Foreign Service - Strike?

[Dan_from_Surrey]

No, the TB provided some preconditions which included this condition of resuming work along with some other important ones. even if the PSLRB intervenes, the govt will stick to those preconditions which were rejected by the union
so far there is no such statement from PAFSO that they will start working if they decide to go back to table.

http://www.pafso.com/_includes/ckfinder/userfiles/files/24-7-13-PAFSO%20Letter%20to%20TBS.pdf

Take a look at the third paragraph on page two, the union did agree 24/7/13 that they would direct their members to cease the withdrawals of service once both parties agreed to binding arbitration.

 

[sidhu1982]

http://www.pafso.com/_includes/ckfinder/userfiles/files/24-7-13-PAFSO%20Letter%20to%20TBS.pdf

Take a look at the third paragraph on page two, the union did agree 24/7/13 that they would direct their members to cease the withdrawals of service once both parties agreed to binding arbitration.

i know about that but i meant to say under current PSLRB situation, there is no such statement by the union on whether they will go back to work or not. correct me if i am wrong, if the government stick to fact with the preconditions and comes to table, there will be a need for a statement by PAFSO after that

 

[Dan_from_Surrey]

thank you for the detailed information.
but by this you are suggesting that pafso must have already went to LRB prior to last week?


If both sides deem them selves at a impasse, then either can apply for a lock out (employer) or for strike action (union) this means going to the LRB proving the impasse, having the LRB agree there is an impasse then going through the necessary steps for either a lock out or strike.

In this case, a strike, the Union gets permission to canvas members, and holds a vote of the membership, which has to be scrutinized by people outside of the articular union local in question. The results go back to the LRB, they grant x amount of days for the action to happen, generally if no action happens within the set time, the union is out of luck, and has to go through the process again to get permission from the LRB to strike....

Yes to be in this position, they would of had to approach the LRB prior to last week. (my opinion) my knowledge is more BC centric)

 

[Dan_from_Surrey]

i know about that but i meant to say under current PSLRB situation, there is no such statement by the union on whether they will go back to work or not. correct me if i am wrong, if the government stick to fact with the preconditions and comes to table, there will be a need for a statement by PAFSO after that

There is no LRB situation, a ruling on the bad faith complaint is still being sought. There was a statement that the union would go back, sent to the minister and made public (the one posted above).

The governments preconditions are not facts, they are demands. 3 or which have been declined by the union, which leads us back to the start, waiting fro the LRB to make a ruling on the bad faith claim.

So until the LRB comes back we are stuck in a peeing match, with nobody getting anything other than wet toes. Meanwhile those of us on the forum here sit and wait, regardless of what side you support. hopefully the novelty of wet toes grows old soon. I know the novelty of being in process wore off for me long ago

 

[gongdi]

The cons completely ignore the fact that visa processing is practically at a standstill but tinker away at immigration reform:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/08/07/ottawa-to-charge-employers-275-fee-for-every-temporary-foreign-worker-application/

Absolute incompetence.

 

[costaudjoe]

i know about that but i meant to say under current PSLRB situation, there is no such statement by the union on whether they will go back to work or not. correct me if i am wrong, if the government stick to fact with the preconditions and comes to table, there will be a need for a statement by PAFSO after that

I am sorry but you seem to hold a lot of stock in the preconditions. They were a joke totally meant to hamstring the negotiations and even a five-year old would know the deck would be stacked against them by accepting them.

I find it fascinating that you are quick to blame the union but take no issue with the government surreptitiously trying to bust the union (actually willing to lose 100s of millions in the process).

 

[CanadianJeepGuy]

the intentions of PAFSO union is clear to 80% of the people except the union and workers. "Blackmail this government, lets inconvenience the innocent people so our greed can be fulfilled", now that government is not caving in, the union getting more desperate going to outrageous extent in harming the economy, families and students. what they think is that we can hold the canadians hostage because we are in Public service and we wont provide any service to public. Next time some body else will hold up the government and demand a ransom of 4 million dollars otherwise you will pay in billion ... seriously. this is pure greed, blackmailing and i really hope they get legislated back to work or fired. And the irony is they are saying " hey lets talk about our wages but we dare you if you mention our perks" for which taxpayers already pay millions every year.

PAFSO's intentions are to get a fair deal that is consistent with other positions in government and their own department. The government has other intentions above and beyond this one union. Please list out all these "perks" people keep talking about as if they are common knowledge.

you are so close-minded and obviously get so defensive and angry if anybody says the truth about greed or mistreatment by this union that you go all the way to personal attack.. same mindset as the union .. check the tweets by tim ..ur leader who has got so much arrogance that he doesnt even wanna go back to table... what is he scared off or worry if their stand is so legit.

Who attacked who? LOL...get over it.
The union has always been available for negotiations. Again read the news. The government tabled a contract 2 years ago that they have not given one inch on. That is not negotiating. They agreed to binding arbitration with conditions that would only work in their favour. That is not negotiating. It was the union who offered binding arbitration in the first place.

if these chaps are paying so poorly that they cannot survive, why dont they get a job of lawyer or accountant in canada?

Again its not about being paid poorly. They are not being paid equally. Equality and fairness is what I think many people want to immigrate to Canada for isn't it?

Also if a sentence ends with a "?" then it is a question .. may be you can go back to high school to learn english, instead of avoiding / dodging the question and giving the run around for current issue which is engaging PSLRB after damaging this country economically. one thing which unions are good in is strike and cause problems to the public. striking should not be first option but last. PAFSO exposed itself by revealing that they had several other options available including taking to labour relation board before causing this much distress to my country.
what you fail to understand is by causing this huge distress on economy which PAFSO takes the responsibility, how many canadians will lose their jobs in tourism, hospitality and education sectors, which in turn result in less taxes paid by employee in private sectors, people get laid off and on unemployment bringing this impact to whole different level

You posed a question then arrived at your own answer with the statement that followed. That to me was a rhetorical question. You can Google the definition of "rhetorical" in case it didn't come up on your IELTS exam.
You also need to reread my comments where I clearly indicated that the government doesn't care about the money lost so long as PAFSO doesn't gain anything.

you may need to start using the internet and may be read some articles in English about this current situation and you will be surprised that there is no mention of job cuts , closing visa offices, or privatizing, also it has nothing to do with anther 20k jobs waiting to be shunted.. what PAFSO is complaining is that they are not getting paid the same as some other public servants doing the similar job but wait we(FS) have very unique skill set.. this doesnt make any sense for their slogan "fair is fair" ..it should be " fair is currently not good enough for us"
cannot wait until September when there will be some concrete action against these slackers. the public service employees working against public interest.

Where have you been since the last federal election?

 

[vik403]

CanadianJeepGuy
Do you have nothing better to do than just pick arguments with people?
Guys can you all please stop arguing about who's right and who's wrong. Doesn't matter who's gonna win this BS... we are sure to loose valuable time and money. Please post something of value like a new updates regarding the strike or new timelines for family and skilled class workers instead of all this.

 

[aks.asr1]

CanadianJeepGuy
Do you have nothing better to do than just pick arguments with people?
Guys can you all please stop arguing about who's right and who's wrong. Doesn't matter who's gonna win this BS... we are sure to loose valuable time and money. Please post something of value like a new updates regarding the strike or new timelines for family and skilled class workers instead of all this.

@ vik403

I completely agree with you.

THERE ARE SOME IDIOTIC PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE ARGUING WITH OTHER PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY REASON. DOESN'T MATTER WHO IS RIGHT #PAFSO OR THE #GOVERNMENT. AT THE END WE ARE THE ONE PAYING THE PRICE. IF YOU REALLY THING ABOUT IT WE DIDN'T PAY THIS #GOVERNMENT SO MUCH TAXES, HUGH AMOUNT OF MONEY TO SPONSOR OUR FAMILY SO THAT THEY CAN TREAT US LIKE SH%T. THESE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES / PAFSO EMPLOYEES ARE SITTING IN THERE A/C ROOMS AND ENJOYING AND WE ARE THE ONE AGAIN WHO ARE HELPLESS AND JUST WAITING..

ALSO, I BELIEVE THE STRIKE IS OVER NOW. CAUSE ONE OF OUR FAMILY FRIEND WHO IS ALSO SPONSORING HER HUSBAND TOLD THAT HER HUSBAND CALLED NDVO AND THEY SAID STRIKE IS OVER NOW AND SHOULD BE BACK TO NORMAL VERY SOON.

 

[Dan_from_Surrey]

ALSO, I BELIEVE THE STRIKE IS OVER NOW. CAUSE ONE OF OUR FAMILY FRIEND WHO IS ALSO SPONSORING HER HUSBAND TOLD THAT HER HUSBAND CALLED NDVO AND THEY SAID STRIKE IS OVER NOW AND SHOULD BE BACK TO NORMAL VERY SOON.

Anything at all to confirm this? This would be welcomed and wanted news for all. (yes I am trying very hard to remain optimistic)

 

[aks.asr1]

Anything at all to confirm this? This would be welcomed and wanted news for all. (yes I am trying very hard to remain optimistic)

@Dan_from_Surrey

Trust me my friend I understand what you are going thru. I am also on a same boat and waiting for my wife for last over 10 months. This strike messed up everything.
I checked online but I didn't see anything related to #strike ended. But, as I said the Visa Office said so I am saying based on that... I hope and pray it's true.

Thanks!

 

[Aquarian]

I second that.

CanadianJeepGuy
Do you have nothing better to do than just pick arguments with people?
Guys can you all please stop arguing about who's right and who's wrong. Doesn't matter who's gonna win this BS... we are sure to loose valuable time and money. Please post something of value like a new updates regarding the strike or new timelines for family and skilled class workers instead of all this.

 

[anisha patel]

Anything at all to confirm this? This would be welcomed and wanted news for all. (yes I am trying very hard to remain optimistic)

Yes ! Check New delhi 2013 applicants thread. Some people got call from NDVO to confirm saying their visas been issued.

 

[Dan_from_Surrey]

Yes ! Check New delhi 2013 applicants thread. Some people got call from NDVO to confirm saying their visas been issued.

Ok, other VO's are putting out Visa's as well, but running with minimal staffing levels, to maintain essential services. That has been happening all along. But still good to see people getting their Visa's!

 

[costaudjoe]

ALSO, I BELIEVE THE STRIKE IS OVER NOW. CAUSE ONE OF OUR FAMILY FRIEND WHO IS ALSO SPONSORING HER HUSBAND TOLD THAT HER HUSBAND CALLED NDVO AND THEY SAID STRIKE IS OVER NOW AND SHOULD BE BACK TO NORMAL VERY SOON.

No, it isn't.

Either the Treasury Board would have had to make an offer or the union make a proposal to its members after which the members would vote. The turnaround time would be AT LEAST 48 hours. The news would have been all over it if the union was about to vote.

I disagree with this idea of CanadianJeepGuy picking fights.