FSW/CEC POF for EE/people in canada working can show $0

[GARJ]

I put 0, so I need to prove I have 0?

Depends on what your custom generated checklist asks you for. It generates a custom document checklist according to the program you are applying for and what you answered on your EE profile. If you put 0, and get invited under FSW, they won't ask you for PoF because you said you have a valid job offer. People with valid job offers are exempt from PoF. Do you have a valid job offer backed by an LMIA?

 

[mars_xiao]

Depends on what your custom generated checklist asks you for. It generates a custom document checklist according to the program you are applying for and what you answered on your EE profile. If you put 0, and get invited under FSW, they won't ask you for PoF because you said you have a valid job offer. People with valid job offers are exempt from PoF. Do you have a valid job offer backed by an LMIA?

No. This is exactly the problem of the system. I have a job but not backed by LMIA. Technically it's not "valid" by CIC definition.

I intentionally put it to 0 to save some future document work because I want to go for CEC. It didn't work....

 

[mars_xiao]

Once he changed his pof to 0 his checklist never had any pof segment. So he does not need to show pof and he doesn't has a lmia job.

This is interesting because it's not according to the rule:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/funds.asp

You do not have to show that you have these funds if:

you have a valid offer of arranged employment in Canada AND
you are currently working or authorized to work in Canada.

Offer without LMIA is not "valid".

 

[mars_xiao]

No. This is exactly the problem of the system. I have a job but not backed by LMIA. Technically it's not "valid" by CIC definition.

I intentionally put it to 0 to save some future document work because I want to go for CEC. It didn't work....

Because according to their rule, not having enough funds should make me ineligible for FSW. Come on stupid system!!!

 

[dobes]

No. This is exactly the problem of the system. I have a job but not backed by LMIA. Technically it's not "valid" by CIC definition.

I intentionally put it to 0 to save some future document work because I want to go for CEC. It didn't work....

Don't be so fast to say it is a problem in the system. I have said it once and will say it again until it is proven false -- the question on the EE application is not "Do you have a valid job offer" but "Do you have a job". The idea that it means what it says is reinforced by the next question -- NOT "Please enter your LMIA number", but "Do you have an LMIA?" You and I then answer "no".

I believe -- I truly, truly believe -- and this was confirmed by CIC, but only over the telephone, which we all know is unreliable -- that you were still eligible for FSW when you put 0 funds BECAUSE YOU HAVE A JOB, which provides the necessary funds.

That job could not give you 600 points. But - as CIC said over the phone - it could provide a source of funds adequate to make you eligible for FSW.

I know the prevailing sentiment is that it is a glitch. But the POINT of Proof of Funds - the thing that the LAW (as differentiated from the regulations) requires - is that you can support yourself (and your family, if any) in Canada above a minimum level. Your job most likely does that.

 

[dobes]

CIC updated the funds this year after EE was underway and they left the rest of the information unchanged. I think that's clear enough. The rules of the various programs have not changed. Under FSW you must show proof of funds, of course your salary will be taken into account if you have one but thinking that you won't need to show any funds is naive. I guess time will answer all these questions.

Yes, time will tell. I haven't called you obtuse, so I'll thank you not to call me naive.

 

[doobie.doobie]

Don't be so fast to say it is a problem in the system. I have said it once and will say it again until it is proven false -- the question on the EE application is not "Do you have a valid job offer" but "Do you have a job". The idea that it means what it says is reinforced by the next question -- NOT "Please enter your LMIA number", but "Do you have an LMIA?" You and I then answer "no".

I believe -- I truly, truly believe -- and this was confirmed by CIC, but only over the telephone, which we all know is unreliable -- that you were still eligible for FSW when you put 0 funds BECAUSE YOU HAVE A JOB, which provides the necessary funds.

That job could not give you 600 points. But - as CIC said over the phone - it could provide a source of funds adequate to make you eligible for FSW.

I know the prevailing sentiment is that it is a glitch. But the POINT of Proof of Funds - the thing that the LAW (as differentiated from the regulations) requires - is that you can support yourself (and your family, if any) in Canada above a minimum level. Your job most likely does that.

Question for you: so if you put 0 in pof, would you ever get ITA under FSW??

 

[dobes]

It didn't make your profile ineligible for FSW because you said you have a valid job offer. FSWs are exempt from PoF if they have a valid job offer, so that's why you are still eligible under FSW. If you get invited under FSW and you don't show proof of funds, you'll get denied. That's what would happen.

No, he didn't say that. He said he had a job offer. CIC knows very well the difference between "valid job offer" and "job offer". And the proof that they knew he meant job offer and NOT valid job offer is that he did not get 600 points for his answer.

 

[mars_xiao]

Don't be so fast to say it is a problem in the system. I have said it once and will say it again until it is proven false -- the question on the EE application is not "Do you have a valid job offer" but "Do you have a job". The idea that it means what it says is reinforced by the next question -- NOT "Please enter your LMIA number", but "Do you have an LMIA?" You and I then answer "no".

I believe -- I truly, truly believe -- and this was confirmed by CIC, but only over the telephone, which we all know is unreliable -- that you were still eligible for FSW when you put 0 funds BECAUSE YOU HAVE A JOB, which provides the necessary funds.

That job could not give you 600 points. But - as CIC said over the phone - it could provide a source of funds adequate to make you eligible for FSW.

I know the prevailing sentiment is that it is a glitch. But the POINT of Proof of Funds - the thing that the LAW (as differentiated from the regulations) requires - is that you can support yourself (and your family, if any) in Canada above a minimum level. Your job most likely does that.

I totally agree with you. This makes logical sense.

 

[dobes]

Question for you: so if you put 0 in pof, would you ever get ITA under FSW??

Well, a poster above put his funds down to 0, and was still counted eligible for FSW.

 

[mars_xiao]

Question for you: so if you put 0 in pof, would you ever get ITA under FSW??

We'll see. In my profile it's showing "Met" for FSW. I guess you always get FSW over CEC if you are eligible for both.

 

[dobes]

Once he changed his pof to 0 his checklist never had any pof segment. So he does not need to show pof and he doesn't has a lmia job.

Exactly!

 

[mars_xiao]

No, he didn't say that. He said he had a job offer. CIC knows very well the difference between "valid job offer" and "job offer". And the proof that they knew he meant job offer and NOT valid job offer is that he did not get 600 points for his answer.

I hope so. Because they are doing things differently than what they said on their website.

 

[dobes]

We'll see. In my profile it's showing "Met" for FSW. I guess you always get FSW over CEC if you are eligible for both.

If you truly don't want to be eligible for FSW for some reason, put "no" in job offer AND "0" in funds.

That should work.

 

[doobie.doobie]

So, I called CIC for this issue today.
and i found out that they don't have any information on this "as usual". But, they have emailed me a web form where I can ask question to the express entry team directly. So as soon as I hear back from them, I will update you guys.

Another question: If you put 0 in pof when you create your FSW profile, will you ever get ITA under FSW?