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@GandiBaat I won't blame your wife even my ass froze in -30c ,If I am not wrong you don't have a car isn't it ? Good luck with calgary lol unless you work From home.I will give calgary 8/10 without considering weather but with weather 2/10 and there is no good restaurants in calgary, indian restaurants here sucks,other than Jerusalem shawarma not even Mediterranean stuffs .
 

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All fair points. But sadly these issues are not limited to Canada. It seems like it's very similar in the UK. And yes, the UK may not be bringing such number of immigrants but that's part of the problem - since Brexit there isn't enough healthcare staff, lorry drivers, etc. etc. Plus 10+ years of austerity, frozen pay in the public sector, etc.

And regarding unrealistic expectations - I'm honestly not sure if there are currently any 1st world countries with strong economies. It just feels like we need another couple of years for everything to stabilise after all this covid-related crap. Personally, I'm expecting big-ish pullback in the stock market at some point in the next few months, a recession, and eventually a drop in real estate prices and then a slow recovery.
The United States, nothing really compares to this country. I bought my place cash with a year's worth of salary. Unfortunately, it is so hard to settle here legally and get a green card, hence Canada is the alternative. I think I would never be able to buy property in Canada unless I buy in the middle of nowhere. Especially, when you take into account the huge pay cuts I have to endure. I begrudgingly will have to leave this country.
 
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Arod

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The United States, nothing really compares to this country. I bought my place cash with a year's worth of salary. Unfortunately, it is so hard to settle here legally and get a green card, hence Canada is the alternative. I think I would never be able to buy property in Canada unless I buy in the middle of nowhere. Especially, when you take into account the huge pay cuts I have to endure. I begrudgingly will have to leave this country.
But then you would have to live in the US, mass shootings almost daily, tent cities on every corner, 50% of the population believing in populist politicians and conspiracy theories rather than science, millions of uneducated illegal immigrants pouring in, super expensive healthcare, racial tensions, etc.

The more desirable a place is the more expensive, that is why it's easier to buy a house in Wichita Kansas than in New York, or Toronto for that matter.
 
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But then you would have to live in the US, mass shootings almost daily, tent cities on every corner, 50% of the population believing in populist politicians and conspiracy theories rather than science, millions of uneducated illegal immigrants pouring in, super expensive healthcare, racial tensions, etc.
The probability of being affected of that mass shooting is fairly low (albeit, it would be the best if it would be 0); tent cities exist in Toronto pretty much everywhere; I mean, Canadians keep re-electing JT and Ford so it's kinda wrong to talk about what the population in the States believe in; there are 440K of immigrants are coming in every year to Canada -> the major difference is that the USA is much bigger than Canada, so 440K feel much worse than those millions; healthcare is sponsored through employers; kinda hard to have racial tensions when you have a society full of immigrants and people of color.
 
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The United States, nothing really compares to this country. I bought my place cash with a year's worth of salary
Agree. I looked at houses in Houston. 2 stores, 6 rooms, 3 bathrooms, gated entrance, private access to lake.... 700K. Salary that I could potentially gotten (but no visa sponsorship) 250K + signup bonus.
 

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The probability of being affected of that mass shooting is fairly low (albeit, it would be the best if it would be 0);
Tell that to the thousands of families who had their children killed at school by some lunatic who shouldn't have had access to a gun in the first place.

Toronto has homeless people, but you won't see anything like Skid Row or Kensington Avenue there. Let's not pretend that they are the same.

You mention Healthcare being "sponsored" by employers, first of all, that depends on who your employer is, not all companies offer good healthcare plans. Secondly, what happens if you lose your job or can't work anymore because of a permanent disability and need medical services?

The grass is not always greener on the other side.
 
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Tell that to the thousands of families who had their children killed at school by some lunatic who shouldn't have had access to a gun in the first place.

Toronto has homeless people, but you won't see anything like Skid Row or Kensington Avenue there. Let's not pretend that they are the same.

You mention Healthcare being "sponsored" by employers, first of all, that depends on who your employer is, not all companies offer good healthcare plans. Secondly, what happens if you lose your job or can't work anymore because of a permanent disability and need medical services?

The grass is not always greener on the other side.
Never said that the USA doesn't have a gun control problem. Just said that the probability of being affected by one is not that high. If I use your logic, I wouldn't drive a car either because of "thousands of families" who lost someone in a car accident.

Skid row is just one place in a huge country. Sure, Philly is another place with problems like that. However, if we compare sizes of countries, then the problem with homeless people in Toronto is not that much better than one in the USA.

Most of employers I have ever interviewed with offer a pretty good healthcare plan. If I need help, I will be able to get it on time; instead of waiting for a year for MRI or 17 hours in ER room. In the end of the day, that's one of the aspects I would be evaluating when looking for a new job. You using an extreme case again: "Can't work anymore because of a permanent disability". I would surprise you with a simple fact. If I won't be able to work anymore, I won't survive in Canada either. In that case, I would buy a ticket and fly back home. With my savings, I would be able to live pretty comfortably. I will, however, be able to save way more money in the USA than in Canada.

Not really. For me, Canada is a temporary step. I will be here until I get my citizenship and then move to the USA.
 

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Skid row is just one place in a huge country. Sure, Philly is another place with problems like that. However, if we compare sizes of countries, then the problem with homeless people in Toronto is not that much better than one in the USA.

Not really. For me, Canada is a temporary step. I will be here until I get my citizenship and then move to the USA.
Except, it is. I saw more homeless people living in the streets of San Francisco alone than I've ever seen in all of Canada. There is a reason the US keeps falling in most livability rankings, almost reaching Third World levels. Check Nick Johnson's videos on YouTube so you can see for yourself.

That said, if you still want to believe it's the land of milk and honey and plan to move there good for you, but don't come here trying to sell us a reality that doesn't exist.
 
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but don't come here trying to sell us a reality that doesn't exist.
I am here not to persuade you and someone like you.

If someone wants to settle down in Canada, no problems. If someone wants to achieve more financially, then the USA is the place to be.

if you still want to believe it's the land of milk and honey and plan to move there good for you
Never said that. The USA is better for me based on the factors that I find important in life.
 

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The probability of being affected of that mass shooting is fairly low (albeit, it would be the best if it would be 0); tent cities exist in Toronto pretty much everywhere; I mean, Canadians keep re-electing JT and Ford so it's kinda wrong to talk about what the population in the States believe in; there are 440K of immigrants are coming in every year to Canada -> the major difference is that the USA is much bigger than Canada, so 440K feel much worse than those millions; healthcare is sponsored through employers; kinda hard to have racial tensions when you have a society full of immigrants and people of color.
Its not just the mass shooting, its the threat of being shot that is a problem too. In USA every moron who cann't even tie his or her or its or their or whatever can get a gun and ammunition. This makes police extra "on the edge". Means if they stop you and you make one mistake (like moving hand where you should not and things like that), they will shoot you first and then deal with it later.


I live in the "City with highest severity of crime" in BC (https://www.victoriabuzz.com/2022/08/victoria-has-the-highest-crime-severity-of-any-municipally-policed-community-in-bc/). Yet any gun violence is so rare that last time it happened it was in news for a month.
 
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I am here not to persuade you and someone like you.

If someone wants to settle down in Canada, no problems. If someone wants to achieve more financially, then the USA is the place to be.


Never said that. The USA is better for me based on the factors that I find important in life.
Hi, I am also considering moving to US on TN1 after I get my Canadian citizenship. I was wondering if you have any idea on how to navigate the notice period in Canada when moving on TN1. They say if you show up at the US border more than 10 days before your job start date, they would ask you go come back closer to your job start date. But you need to give 14 days notice in Canada. Hence it looks like we need to resign in Canada before we get TN1 status and then risk getting TN1 denial after the resignation. Wondering if you had any idea on dealing with that since you also seem to be interested in move to US on a TN1, I hope you don't mind me hijacking the thread for just a bit. Thank you!
 
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Its not just the mass shooting, its the threat of being shot that is a problem too. In USA every moron who cann't even tie his or her or its or their or whatever can get a gun and ammunition. This makes police extra "on the edge".
Sure. I have never said that gun control is not a problem. Mass shootings happen and it's a shame. However, in a sense, I don't feel secure in Toronto. Can explain why. In the mid-December, I saw a homeless guy attacking a woman. He just punched her in the face and kept walking as she was bleeding. I saw cops and approached them and they said that because it's not their jurisdiction, I have to call 911. I did. By the time the dispatcher got my call, the guy just disappeared. This doesn't excuse the mass access to guns. I just want to point out that whoever wants to get a gun will be able to do so in Canada as well. Black market exists here as well.

There are certain things that matter to me in my life. Canada won't be able to help me achieve those things. Thus, it's just a temporary step.