February 2020 Spousal sponsorship Outland

[adusafoa01]

Well spoken dear.

Thank you for putting so much effort to frame the information, how refugee sponsorship is different from family sponsorship. I am not against any immigration stream, as I started my journey in Canada using one of them. My concern is if they can bring 25000 in 100 days, during hostile situations in some war-torn countries, why can't they process the outland spousal application on this pace as every country is facing a COVID-19 war, or at least grant a visitor (TRV) to the spouses living in visa-required countries (remember they are immediate family members of a Citizen/PR, where AS refugees are not). COVID-19 has built a huge backlog for IRCC, they can take their time to process applications, but while they are processing that, at least they should put some measure to reunite Spouses to their loved ones in Canada.

Thank you for mentioning your situation and you are lucky that your husband can get eTA to fly to a Canada (costs of an eTA CAN$7). Here is mine, and I believe it represents the majority of Outland Applicants (https://www.immigration.ca/canada-to-spend-148m-on-boosting-intake-of-international-students-from-different-countries), My spouse is from India, and she's living a perfectly fine and healthy life. and working full-time. We got married last year after being in a long-distance relationship for years. I applied for her Visitor Visa (for Visa required countries (Cost CAN$100)) before marriage and after marriage, after Trudeau's announcement, I believe many did (https://www.cicnews.com/2020/06/trudeau-families-can-cross-canada-u-s-border-tomorrow-0614599.html#gs.fffzes), but both times got rejected, even after showing $50,000 in our accounts as a liquid from 6 months of statements, she holds Officer rank 1 job and I am an essential worker. I got a letter from my employer, to support the Visitor Visa application as well.

The application was put on hold, however, our application was qualified to apply under the immediate family member category and got the following response, even after following a complete set of instructions and providing evidence:

"Based on our assessment of your recent enquiry, we cannot process your request as you have not provided sufficient evidence that you meet an exemption criterion and/or that your travel to Canada is non-discretionary, per the travel restrictions implemented to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus (COVID 19) in Canada.
Even though you do not meet an exemption criterion and/or your travel has not been deemed non-discretionary, your application will now be put on hold until after the travel restriction pause has been lifted."

When they started the process under regular applications the application got refused in One day. This is what happened to most of the applicants who applied after Trudeau's announcement on June 8th, 2020.

With one of the easiest and simplest studies permit requirement and getting PR after that, I have been through this channel myself and secured my PR in 4 years(study+work+PR application process) now a Citizen, I do not think Canda is not a major country that is facing Marriage frauds like as UK and USA face.

As I've said earlier, I am not against any immigration stream, but if Ottawa can come up with all the measures for Students, Inland spousal applications, Refugees, then why Outland spousal applications left in dark.

For your reference, if you have missed all this:

Open work permit pilot program extended for spouse or common-law partner in Canada class (https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/notices/open-work-permit-pilot-extended-2020.html)

Important new measures on post-graduation work permit eligibility for students beginning programs online (https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/notices/pgwp-eligibility-measures.html)

Pathway to permanent residency recognizes exceptional service of asylum claimants on front lines of COVID-19 pandemic (https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2020/08/pathway-to-permanent-residency-recognizes-exceptional-service-of-asylum-claimants-on-front-lines-of-covid-19-pandemic.html)

I want to bring all this to official attention, and I'm trying this day and night to change this for outland applications, so that, this can be productive to future candidates like us, who wish to bring their loved once here. It is Canadian Citizen/PR taxpayer rights, not a privilege, everything should come after County's own Citizens and PR. Hopefully, you can place yourself in our shoes and understand what we are going through.

 

[armoured]

The application was put on hold, however, our application was qualified to apply under the immediate family member category and got the following response, even after following a complete set of instructions and providing evidence:

"Based on our assessment of your recent enquiry, we cannot process your request as you have not provided sufficient evidence that you meet an exemption criterion and/or that your travel to Canada is non-discretionary, per the travel restrictions implemented to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus (COVID 19) in Canada.
Even though you do not meet an exemption criterion and/or your travel has not been deemed non-discretionary, your application will now be put on hold until after the travel restriction pause has been lifted."

When they started the process under regular applications the application got refused in One day. This is what happened to most of the applicants who applied after Trudeau's announcement on June 8th, 2020.

One important note on this: I do not know how you applied and what you marked, but as a spouse you SHOULD meet the non-discretionary travel exemption (immediate family membership reunion is "deemed" non-discretionary).

This does not mean you will be issued a visa. BUT: the response indicates that somehow in the application or how it was evaluated by IRCC they did not categorise it as meeting this exemption. In my view, you should not have received this message if you showed you met this criteria properly.

As you (I think?) mentioned, some of the files are handled at least in part by computer.

IF THE APPLICATION IS NOT CORRECTLY 'CODED' TO DEMONSTRATE THE EXEMPTION CRITERIA ARE MET, IT WILL BE REFUSED.

So yes, it is possible that you have not applied 'correctly.' No-one can say for sure. You may want to look carefully into how the TRV under immediate family reunification must be applied for.

I don't have the information on how to do this, there have been cases in this forum and presumably in the TRV forum here. Also worth considering where else to get useful advice, including outside firms or MPs, etc.

Again, none of this means you WILL get a visa. But I don't believe you should have received THAT refusal language.

(Apologies for CAPS here in places, wanted to emphasize)

 

[Marcos_Bastos]

Hi all.
Quick question.
Last Friday I got AOR1 for my application and it was on Ecas on the same day.

Today, when I clicked on Sponsorship status "In Process" it says:
1- We received you application to sponsor (wife's name)
2- We sent you correspondence acknowledging...
3- We started processing your application on September 04th

They added a new one today, which says:
4- We sent you a letter on September 4, 2020. Please consider delays in mail delivery before contacting us.
Does anyone have any idea of what this may be related? Or is it a normal thing?

Cheers,
Marcos

 

[SubnormalFever]

Hi all.
Quick question.
Last Friday I got AOR1 for my application and it was on Ecas on the same day.

Today, when I clicked on Sponsorship status "In Process" it says:
1- We received you application to sponsor (wife's name)
2- We sent you correspondence acknowledging...
3- We started processing your application on September 04th

They added a new one today, which says:
4- We sent you a letter on September 4, 2020. Please consider delays in mail delivery before contacting us.
Does anyone have any idea of what this may be related? Or is it a normal thing?

Cheers,
Marcos

Your spouse should have received an email asking her to provide her biometrics! Got the same thing last Friday.
Congrats!

 

[Marcos_Bastos]

Your spouse should have received an email asking her to provide her biometrics! Got the same thing last Friday.
Congrats!

Great news.
Thank you so much.

 

[Paul09]

One important note on this: I do not know how you applied and what you marked, but as a spouse you SHOULD meet the non-discretionary travel exemption (immediate family membership reunion is "deemed" non-discretionary).

This does not mean you will be issued a visa. BUT: the response indicates that somehow in the application or how it was evaluated by IRCC they did not categorise it as meeting this exemption. In my view, you should not have received this message if you showed you met this criteria properly.

As you (I think?) mentioned, some of the files are handled at least in part by computer.

IF THE APPLICATION IS NOT CORRECTLY 'CODED' TO DEMONSTRATE THE EXEMPTION CRITERIA ARE MET, IT WILL BE REFUSED.

So yes, it is possible that you have not applied 'correctly.' No-one can say for sure. You may want to look carefully into how the TRV under immediate family reunification must be applied for.

I don't have the information on how to do this, there have been cases in this forum and presumably in the TRV forum here. Also worth considering where else to get useful advice, including outside firms or MPs, etc.

Again, none of this means you WILL get a visa. But I don't believe you should have received THAT refusal language.

(Apologies for CAPS here in places, wanted to emphasize)

Thanks for your response, I'm pretty sure, I followed all the instructions and even including SOP from both sides. I've been dealing with all these applications from last 10 years total 14 applications and helped my friends (Student Visa and renewal, Co-op Work Visa and renewal, Student off-campus Work Visa and renewal, PNP Application, Express Entry Application, Parents Super visa Application, Extending stay for parents, Citizenship Application, Parents Sponsorship Application, Spousal Sponsorship Application, and finally Spousal Visitor application) and I'm pretty sure this explains why. I have tried calling them, submitting Web forms twice and all I got this:
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From: "CE CSC Do Not Reply / Ne Pas Repondre CSC EC (IRCC)"
Date:
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada // Immigration, Réfugiés et Citoyenneté Canada
Reply-To: "CE CSC Do Not Reply / Ne Pas Repondre CSC EC (IRCC)"

Good day xxxxxxx,

Thank you for contacting Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC).
Coronavirus - Immediate family member of a Canadian citizen or permanent resident
The Government of Canada is closely monitoring the new coronavirus (COVID-19) and its impact on IRCC clients.
Until further notice, most people cannot travel to Canada, even if they have a valid visitor visa or electronic travel authorization (eTA).
You can travel to Canada or be permitted to enter Canada if you are an immediate family member of a Canadian citizen or permanent resident. To be eligible, you must provide evidence that:

• You're an immediate family member of a Canadian citizen or permanent resident, and
• You'll be staying in Canada for at least 15 days,
  • if you're staying for less than 15 days, you must meet the same requirements as all other foreign nationals.

When you arrive in Canada by air, land or sea, we'll assess your health before you leave the port of entry. You must have a plan to quarantine for 14 days when you arrive in Canada. This is mandatory, even if you have no symptoms. If you don't have a plan, you should not travel to Canada as you may not be allowed to enter the country.
We understand that these measures will affect several IRCC clients. Please be assured that we continue to closely monitor the situation and provide you with the most current information as the situation evolves.
To request an authorization (this one is requried for temporary residents Immidiate family memebers, I don't know why I got this)
Email IRCC at IRCC.COVID-TravelExemptions-Exemptionsdevoyage-COVID.IRCC@cic.gc.ca. They will contact you within 48 hours of getting your email and tell you what to do next.
For more information on the situation and to receive up-to-date information, we invite you to verify our website.
We hope the information provided is helpful in assisting you with your enquiry.
We would also like to suggest the following online services that might be helpful to you with any immigration, refugee and/or citizenship future requests:

• Download application forms and guides
• Change of address
• Check your application status
• Help Centre - To find answers, you may consult the different sections or type keywords related to your question.

Sincerely,

xxxxxxx, agent xxxxx
Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada
https://www.canada.ca/en/services/immigration-citizenship.html

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From: "CE CSC Do Not Reply / Ne Pas Repondre CSC EC (IRCC)"
Date:
To: xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada // Immigration, Réfugiés et Citoyenneté Canada
Reply-To: "CE CSC Do Not Reply / Ne Pas Repondre CSC EC (IRCC)"

Good day xxxxxx,

Thank you for contacting Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC).
We verified the information you provided, however we are unable to see the attachments you included with your enquiry.
We invite you to resend the document(s) by filling out the IRCC Web form considering the following information

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Second response for the same web form submission

From: "CE CSC Do Not Reply / Ne Pas Repondre CSC EC (IRCC)"
Date:
To: xxxxxxx
Subject: Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada // Immigration, Réfugiés et Citoyenneté Canada
Reply-To: "CE CSC Do Not Reply / Ne Pas Repondre CSC EC (IRCC)"

Good day xxxxxxxxxxxx,

Thank you for contacting Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC).
We are pleased to confirm the reception of the following documents:

• xxxxxx
• xxxxxxxxxx
• xxxxxx

We have forwarded them with the information you provided to the responsible office for their consideration.

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This makes no-sense, and I feel so frustrated, how they are dealing with files. No attention to detail given. But I know this COVID-19 has ruined our life and we've lost the precious time, that we may have spent with our loved ones during the lockdown.

Now all I want/wish, all the sponsors who are still waiting for their partners, to come and see them in Canada, should get to see them as soon as possible.

Cheers!

 

[armoured]

Thanks for your response, I'm pretty sure, I followed all the instructions and even including SOP from both sides.

I'm sorry I can't give better suggestions, except to suggest looking through threads here and checking elsewhere. Some have succeeded in getting them with specific combinations referring to covid, family reunification, etc. I honestly don't know, but it really seems that you should not be getting the message you received above. (Again, of course, none of this is a guarantee you will get a visa).

Perhaps also worth considering ordering the gmcs notes or otherwise trying to get info.

 

[adusafoa01]

Greetings folks, please can someone help.me, I want the link to most current, or updated checklist, and also I want know if all family members mentioned schedule A, imm5669 write their names and sign? Because my application has been returned to me after 10months of submition. Am so depress.

 

[rrss13]

Greetings folks, please can someone help.me, I want the link to most current, or updated checklist, and also I want know if all family members mentioned schedule A, imm5669 write their names and sign? Because my application has been returned to me after 10months of submition. Am so depress.

What? When did you submit it? That’s so crazy!

 

[Caly]

Greetings folks, please can someone help.me, I want the link to most current, or updated checklist, and also I want know if all family members mentioned schedule A, imm5669 write their names and sign? Because my application has been returned to me after 10months of submition. Am so depress.

There should be a letter with your returned application stating exactly why it was returned.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides.html

 

[adusafoa01]

What? When did you submit it? That’s so crazy!

Hmmmmmmm it super crazy and frustrating, I submitted this application on 4th November 2019 and they are now returning for reasons which is not clear because I used the 2019 check list.

What? When did you submit it? That’s so crazy!

Hmmmmmmm it's super crazy and very frustrating, I submitted this application on 4th November 2019 and they are now returning with reasons best known to them, I thought they said they won't return any application amdist covid19, they could have requested for any additional documents than returning my package after 10months this is not fair at all, they never gave me AOR number I fellowed up so many times and this how best they can help me after delaying me for 10 solid months.

 

[canadan_]

Hmmmmmmm it super crazy and frustrating, I submitted this application on 4th November 2019 and they are now returning for reasons which is not clear because I used the 2019 check list.


Hmmmmmmm it's super crazy and very frustrating, I submitted this application on 4th November 2019 and they are now returning with reasons best known to them, I thought they said they won't return any application amdist covid19, they could have requested for any additional documents than returning my package after 10months this is not fair at all, they never gave me AOR number I fellowed up so many times and this how best they can help me after delaying me for 10 solid months.

Another user mentioned this is often due to missing signatures which wouldn’t be covered by the exception for missing documents unfortunately. Surely you received some form of explanation as to why they returned the package?

 

[adusafoa01]

Another user mentioned this is often due to missing signatures which wouldn’t be covered by the exception for missing documents unfortunately. Surely you received some form of explanation as to why they returned the package?

Yes you are right, I think they are asking for signatures of my family members who will not accompany me.

Does it mean when I submit a new application then it will join the que.
Will they start the whole process all over again?

 

[canadan_]

Yes you are right, I think they are asking for signatures of my family members who will not accompany me.

Does it mean when I submit a new application then it will join the que.
Will they start the whole process all over again?

I’m not sure that could be why they returned it, additional family members don’t sign the form you just need to include their details. Did both sponsor and applicant sign all locations on the forms that required signatures?
I’m afraid when you resubmit the whole process will start over again.

 

[samuel.eled]

Yes you are right, I think they are asking for signatures of my family members who will not accompany me.

Does it mean when I submit a new application then it will join the que.
Will they start the whole process all over again?

It depends on the decision of the immigration officer that will treat the application. I will advise you to include a copy of the Refusal Letter sent to you for whoever will treat your new application to be aware that it was returned. Perhaps you be shown consideration to jump the queue. Again, it depends on the immigration officer’s judgement but I have a feeling you will be fast tracked if the application is corrected and returned as soon as reasonably possible. Hope this helps.