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FSW 2014 Reject reasons

Goku

VIP Member
Jan 13, 2014
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Jammi said:
Hi
I'm one of the victim who got DM status after the submission of schedule A form. I got my PER in 27 nov and then eventually when I checked my ECAS it shows DM status. No one called or mailed on my work place. Points were more than enough 79. Has passed all steps smoothly then this happens. Haven't received any official letter till todate. Waiting and praying that this might appear as technical fault.
Jammi said:
Just got the refusal letter. From 79 points i drop to 59. My visa officer is also changed. My spouse ielts are not calculated and the most shocking part is that I'm working in uae for the past 15 years under a valid visa and my experience is zero. Wow. They issued me PEr with 0 experience. Superb. Any how I'm happy in my God will. May be Canada is not for me. I'm more than happy here on uae. Cheers.
Looks like an error to me. Waiting surely wont help. Get in touch with good lawyer who are CIC's authorized agents (ICCRC certified agent).

If no Procedure fairness letter has been issued: Appeal in next 15 days, Even ECAS has changed to DM. In appeal letter also mention to give you an interview if they have any concerns regarding anything, and you will be happy to answer all questions.

If Procedure fairness letter has been issued:Ask them for interview.

Very strong chances that your case will be re-opened and will be handed over to another IO. Suggesting you based on recent experience.
 

optimistic candi

Hero Member
Jun 17, 2014
716
37
BC
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
May 17/2016
AOR Received.
June 07/2016
File Transfer...
Aug 2/2016
Med's Done....
sent along
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
BGC in progress on 15 December
VISA ISSUED...
DM on 25 December
Goku said:
Looks like an error to me. Waiting surely wont help. Get in touch with good lawyer who are CIC's authorized agents (ICCRC certified agent).

If no Procedure fairness letter has been issued: Appeal in next 15 days, Even ECAS has changed to DM. In appeal letter also mention to give you an interview if they have any concerns regarding anything, and you will be happy to answer all questions.

If Procedure fairness letter has been issued:Ask them for interview.

Very strong chances that your case will be re-opened and will be handed over to another IO. Suggesting you based on recent experience.
but her jdr and reference letters were not proper. She submitted her appointment letters and jdr she was supposed to follow which the employer provided when she got hired. She must hsve provided the duties performed.
and the only properJDR and reference letter was for the current job which is less than one year.
in proper terms her file must hsve faced a rejection during the initial stage itself before getting PER.
she is unlucky she could have applied again if she had received rejection before getting PER.
 

Goodthings

Newbie
Jan 20, 2015
3
0
Hi Guys

Please, i need your help.

I applied for FSW 2014. I have completed Medicals and my ECAS shows Medicals Received.

The problem is that my VO asked me to submit updated Bank Statement, medicals and RPRF. I had used the money in my account for some issues. But i updated the account and sent to VO, explaining how i got the updated money and what the initial money was used for. I also paid RPRF. Now its over 1 month since i submitted the update, no news from VO. Do you think i have a problem? Should i be worried? Has anyone experienced someone rejected for this reason? Thanks
 

pinoysg2010

Hero Member
Aug 28, 2014
321
14
Visa Office......
SGVO
NOC Code......
2241
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
8 October 2014
Nomination.....
PER: 15 Jan 2015
AOR Received.
18 Feb 2015
Med's Request
10 July 2015
Med's Done....
21 July 2015
Passport Req..
7 September 2015
VISA ISSUED...
23 September 2015
LANDED..........
Feb 2016
what are possible reasons for rejections after PER? Thanks!
 

FSW_Applicant

Hero Member
Aug 29, 2014
404
51
Category........
Visa Office......
CPC-Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
03-Oct-2014
LANDED..........
17-Sep-2015
Some of the possible reasons could be:
1. Medical issues
2. Misrepresentation of facts that might be uncovered during verification
3. Criminality / security issues
4. Fall short of required points due to any reason that was not reported correctly

pinoysg2010 said:
what are possible reasons for rejections after PER? Thanks!
 

pinoysg2010

Hero Member
Aug 28, 2014
321
14
Visa Office......
SGVO
NOC Code......
2241
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
8 October 2014
Nomination.....
PER: 15 Jan 2015
AOR Received.
18 Feb 2015
Med's Request
10 July 2015
Med's Done....
21 July 2015
Passport Req..
7 September 2015
VISA ISSUED...
23 September 2015
LANDED..........
Feb 2016
FSW_Applicant said:
Some of the possible reasons could be:
1. Medical issues
2. Misrepresentation of facts that might be uncovered during verification
3. Criminality / security issues
4. Fall short of required points due to any reason that was not reported correctly
Thanks for the info!
 

looking_glass

Newbie
Apr 10, 2015
6
0
For anybody looking for some help regarding how to file your NOC code I found this blog post very informative. You could probably take a look.

"How to Know Your NOC Code and Filling up the Work Experience Form?

Author: Ben Alagnam
I have received few inquiries from my email Subscribers. One of which is about this problem, and it's time to clarify the issue. Here are their messages...
"..my job positions are not exactly matched stated but the job description as I believe are all the same. One of example is System Administrator and my current position is Systems Engineer. There was no indicated main duties on the website but in general, the main duties of Systems Engineer covers with System Administrator description. I have a lot of positions where the job descriptions are covered on the list in NOC but the titles are not match.
Do you think the Canada Visa office would recognized that? Most of my COE has no job description included and even in contract letter has not stated as well..." - J.C. (please let me know if you want your name divulged)
______________________________________________
"...im still confused. what will i write on the IMM0008 (E Schedule 3) work experience part:
From To Occupation NOC Years of Experience Main DutiesAsst. Res. Engineer 2131
Should i write my current job position under the Occupation Part or the equivalent based based on job duties?..." - M.A. (please let me know if you want your name divulged)

The advice and tips that I will provide you is based on my experience when I applied for the Federal Skilled Worker Canada. I recommend that you seek second or third opinions to other advisers or agents as well.

Job Position or Title Explained
In every country, they have their own job titles which they think will easily attract the job seekers or also known as talents.

Like in Canada, a person who goes out and meet customers, repair the machines at the customer's site is called the JourneyMan. While if you do this kind of job in Singapore, you can be called as a Service Engineer or Service Technician. Doing this same kind of job in Philippines is a Technician.
"a person who goes out and meet customers, repair the machines at the customer's site"
Canada - Journeyman
Singapore - Service Technician or Service Engineer
Philippines - Technician
As you can see, they are all doing the same kind of job, but they are tagged differently. They differ in their job titles because of the terms used and according to the country's history.

Another example is the AutoCad Draftsmen and the AutoCad Draughtsman. These two jobs have a similar job descriptions, but they have different job titles. This is because,
Draftsmen - American English
Draughtsman - British English
Job titling almost has the same concept of marketing, which you have to create the best name of the brand, in this case is the job, making it more locally recognizable and egoistically appealing.

Who doesn't want to have a job of cleaning floors with a namecard description of "Floor Manager"?

Same job, different titles.

What is NOC in Canada?
In the Federal Skilled Worker Program in Canada, we can encounter this name NOC or the National Occupational Classification.

According to the the Employment and Social Development in Canada (ESDC),
"The National Occupational Classification (NOC), provides a standardized language for describing the work performed by Canadians in the labour market. It gives statisticians, labour market analysts, career counselors, employers and individual job seekers a consistent way to collect data and describe and understand the nature of work." -ESDC
To ease up the confusion of job titles and descriptions, Canada had created a standard and listed it in the NOC with versions on year 2006 and 2011.

At the NOC, each job title has its own code, depending on the skill level, and it is classified and described in accordance with the standard.

How To Determine the Equivalent NOC 2011 Code?
The NOC 2011 occupation code is important when applying for the FSW Canada program. It is the first factor that determines the eligibility of an applicant. The applicant's occupation should be included at the 50 eligible occupations list.

But how do you know if your current or previous job is included in the list?

To have a complete NOC 2011 equivalency of your current or previous occupation, you need to provide an evidence such as a complete Certificate of Employment (COE) indicating the job description of your occupation and other details as required by the FSW Canada.

Check out the complete requirements at the STEP3 - Document Checklist (IMM5612) item #12

Now, this is the tricky part wherein you need to compare the job description of your occupation, that was written at your COE, with the occupation at the NOC 2011.

Let's take Equipment Engineer as our sample occupation . This job title is totally out of the NOC 2011 list, but we can find a code for this and it takes time and effort.

Given that the following details were written at the COE:
Equipment EngineerAugust 2010 - August 2014
Duties and Responsibilities:

Write equipment handling specifications, technical reports, capacity computations, maintenance manual specifications, and maintenance schedules.
Conduct design reviews, inspection, and evaluates the performance equipment.
Troubleshoot machine using technical software.
Read and interpret electrical diagram.
Responsible for the layout preparation, scheduling, mobilization and installation of machines for production use.
We will visit the NOC 2011 Website and select the Classification structure menu (see photo below). Then choose the classification that you think has the greatest similarity with the Equipment Engineering job and its corresponding responsibilities.

So, we will choose #7 (see the photo and click to visit the site)



The Skill Type 7 will have a long list of occupational codes. Scan through each occupation and find the closest match, and that is NOC 7242 (Industrial Electrician) with responsibilities that are similar with that of an Equipment Engineer.
7242 Industrial ElectriciansIndustrial electricians install, maintain, test, troubleshoot and repair industrial electrical equipment and associated electrical and electronic controls
Now, we can therefore state that the equivalent NOC of Equipment Engineer is NOC 7242 Industrial Electrician.

How to Fill Up the Form with the NOC Code?
Alright, we have now the NOC equivalent code. Go to the application form IMM008 Schedule 3 Economic Classes - Federal Skilled Worker, item #12 - Work Experience

If you have another occupation and declared as your Primary, e.g. NOC 2241- Electrical and electronics Engineering Technologists and Technician , it should be in included in the 50 eligible occupations and meet the criteria for FSW Canada.

Since NOC 7242 is a Skill Level B occupation, we can include this in the Work Experience. Even though it has more than 4 years of experience, we can not make it as the primary because it's not included in the 50 eligible occupations list.

Take a look at the table below.



The space provided for the Main Duties is always not enough, you can write "Please refer to attached page" and create a document in A4 paper with the complete details of the duties. Include it in this form as attachment.

Source: memovingtocanada on blogpost.

Other blogs are also very helpful
 

MASHUDANWAR

Star Member
Dec 7, 2014
161
6
Category........
Visa Office......
SG
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
26 SEPTEMBER 2014
Nomination.....
09 JANUARY 2015
AOR Received.
13 FEBRUARY 2015
Med's Request
01 APRIL 2015
Med's Done....
02 APRIL 2015
Interview........
WAIVED
Passport Req..
8 MAY 2015
VISA ISSUED...
GOT PP 11 JUNE 2015 (ISSUE 20/5/15)
LANDED..........
INSAALLAH
IF THERE ANYONE WHO IS REJECTED AFTER MEDICAL RECEIVED INCLUDING RPRF...........................
AND IF THERE ANY REASON TO REFUSE AFTER MEDICAL AND RPRF
 

FSW_Applicant

Hero Member
Aug 29, 2014
404
51
Category........
Visa Office......
CPC-Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
03-Oct-2014
LANDED..........
17-Sep-2015
"ANY REASON TO REFUSE AFTER MEDICAL AND RPRF"

1. Medical issues
2. Criminality / security issues

MASHUDANWAR said:
IF THERE ANYONE WHO IS REJECTED AFTER MEDICAL RECEIVED INCLUDING RPRF...........................
AND IF THERE ANY REASON TO REFUSE AFTER MEDICAL AND RPRF
 

naGod

Full Member
Jan 22, 2015
37
2
Nigeria
Visa Office......
AVO
NOC Code......
0121
App. Filed.......
28-11-2014
Doc's Request.
15-02-2018
Nomination.....
DD charge 22-01-2015, PER:15-04-2015
AOR Received.
NA
IELTS Request
sent with application
Med's Done....
upfront 12-05-2017
Interview........
NA
Passport Req..
12-04-2018
to the glory of God my case had been reviewed and PEr mail sent to me 15/04/2015, stating DD was charged on 22/01/2015. all help me to appreciate God.
 

optimistic candi

Hero Member
Jun 17, 2014
716
37
BC
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
May 17/2016
AOR Received.
June 07/2016
File Transfer...
Aug 2/2016
Med's Done....
sent along
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
BGC in progress on 15 December
VISA ISSUED...
DM on 25 December
PRsep said:
Dear all,
my application was rejected on march 4th but NDVO communicate me on 27th march through email ,. However i had applied for reconsideration , my application was reached NDVO on 4th April .
How long i have to wait to know decision of reconsideration from program manger , NDVO ???

one of the immigration consultant told me to wait till decision of reconsideration , if visa office donot give positive response then only move with Appeal .He is pretty sure my reconsideration request will be considered

but some people in forum told me , visa office will provide me only 60 days time to appeal .

Please highlight me on this issue .
what was the reason for rejection
 

muksmacd

Star Member
Mar 27, 2015
59
0
INDIA
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi/ Warsaw Poland
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
1st 0ct
Nomination.....
10th jan "15
AOR Received.
3rd feb "15
IELTS Request
SENT WITH APP
File Transfer...
SLU DATE- 31st JULY 2015
Med's Request
4th AUG 2015
Med's Done....
11th AUG 2015 /TLU -14th oct
Passport Req..
2nd DEC 2015 / DM-3rd DEC 2015
VISA ISSUED...
10th DEC 2015
AFTER GOT PER AND AOR VISA OFFICE HAD SEND ME MAIL FOR LACK OF DOCUMENT FOR MY EMPLOYMENT .. they asked for supporting docs..
what is the chances after get per than reject our file ?????
senior plz advice me ....
 

muksmacd

Star Member
Mar 27, 2015
59
0
INDIA
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi/ Warsaw Poland
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
1st 0ct
Nomination.....
10th jan "15
AOR Received.
3rd feb "15
IELTS Request
SENT WITH APP
File Transfer...
SLU DATE- 31st JULY 2015
Med's Request
4th AUG 2015
Med's Done....
11th AUG 2015 /TLU -14th oct
Passport Req..
2nd DEC 2015 / DM-3rd DEC 2015
VISA ISSUED...
10th DEC 2015
PRsep said:
my time line
Application Received by CIC: 26th Dec
PER issued by CIC : 18th Dec.
Decision made status on ECAS : 7th march
Rejection Letter received through email : 27th March.
Rejection letter date: 4th March


Reason for rejection as per Visa officer :
you have provide a relation certificate issued on September 1, 2014 as a proof of relationship you have a relative in Canada, this certificate appears to have been issued at the time of submission of application and , therefore it is not satisfactory evidence of relationship. as ,such i have not



awarded you points for you stated relative in canada.







OHHHH ........


is this reason Genuine?????
as per him, he is not will to consider my document showing my relationship with my sister as it is recent document .
 

tbaba

Champion Member
Nov 10, 2014
1,816
35
Nigeria
Category........
Visa Office......
AVO
NOC Code......
0113
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
07/11/2014
Nomination.....
PER 12/03/2015
IELTS Request
Sent with application
File Transfer...
01-04-2015
Med's Request
24-07-2015
Med's Done....
27-07-2015
Interview........
Telephone interview on 25/02/2016
Passport Req..
29-02-2016
VISA ISSUED...
21-03-2016
LANDED..........
28-05-2016
naGod said:
to the glory of God my case had been reviewed and PEr mail sent to me 15/04/2015, stating DD was charged on 22/01/2015. all help me to appreciate God.
congrat on your PER, God is really great
 

4lashyme

Full Member
Oct 22, 2014
38
0
Goodthings said:
Hi Guys

Please, i need your help.

I applied for FSW 2014. I have completed Medicals and my ECAS shows Medicals Received.

The problem is that my VO asked me to submit updated Bank Statement, medicals and RPRF. I had used the money in my account for some issues. But i updated the account and sent to VO, explaining how i got the updated money and what the initial money was used for. I also paid RPRF. Now its over 1 month since i submitted the update, no news from VO. Do you think i have a problem? Should i be worried? Has anyone experienced someone rejected for this reason? Thanks
hello seniors,
could you please advice on the above concerns. I'm in the same position as the poster and still awaiting PPR mail since January.
thank you.