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[PRANIT01]

Big reason for that is that Canada(unlike the US) allows individuals build their entire family here. So, large family structures, practices, etc (I'm talking about the good parts of it) flourished here in Canada. E.g. If you are sick, you got a mom/dad/mother-in-law/father-in-law/uncle/etc to look after. In a typical western family, you'd take a medicine and your mom living 15kms away won't even show up.

Most coworkers that I had when I was in the US from India/Pakistan/Philippines/etc had no family support there. We had to live on top of processed foods, more individualistic lifestyle, etc - but I saw the same people live a more family centered life now in Canada. This is a good thing by all means.

About the language thing - given the number and concentration of Indians here - I think that's only logical to happen. I'm not ashamed of talking in my language and especially if it is easy to communicate in it. Ukrainians in Canada do the same and I see no one complain as much.

About westernization - there are some real bad things about 100% westernization:
1. processed food
2. less family focused life
3. no social constraints and currencies

The idea that good things back home are lame isn't as true. I know a lot of people judge someone for not being progressive enough for even following the right thing, but hey, I'm not feeding myself cancer inducing production line food just to look cool. Pseudo standards and shallow progressiveness are bad in the long run.

So many good things in Canadian culture to absorb, but a lot of cautionary tales here as well

Hmm this is a topic which I always get burned because of controversial opinions.
First I am not ashamed of being indian .
Indians I classify into different categories,
First who hates being an indian which you can see among especially punjabis why I called them out because I have heard them telling this all the time ,I am not talking about 100%,they overcompensate

People who loves india and are not ready to change ,this are the guys I think we are talking about here the issue is their social gathering, it is very different from a western or even some indian gatherings for eg place where I am from it is extremely offensive to talk loudly and you can't disrespect people there ,yeah A holes are there no que in that, so when I went for this gatherings I was feeling uncomfortable ,they are nice people but it is too much for me always talking about money, I am frugal and I am financially literate but this is another league. Breaking rules and regulations is another one that is acceptable but bragging really?
Cooking styles this is where I am gonna get most hate first the kitchen is designed for a total different cuisine, you can't cook with a bunch of spices without turning exhaust on and going out wearing same clothes because honestly it stinks this is not only for indian Cooking .
3 rd category I honestly don't care if someone comes and talk to me in malayalam I actuallylike that , now a days people are too sensitive to everything, about this category they mind their own business they don't bother others form groups, shouts etc .I still don't understand the notion of playing loud music and celebrating festival when I was even there in india .I think q large portion of the problem will disappear if people stop forming groups and stop bothering people .look at students protesting in pei really guys seriously?

 

[GandiBaat]

I have a theory, but I do need everyone else's opinion too. I think that the Federal goverment knows, that most peoples Work permits expire in MAY or JUNE. That's why they don't do any draws... May and June makes sense because thats when most programs finish, and thats when most colleges and uni's finish their programs... A 3 year PGWP might start in may of 2021, and it will end in May of 2024 (Assuming 3 year). Basically, they are doing what they can to kick the students out.... you can't get a BOWP and stay in Canada if your WP is expired..... it's sad.... thats not the canada I knew a few years ago.

While I wont put it beyond IRCC to use these sneaky techniques, let me put it in this way: when you are doing something for popularity you do it publicly and not in a sneaky way. The simplest answer I guess is they dont care.

 

[Hopeful007]

I have a theory, but I do need everyone else's opinion too. I think that the Federal goverment knows, that most peoples Work permits expire in MAY or JUNE. That's why they don't do any draws... May and June makes sense because thats when most programs finish, and thats when most colleges and uni's finish their programs... A 3 year PGWP might start in may of 2021, and it will end in May of 2024 (Assuming 3 year). Basically, they are doing what they can to kick the students out.... you can't get a BOWP and stay in Canada if your WP is expired..... it's sad.... thats not the canada I knew a few years ago.

They are not trying to kick out, that's the surprising part for me.
This is not the country I knew kind of talk makes no sense to me. Most people are motivated by their self interest.
So it's surprising that this government is ok to lose the election over immigration considering how much effort they put into gaslighting Canadians.
I guess it's a cycle, every generation some politicians try to make immigrants cash cows and get burnt. Then come years of austerity, then after it's forgotten it repeats.

 

[seadrag0n]

Plan to let undocumented migrants stay in Canada to be examined by PM, ministers

Someone explain to me why the Canadian government is so hellbent on immigration even after what is happening? They are now encouraging illegal immigration, guess what all the lamdas will do.

Maybe these politicians are not personally effected by the cost of living crisis and are making these stupid policies.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-plan-to-let-undocumented-migrants-stay-in-canada-to-be-examined-by-pm/

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Hmm this is a topic which I always get burned because of controversial opinions.
First I am not ashamed of being indian .
Indians I classify into different categories,
First who hates being an indian which you can see among especially punjabis why I called them out because I have heard them telling this all the time ,I am not talking about 100%,they overcompensate

People who loves india and are not ready to change ,this are the guys I think we are talking about here the issue is their social gathering, it is very different from a western or even some indian gatherings for eg place where I am from it is extremely offensive to talk loudly and you can't disrespect people there ,yeah A holes are there no que in that, so when I went for this gatherings I was feeling uncomfortable ,they are nice people but it is too much for me always talking about money, I am frugal and I am financially literate but this is another league. Breaking rules and regulations is another one that is acceptable but bragging really?
Cooking styles this is where I am gonna get most hate first the kitchen is designed for a total different cuisine, you can't cook with a bunch of spices without turning exhaust on and going out wearing same clothes because honestly it stinks this is not only for indian Cooking .
3 rd category I honestly don't care if someone comes and talk to me in malayalam I actuallylike that , now a days people are too sensitive to everything, about this category they mind their own business they don't bother others form groups, shouts etc .I still don't understand the notion of playing loud music and celebrating festival when I was even there in india .I think q large portion of the problem will disappear if people stop forming groups and stop bothering people .look at students protesting in pei really guys seriously?

I see this a bit too. Some old immigrants act as if they are something special. So many of them of them (especially the business owners) ran borderline scam/fraud/illegal businesses and are highly likely to be slumlords. Yet, they act high and mighty as if the new ones are an issue. When it unfolds (and it should), old immigrants need to be shamed for how they kept on scamming newcomers. I've seen this with nearly every immigrant group too. Also has a lot to do with people never really doing anything in their lives beyond real estate, cheap retail businesses, etc. No desire to innovate leads them to do what shouldn't be done in a dying economy.

About those who are unwilling to leave the bad habits behind - I agree, they are a pain. Canada happily takes the bottom 25% talent from world and I don't see it changing anytime sooner. Be it those immigrants that came in 80s, 90s and who made Brampton and Surrey the trash they really are or the int'l students - it hasn't really changed from decades. They just scaled it exponentially over the last 5 years.

Canada's lack of focus on a system that rewards people who work hard and can transform the nation is bad. It has been that way since the 80s. I went to "Chai Bar" in Savanna, I left without ever parking my car that day. I was extremely uncomfortable by the type of crowd I saw there - I don't judge, but it felt like a gang-land. Loud music in cars, people with zero expressions on the face, no driving etiquette, possibly high, etc. You know a place is bad if women dodge these locations - you won't ever find a single woman there(most come with groups/familiies), and most I talked to feel uncomfortable in these places. I'm not going back there ever either (Chai bar in Westwinds is lovely though!).

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Plan to let undocumented migrants stay in Canada to be examined by PM, ministers

Someone explain to me why the Canadian government is so hellbent on immigration even after what is happening? They are now encouraging illegal immigration, guess what all the lamdas will do.

Maybe these politicians are not personally effected by the cost of living crisis and are making these stupid policies.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-plan-to-let-undocumented-migrants-stay-in-canada-to-be-examined-by-pm/

Not all undocumented migrants, but some definitely fall victim to long term abuse, have kids who know nothing beyond Canada, etc - there might be a case for those few undocumented migrants. If let's say there are a million undocumented migrants working at $8/hr - that's an extreme disadvantage to Canadians who want to compete for the same jobs but can't. If there was an easy, cheap way to do it, I'd assume they'd all have been deported by now.

There's the other side to giving undocumented migrants a permanent status, which is to gain political edge. Given JT exploits minority votes, might just be his move to appease minority vote banks.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

They are not trying to kick out, that's the surprising part for me.
This is not the country I knew kind of talk makes no sense to me. Most people are motivated by their self interest.
So it's surprising that this government is ok to lose the election over immigration considering how much effort they put into gaslighting Canadians.
I guess it's a cycle, every generation some politicians try to make immigrants cash cows and get burnt. Then come years of austerity, then after it's forgotten it repeats.

I think they tried, but surprising to see JT's approval ratings only tanking even after so much minority appeasement: https://angusreid.org/trudeau-tracker/

 

[PRANIT01]

I see this a bit too. Some old immigrants act as if they are something special. So many of them of them (especially the business owners) ran borderline scam/fraud/illegal businesses and are highly likely to be slumlords. Yet, they act high and mighty as if the new ones are an issue. When it unfolds (and it should), old immigrants need to be shamed for how they kept on scamming newcomers. I've seen this with nearly every immigrant group too. Also has a lot to do with people never really doing anything in their lives beyond real estate, cheap retail businesses, etc. No desire to innovate leads them to do what shouldn't be done in a dying economy.

About those who are unwilling to leave the bad habits behind - I agree, they are a pain. Canada happily takes the bottom 25% talent from world and I don't see it changing anytime sooner. Be it those immigrants that came in 80s, 90s and who made Brampton and Surrey the trash they really are or the int'l students - it hasn't really changed from decades. They just scaled it exponentially over the last 5 years.

Canada's lack of focus on a system that rewards people who work hard and can transform the nation is bad. It has been that way since the 80s. I went to "Chai Bar" in Savanna, I left without ever parking my car that day. I was extremely uncomfortable by the type of crowd I saw there - I don't judge, but it felt like a gang-land. Loud music in cars, people with zero expressions on the face, no driving etiquette, possibly high, etc. You know a place is bad if women dodge these locations - you won't ever find a single woman there(most come with groups/familiies), and most I talked to feel uncomfortable in these places. I'm not going back there ever either (Chai bar in Westwinds is lovely though!).

Honestly man can't live with drama of NE calgary .I took my wife everywhere except that quadrant it is too much.

 

[abhiram.kumar]

I think they tried, but surprising to see JT's approval ratings only tanking even after so much minority appeasement: https://angusreid.org/trudeau-tracker/

Because, believe it or not, immigrants and minorities are not a monolithic voting block. They vote for their own interests. If their own pockets are hurt because of mass third world immigration or just mass immigration in general, they will swing heavily towards the right. Heck, most immigrants who leave third world countries don’t want to see third world practices to follow them to their host countries. Like I said earlier, politicians who assume that Canadians are not like others when it comes to immigration, are extremely foolish and are going to get a rude awakening when what’s happening in Europe will eventually take hold over here in Canada. Netherlands, which is an extremely multicultural and multiracial country just voted in Geert Wilders, an extreme right candidate. This guy was considered an absolute joke, a decade ago and now he’s successfully formed a government. A liberal country can only be open to a specific limit. When politicians begin to test those limits, the results backfire. These are just lessons for Canada.

 

[Lord_Tony]

A year and a half is still left for the Canadian elections and since JT's rating is crashing I feel he won't call for an early election now like he did last time. Also it looks like Trump will win again in the USA I'm wondering if that will lead to JT regaining; liberal sympathizers or if it will fire up PP and more conservatism in Canada. Any guesses?

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Because, believe it or not, immigrants and minorities are not a monolithic voting block. They vote for their own interests. If their own pockets are hurt because of mass third world immigration or just mass immigration in general, they will swing heavily towards the right. Heck, most immigrants who leave third world countries don’t want to see third world practices to follow them to their host countries. Like I said earlier, politicians who assume that Canadians are not like others when it comes to immigration, are extremely foolish and are going to get a rude awakening when what’s happening in Europe will eventually take hold over here in Canada. Netherlands, which is an extremely multicultural and multiracial country just voted in Geert Wilders, an extreme right candidate. This guy was considered an absolute joke, a decade ago and now he’s successfully formed a government. A liberal country can only be open to a specific limit. When politicians begin to test those limits, the results backfire. These are just lessons for Canada.

Don't you think immigrants like us are very few in numbers here? A lot more immigrants who came to Canada are completely opposite of us in terms of value, economics, lifestyle, etc.

I feel, we no longer are a representative of migrants here. Poor practices or whatever we call them are a way of life for so many immigrants here. I don't see it changing. I see posts around rental discrimination on my local Fb group, when I suggest that people shouldn't discriminate, it feels like I'm the only one who even cares about it. Talking to so many entrepreneurs here and seeing them salivate on selling LMIAs, hiring int'l students for below minimum wage, etc makes me feel that they want those bad practices here.

 

[aj534160]

https://www.saltwire.com/halifax/news/peopleve-been-throwing-things-at-us-pei-foreign-workers-in-fifth-day-of-hunger-strike-100968286/

 

[Lord_Tony]

Don't you think immigrants like us are very few in numbers here? A lot more immigrants who came to Canada are completely opposite of us in terms of value, economics, lifestyle, etc.

I feel, we no longer are a representative of migrants here. Poor practices or whatever we call them are a way of life for so many immigrants here. I don't see it changing. I see posts around rental discrimination on my local Fb group, when I suggest that people shouldn't discriminate, it feels like I'm the only one who even cares about it. Talking to so many entrepreneurs here and seeing them salivate on selling LMIAs, hiring int'l students for below minimum wage, etc makes me feel that they want those bad practices here.

I agree that most people in the groups or forums don't care these days but that does not mean they support such acts either. Yes, I have also seen a lot of these undesirable activities daily done by more and more immigrants themselves which is sad. What I wonder is aren't most of these unlawful as well, why isn't the government not acting on them? Is it because none of us complain to the right authorities or are the authorities complicit or in bed with these fraudsters?

 

[Lord_Tony]

One prime example I see happening in my neighborhood or read in the news daily is car thefts. According to some news articles, stolen cars are exported to the Middle East, parts of Africa, etc... My gut feeling says either corrupt Canadian government officials are assisting the theft ring bosses or flawed loopholes in the way customs and border protection authorities work are enabling these thefts.
- What amazes me is neither the government nor the respective authorities seem to act.
- Or is it because people like us are not protesting enough for the politicians or officials to do their duties?

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

https://www.saltwire.com/halifax/news/peopleve-been-throwing-things-at-us-pei-foreign-workers-in-fifth-day-of-hunger-strike-100968286/

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