FSW/CEC POF for EE/people in canada working can show $0

[dobes]

So, I called CIC for this issue today.
and i found out that they don't have any information on this "as usual". But, they have emailed me a web form where I can ask question to the express entry team directly. So as soon as I hear back from them, I will update you guys.

Another question: If you put 0 in pof when you create your FSW profile, will you ever get ITA under FSW?

I am really looking forward to hearing what they say! Please also report your exact question, as well as their answer.

I have no idea if you will get an FSW ITA in those circumstances, but people who have reduced their funds to 0 but reported having a job that was not LMIA supported were still told they met the criteria for FSW.

BTW, and for what it's worth, on my documents page for FSW, it asks for "means of support", not "proof of funds". It still asks for the bank letter (I had to attach 6 months of statements because for some reason the bank could not understand that they were supposed to provide average balances for the past 6 months), and it asks for my "job offer", "reference for current job" and a "letter of employment" for my current job, but it does not ask for the T4 or NoA - though I provided them with the bank letter and statements.

 

[mars_xiao]

So, I called CIC for this issue today.
and i found out that they don't have any information on this "as usual". But, they have emailed me a web form where I can ask question to the express entry team directly. So as soon as I hear back from them, I will update you guys.

Another question: If you put 0 in pof when you create your FSW profile, will you ever get ITA under FSW?

Looking forward to hearing the feedback!

Not sure if I should keep it as 0 now...

 

[doobie.doobie]

I am really looking forward to hearing what they say! Please also report your exact question, as well as their answer.

I have no idea if you will get an FSW ITA in those circumstances, but people who have reduced their funds to 0 but reported having a job that was not LMIA supported were still told they met the criteria for FSW.

BTW, and for what it's worth, on my documents page for FSW, it asks for "means of support", not "proof of funds". It still asks for the bank letter (I had to attach 6 months of statements because for some reason the bank could not understand that they were supposed to provide average balances for the past 6 months), and it asks for my "job offer", "reference for current job" and a "letter of employment" for my current job, but it does not ask for the T4 or NoA - though I provided them with the bank letter and statements.

in means of support section, my friend only sent his pay stubs, t4 and NOA.
if this holds to be true, its a big find. like I can just put $12,000 get ita and then reduce it to 0. and I am all set.

 

[ButterflyChemist]

I would just like to point out that regardless of what the system says, the rules are clear and your file will be reviewed by a living breathing person. Messing around with your profile is not a good idea and if people start changing funds after ITA there could be issues. If you remember clearly, a lot of persons got that their profiles were ineligible when CIC revised the amount of funds so just because the system hasn't caught up with some people at this point doesn't mean they won't. Lastly you were issued an ITA based on your profile at the time of whichever draw you were selected in. To my mind, changing anything after an ITA is risky and CIC could soon wise up to this loop hole (if it is one).

 

[doobie.doobie]

I would just like to point out that regardless of what the system says, the rules are clear and your file will be reviewed by a living breathing person. Messing around with your profile is not a good idea and if people start changing funds after ITA there could be issues. If you remember clearly, a lot of persons got that their profiles were ineligible when CIC revised the amount of funds so just because the system hasn't caught up with some people at this point doesn't mean they won't. Lastly you were issued an ITA based on your profile at the time of whichever draw you were selected in. To my mind, changing anything after an ITA is risky and CIC could soon wise up to this loop hole (if it is one).

two things I would like to point out.
a) yes, $12000 is requirement for FSW but also you don't have to show pof if you are already working in Canada. (My friend called CIC and that's what they confirmed. Also, when I contacted they have emailed me a web form for my query for which I am awating answer)
b) It is important to know that you can "update" your profile if its not making any difference in points; pof changes don't do anything on the profile.
P.S. I would like to wait for my friend's application. See, if he gets RPRF done or passport req. Then, this whole argument will reach a common ground.

 

[dobes]

in means of support section, my friend only sent his pay stubs, t4 and NOA.
if this holds to be true, its a big find. like I can just put $12,000 get ita and then reduce it to 0. and I am all set.

Yes! I am so curious about the outcome for your very brave friend!

Although I don't mean to endorse changing your profile. Other people have reported that you can put in 0 at the beginning, say "yes" to job offer, "no" to LMIA, and still get qualified for FSW as well as CIC. How about just telling the truth about what you have on your initial EE application?

 

[dobes]

Looking forward to hearing the feedback!

Not sure if I should keep it as 0 now...

Why not write what is true? Write what you have, and say you have a job offer but not LMIA. That way, if they invite you under FSW but shouldn't have, it will be on them, not you.

 

[mars_xiao]

Why not write what is true? Write what you have, and say you have a job offer but not LMIA. That way, if they invite you under FSW but shouldn't have, it will be on them, not you.

While truth is that I have enough funds but I don't want to bother providing evidence. Because it's a waste of time, to everybody.

Why can't we just choose by ourselves the easiest way to go with. It was the case but not under EE now. If you tell the truth, they will say no no, we want you to go with FSW but not CEC, please provide more documents...Does it benefit them, No.

 

[ButterflyChemist]

two things I would like to point out.
a) yes, $12000 is requirement for FSW but also you don't have to show pof if you are already working in Canada. (My friend called CIC and that's what they confirmed. Also, when I contacted they have emailed me a web form for my query for which I am awating answer)
b) It is important to know that you can "update" your profile if its not making any difference in points; pof changes don't do anything on the profile.
P.S. I would like to wait for my friend's application. See, if he gets RPRF done or passport req. Then, this whole argument will reach a common ground.

I'm really not into going back and forth. I know for a fact that many persons have called CIC and gotten inaccurate information. It's written on here all the time. Call today they say one thing call tomorrow someone says something else. Your own experience should tell you this. Why would someone say "yes" one day and someone else say "I don't have any information on this, send and email" on another? I'm not debating about what will affect points or otherwise. Regardless of what your friend was told we know what the rules are.

 

[dobes]

While truth is that I have enough funds but I don't want to bother providing evidence. Because it's a waste of time, to everybody.

Why can't we just choose by ourselves the easiest way to go with. It was the case but not under EE now. If you tell the truth, they will say no no, we want you to go with FSW but not CEC, please provide more documents...Does it benefit them, No.

We were just talking about this at dinner, in relation to the poor helicopter pilot on this board whose application got sent back when he neglected to get his education evaluated by WES before turning in his application. I was saying that it would be a good idea for CIC to evaluate and tell you what they believe you are eligible for - and then let you decline one or more categories right there. That way, we could choose which programs we want to take our chances on without feeling the need to manipulate answers on the EE section.

It wasn't difficult to get a letter from RBC about my bank accounts, though it took two tries to get it right - and now everyone at the branch is fascinated by this immigration process, which they apparently hadn't been aware of before.

 

[doobie.doobie]

I'm really not into going back and forth. I know for a fact that many persons have called CIC and gotten inaccurate information. It's written on here all the time. Call today they say one thing call tomorrow someone says something else. Your own experience should tell you this. Why would someone say "yes" one day and someone else say "I don't have any information on this, send and email" on another? I'm not debating about what will affect points or otherwise. Regardless of what your friend was told we know what the rules are.

Dude, I am aware of what is on website. But, I am trying to help and get this information clear for everyone out there. So that there will be less declines.
Anyways, you seem to be too arrogant with the knowledge you have.
I guess the objective of this forum is to help each other out rather going to a lawyer and spending money.
If you are not ready to go back and forth, stay out of the discussion.

 

[doobie.doobie]

We were just talking about this at dinner, in relation to the poor helicopter pilot on this board whose application got sent back when he neglected to get his education evaluated by WES before turning in his application. I was saying that it would be a good idea for CIC to evaluate and tell you what they believe you are eligible for - and then let you decline one or more categories right there. That way, we could choose which programs we want to take our chances on without feeling the need to manipulate answers on the EE section.

It wasn't difficult to get a letter from RBC about my bank accounts, though it took two tries to get it right - and now everyone at the branch is fascinated by this immigration process, which they apparently hadn't been aware of before.

You are right to a certain extent. BTW his RPRF fee also got deducted from his credit card. I guess, the next step would be the passport request.

 

[sujani]

Hello,

I have my ITA and i qualify under CEC, as you all know that under CEC (already in canada with valid job offer and LMIA) you dont need to show any POF. My question is my husband is backhome and he vl be accompanying me, so do I need to show POF for him? (CEC depandants)

 

[amateen]

Hello,

I have a question, if anyone could clarify it please.

I have valid job offer with LMIA, I am applying for FSW from outside canada. Do I still need to show POF ?

Thanks,

 

[GSherriff]

Question for you: so if you put 0 in pof, would you ever get ITA under FSW??

In my experience the amount if funds you have available will not change which program you are eligible under. It comes down to ECA. I am under FSW but don't have much in the bank (I have job with LMIA though). I have my ECA. A work colleague of mine has no ECA and qualifies under CEC. He also has LMIA. Neither of us have to show POF. Only "means of financial support". Letter from bank and statements to show regular income.