 am Said:
I left Canada because of the Racism and Discrimination and the Family legal system took away my children without any evidence and concise proofs.
I'm shock of the a poor society where family has no value and it's all about money... The Canadian legal system is racist and injustice based!
Not to mention the job situation. I'm not impress with Canada at all!
It's a society where you have to lie and have a lot of money and be corrupted to be able to succeed. I don't think, I will ever want to go back to hell... for the record, I'm a citizen :-(
Lincoln, on June 17th, 2013 at 12:53 pm Said:
Canada's economy is Immigration. Canada uses propaganda portray that it has good jobs and other social/economic benefits to entice immigrants. Over 90% of the immigrants who come will ‘testify' that they DON'T get good jobs. Canada also ‘does not recognize' foreign certifications, this is another ‘ploy' to get immigrants to spend their money to get ‘Canadian' qualifications. Then there is the housing problem, houses are priced and built in ‘planned communities' to get immigrant money and ‘house' them in ‘controlled neighborhoods'. I have a ‘Bell Canada' unit in my front Yard and because of that I can't do anything in my front yard (I am paying for Bell to have their stuff in my property, they are protected by the law). In short, here are the figures: New immigrants bring a minimum of $10BN per year to Canada, Immigrants in limbo (deciding to day or go) bring over $13BN PER MONTH to Canada. So, Canada does not care if you leave after coming here (you have already spent at least $30K and have done the ‘lords' a service by doing the ‘menial' jobs). There are Billions in queues awaiting to come to ‘promised land'. All in all, immigrants are the one to blame as NOBODY tells the REAL situation to their friends and family back home.
Article details...
Why some immigrants leave Canada
By Baisakhi Roy
April 11, 2012
on
http://canadianimmigrant(dot)ca/community/why-some-immigrants-want-to-leave-canada
Why some immigrants leave Canada
By Baisakhi Roy
April 11, 2012
on
http://canadianimmigrant(dot)ca/community/why-some-immigrants-want-to-leave-canada
Wow... This really makes you wonder, but still it's written by those who failed. Maybe we should look at some other experiences too. We have people here already working for, or living in CA.GJG said:
GJG said:
Did also had a look after having searched for "Wendy Cukier skilled worker or business class left Canada within their first 10 years" on google...
The search returned this...
"http://www.iep(dot)ca/12documents/Diversity_Innovaton__Global_Competitiveness__CH_2012Feb09.pdf"
(REPACE (dot) WITH '.' )
Look at 22nd onwards pages of the report...
:-X
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GJG said:
Gee GJG, there really are two sides in a coin, two sides of a story, etc. Got to take the good with the bad brother. Thats a fact of life.
Hmmm.....luckycheeks said:
Agreed...
And applying...
As said by Vats... the word "Positive" things as well as after reading a forum on this site...Helped me...
Thanks... ;D
I guess GJG you are looking only at one side of the coin. Good and bad experiences are worldwide and not particular to Canada. How you apply yourself in any environment can determine the responses you get. If you have such bad information about Canada, why bother your thoughts about leaving your country or current base? Migrating in my opinion is a personal decision. No one experience is the same. If you belief you will not succeed, you will not succeed!
Success in life can come out of certain factors: hard work, opportunity, grace and some element of luck! Remember, most countries cannot afford to start an immigration program into their territory as its focus is always based on the economy. If not, there would have been programs based on sports, religion, belief, etc.
Success in life can come out of certain factors: hard work, opportunity, grace and some element of luck! Remember, most countries cannot afford to start an immigration program into their territory as its focus is always based on the economy. If not, there would have been programs based on sports, religion, belief, etc.
luckycheeks
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- Jun 21, 2013
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- Category........
- Visa Office......
- Manila
- NOC Code......
- 2134
- Job Offer........
- Pre-Assessed..
- App. Filed.......
- 22-05-2013
- AOR Received.
- PER Received: 07-08-2013
- IELTS Request
- Isinama na sa application
- File Transfer...
- April 2, 2014
- Med's Request
- April 17, 2014
- Med's Done....
- April 24, 2014
- Interview........
- None
- Passport Req..
- June 17, 2014
- VISA ISSUED...
- July 18, 2014
- LANDED..........
- Oct. 3, 2014
I have a query, if experts could please share their thoughts on it.
I have a Canada Temporary Worker Visa and with that I was assigned a UCI.
1. Would my new FSW application be tagged to the same UCI or will I get a fresh new UCI.
2. I tried searching for this UCI in ECAS system but they were not able to identify me with the information I provided (along with UCI). Is it because my Temp Worker Visa was already processed?
Thanks.
I have a Canada Temporary Worker Visa and with that I was assigned a UCI.
1. Would my new FSW application be tagged to the same UCI or will I get a fresh new UCI.
2. I tried searching for this UCI in ECAS system but they were not able to identify me with the information I provided (along with UCI). Is it because my Temp Worker Visa was already processed?
Thanks.
I dont want to bring negativity around here but trust me, Canada is overrated, just because of its southern Big Brother...I am a canadian graduate, spent 4 years studying and when my turn came to get immigration, they sucked up the time on CEC and then shut down FSW..
The Immigration Department sucks sooooo much. On one hand Canadians claim that the uneployment is so high and on the another hand it takes 20 minutes to reach a CIC Officer on the phone, to just tell that he is unable to provide status on my application..
1 Guy here lost his chance of getting PR this year because they lost his IELTS?!? Great..Couldnt they contact him and say hey mister, we have received your file and couldnt find the IELTS scorecard. Give the dude some time to explain man..
All people applying are humans and even the assessors are humans there is bound to be error somewhere.
So last year I got fed up with CIC crap and I applied for Australian PR..Do you know how long it took me? Less than 4 months!! Police Clearance, Medicals, Employment Verification, Background Checks, IELTS!! it all took 4 months..And trust me they have a lot more applicants than Canada..
Anyway, I havent left for Australia yet if I dont hear from CIC soon I am packing my bags towards Australia where I can stay on the beach all year around!
Sad, They took me in without me investing anything except application fees and here in Canada they wouldnt let me get my PR despite paying 4 years international fees for Uni
The Immigration Department sucks sooooo much. On one hand Canadians claim that the uneployment is so high and on the another hand it takes 20 minutes to reach a CIC Officer on the phone, to just tell that he is unable to provide status on my application..
1 Guy here lost his chance of getting PR this year because they lost his IELTS?!? Great..Couldnt they contact him and say hey mister, we have received your file and couldnt find the IELTS scorecard. Give the dude some time to explain man..
All people applying are humans and even the assessors are humans there is bound to be error somewhere.
So last year I got fed up with CIC crap and I applied for Australian PR..Do you know how long it took me? Less than 4 months!! Police Clearance, Medicals, Employment Verification, Background Checks, IELTS!! it all took 4 months..And trust me they have a lot more applicants than Canada..
Anyway, I havent left for Australia yet if I dont hear from CIC soon I am packing my bags towards Australia where I can stay on the beach all year around!
Sad, They took me in without me investing anything except application fees and here in Canada they wouldnt let me get my PR despite paying 4 years international fees for Uni
1. Same UCI forever.geeka said:
2. No, when you apply for a visitor visa at the local VO in person, they usually do not enter the details in this system. However, if you applied online, then it should reflect on ECAS. I have my UCI based on my previous visa apps but when I log in to ECAS, it gives me an error message as if there were no details on the system. Just be patient - your FSW details will only show on ECAS once your payment has gone through and you have received PER email (or are going to imminently).
Hope this helps.