FSW/CEC POF for EE/people in canada working can show $0

[doobie.doobie]

Hi all,
So, I was discussing pof with one of my friend who was got ITA under FSW in the 6th draw. His score was 464.
His profile: He worked for a canadian firm NOC B category for 11 months then he changed his employer and got NOC 0 job.
When he created his express entry profile, in the pof section, he showed $12000. Once, he recieved ITA he told me that he was able to update his information. So in the pof he changed funds to $0. He submitted all his documents and he also recieved his e-AOR.
And now he is waiting for the next step.
My question is, are we even allowed to do that?
he told me that he called CIC and they said that if you are in Canada working full time under a workpermit you don't need to show pof.
Having said that, he was approved on FSW coz of the $12000 he said he has and later he changed it once he got the ITA and also he got AOR.
If yes, then I think everyone who works in Canada and has a fulltime job can do that.
Thoughts?

 

[ButterflyChemist]

Hi all,
So, I was discussing pof with one of my friend who was got ITA under FSW in the 6th draw. His score was 464.
His profile: He worked for a canadian firm NOC B category for 11 months then he changed his employer and got NOC 0 job.
When he created his express entry profile, in the pof section, he showed $12000. Once, he recieved ITA he told me that he was able to update his information. So in the pof he changed funds to $0. He submitted all his documents and he also recieved his e-AOR.
And now he is waiting for the next step.
My question is, are we even allowed to do that?
he told me that he called CIC and they said that if you are in Canada working full time under a workpermit you don't need to show pof.
Having said that, he was approved on FSW coz of the $12000 he said he has and later he changed it once he got the ITA and also he got AOR.
If yes, then I think everyone who works in Canada and has a fulltime job can do that.
Thoughts?

As per CIC:

You do not have to show that you have these funds if:

you have a valid offer of arranged employment in Canada AND
you are currently working or authorized to work in Canada.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/funds.asp

 

[dobes]

As per CIC:

You do not have to show that you have these funds if:

you have a valid offer of arranged employment in Canada AND
you are currently working or authorized to work in Canada.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/funds.asp

Yes, that is what it says on the CIC website. But I also work in Canada under an open work permit, and I also called CIC and got the same answer as Doobie.doobie - your T4 and NoA for a current, full-time permanent job in Canada will be sufficient to show proof of funds.

So that is two confirmations of that point.

I also remember back a couple of months when everyone wanted to be rid of FSW status, many people found that lowering their funds didn't help - and then they disqualified themselves by saying they didn't have a job offer. I think that combination - no to job offer and no to funds would disqualify you from FSW but wonder if either by itself will.

 

[ButterflyChemist]

Yes, that is what it says on the CIC website. But I also work in Canada under an open work permit, and I also called CIC and got the same answer as Doobie.doobie - your T4 and NoA for a current, full-time permanent job in Canada will be sufficient to show proof of funds.

So that is two confirmations of that point.

I also remember back a couple of months when everyone wanted to be rid of FSW status, many people found that lowering their funds didn't help - and then they disqualified themselves by saying they didn't have a job offer. I think that combination - no to job offer and no to funds would disqualify you from FSW but wonder if either by itself will.

Salary is taken into account but to say it is sufficient is the job of the case officer. Calling CIC is not always the best way to get accurate information as has been proven time and again. Follow the rules and you cant go wrong!

 

[zareef]

As per CIC:

You do not have to show that you have these funds if:

you have a valid offer of arranged employment in Canada AND
you are currently working or authorized to work in Canada.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/funds.asp

To add to that, the job offer must be backed by an LMIA for it to be valid. I know it doesn't make much sense for PoF, but that's how it is.

 

[dobes]

To add to that, the job offer must be backed by an LMIA for it to be valid. I know it doesn't make much sense for PoF, but that's how it is.

That's what it says. And that is how it WAS. Not convinced it's how it IS.

It would be nice if some people working on open work permits who have less than the required amount but have a job and salary in Canada could report back whether they got PR under FSW.

Remember that until EE, to get FSW you had to be in one of 50 approved jobs, or have an LMIA-backed position. I was not eligible for FSW until EE, only for CEC, but now have an ITA under FSW.

I do also have the necessary funds, so I can't be a test case for what CIC is saying over the phone - but they have said it at least twice now.

 

[ButterflyChemist]

That's what it says. And that is how it WAS. Not convinced it's how it IS.

It would be nice if some people working on open work permits who have less than the required amount but have a job and salary in Canada could report back whether they got PR under FSW.

Remember that until EE, to get FSW you had to be in one of 50 approved jobs, or have an LMIA-backed position. I was not eligible for FSW until EE, only for CEC, but now have an ITA under FSW.

I do also have the necessary funds, so I can't be a test case for what CIC is saying over the phone - but they have said it at least twice now.

CIC updated the funds this year after EE was underway and they left the rest of the information unchanged. I think that's clear enough. The rules of the various programs have not changed. Under FSW you must show proof of funds, of course your salary will be taken into account if you have one but thinking that you won't need to show any funds is naive. I guess time will answer all these questions.

 

[purplesnow]

the proof of funds is a requirement under FSW. If you don't meet the fund requirement for it, you don't get PR. Simple as.
The only time you don't have to prove funds under FSW is if you are currently working in Canada on an LMIA permit.
The POF is not a requirement under CEC so it doesn't matter how much you show if you are under that stream.
Anyone who says they have the funds to get an ITA and changes it afterwards will most likely be rejected. Don't be messing with the system requirements people, this is something you're trying to get to potentially change your lives, messing with it is a stupid idea.

 

[mf4361]

I agree with @purplesnow too. CEC has never require proof of fund. Before and after EE. Look at people who change the profile to $0, doesn't meet FSW anymore but still meet CEC requirement.

It does require T4 and NOA as a proof of paid employment & work experiences, not for proofing whether one will be able to support him/herself after arriving in Canada.

 

[mars_xiao]

I agree with @ purplesnow too. CEC has never require proof of fund. Before and after EE. Look at people who change the profile to $0, doesn't meet FSW anymore but still meet CEC requirement.

It does require T4 and NOA as a proof of paid employment & work experiences, not for proofing whether one will be able to support him/herself after arriving in Canada.

I just changed my PoF to 0 in my profile. It didn't make FSW ineligible...Stupid system...

I don't want to say in my profile that I don't have a job offer (no LMIA). I wonder what would happen if I am invited under FSW.

 

[mars_xiao]

the proof of funds is a requirement under FSW. If you don't meet the fund requirement for it, you don't get PR. Simple as.
The only time you don't have to prove funds under FSW is if you are currently working in Canada on an LMIA permit.
The POF is not a requirement under CEC so it doesn't matter how much you show if you are under that stream.
Anyone who says they have the funds to get an ITA and changes it afterwards will most likely be rejected. Don't be messing with the system requirements people, this is something you're trying to get to potentially change your lives, messing with it is a stupid idea.

I put 0 but still eligible under FSW. So if there is an ITA I guess it will be FSW.

My job is not on LMIA permit. As you said, I will have to prove the fund even I put 0 there?

 

[doobie.doobie]

Thank you everyone for you response.
But, clearly we are not going in one particular direction.
My friend works under his pgwp which is a full time job without LMIA.
After he recieved his ITA under FSW, he changed the pof to 0 and he was still eligible. The new checklist never said pof. and now he also received his e-AOR.
This mean everyone can do this rather rejceting their ITAs.

 

[GARJ]

I just changed my PoF to 0 in my profile. It didn't make FSW ineligible...Stupid system...

I don't want to say in my profile that I don't have a job offer (no LMIA). I wonder what would happen if I am invited under FSW.

It didn't make your profile ineligible for FSW because you said you have a valid job offer. FSWs are exempt from PoF if they have a valid job offer, so that's why you are still eligible under FSW. If you get invited under FSW and you don't show proof of funds, you'll get denied. That's what would happen.

 

[mars_xiao]

It didn't make your profile ineligible for FSW because you said you have a valid job offer. FSWs are exempt from PoF if they have a valid job offer, so that's why you are still eligible under FSW. If you get invited under FSW and you don't show proof of funds, you'll get denied. That's what would happen.

This is different from what doobie's friends situation. Also, I put 0, so I need to prove I have 0?

 

[doobie.doobie]

Once he changed his pof to 0 his checklist never had any pof segment. So he does not need to show pof and he doesn't has a lmia job.