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joaojr123

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Apr 27, 2017
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Hi there,

My spouse and I created a blog to share our Express Entry experience. The blog is called "A Cocker in Canada", the website is https://acockerincanada.wordpress.com

Our application was approved on September 11th, and we wrote posts about: ECA, IELTS, EE Profile, Medical Exams, Application, Work Experience Letter, Proof of Funds, PCC, Other Documents, Schedule A, and from AOR to CoPR. We also created separated pages for our Timeline, Costs, and a list of Abbreviations and Acronyms.

Later, we are going to publish some interesting research we are doing about Canada and our adventures as permanent residents.

I hope you like it!
Hey @cacto,

Watching your blog, more specifically the proof of funds post. You told you presented money from your account and your spouse´s account. Have you just sent IRCC her bank letter, or have you presented any other document and/or spouse´s declaration that the funds are for immigration and within your reach?

I say that because our funds are in my spouse´s name and I am the PA (we opted that for personal reasons, one of them is that she received a R$ 10.000,00 weeding gift from her father - VALEU SOGRÃO - we duly provided gift deed and affidavit and transaction slip too, should we get the ITA within the six month balance window). I´ve watched in other threads that a brief letter from the spouse telling the funds are for immigration purposes and within the PA´s reach is enough, but since one "famous" brazilian immigration consultant told she had trouble with an application (didn´t tell if the applicants were married or common-law though, I bet they were common-law) and the application only got approved because they transferred all the funds to the PA´s name, I´m seriously thinking about doing a public letter of attorney (procuração pública) from my spouse´s bank and investment accounts to me, just to be sure. If her letter and the letters of attorney doesn´t show IRCC enough proof that I can use her money whener I want, I don´t know what else will.

BTW, congrats for the CoPR and that was quick, from AOR to PPR in exactly 50 days!
 
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marcusvfm2

Star Member
Mar 29, 2017
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Montréal, QC
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
0632
Nomination.....
07/12/2017
AOR Received.
09/03/2017
Med's Done....
08/01/2017
Anyone from Brazil IN land? Idk if I should send my passport or a copy of the bio page (as I am eligible of ETA due to having a US visa and visited canada on a tourist visa on the last 10 years.).
 

cacto

Newbie
May 30, 2017
7
10
Hi@joaojr123!

My case seems to be very similar to yours. I was the PA because I had more points, but the greater part of our money was on my spouse's account. We are married, and we included the following paragraph about "comunhão parcial de bens" in both our Proof of Funds Letters:

"Mrs. _____ and Mr. _____ have been married since _____ in the regime of partial communion of assets (comunhão parcial de bens). According to the Brazilian law, the celebration of marriage by this regime means the sharing in equal proportion of the patrimony formed after the celebration of civil marriage. All assets acquired during the marriage will belong to both spouses, no matter who bought or obtained them."

Then, in the Letter of Explanation, we explained why we kept separated accounts:

"To prove our funds, we have attached two letters from our financial institution, Banco _____, one for _____ and one for _____. This is necessary because our checking and savings accounts are individual.

In Brazil, it is possible for a married couple to choose if they are going to pay income taxes individually or jointly. We chose to declare our taxes separately because benefits would be greater for us. Therefore, that is the reason why we have decided to keep our individual accounts, even after we married.

Declaring income taxes separately and maintaining individual accounts do not affect the Partial Community of Property (or Regime of Partial Communion of Assets) of our marriage since, according to the Brazilian law, all assets acquired during the marriage will belong to both spouses, no matter who bought or obtained them."

We also included three tables in our LoE to sum our balances in checking accounts, savings accounts, and debts.

We did not hire any consultant and did everything by ourselves. If you'd like, you can write me (acockerincanada@gmail.com) and I can send you the model of the letters.
 
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joaojr123

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Hi@joaojr123!

My case seems to be very similar to yours. I was the PA because I had more points, but the greater part of our money was on my spouse's account. We are married, and we included the following paragraph about "comunhão parcial de bens" in both our Proof of Funds Letters:

"Mrs. _____ and Mr. _____ have been married since _____ in the regime of partial communion of assets (comunhão parcial de bens). According to the Brazilian law, the celebration of marriage by this regime means the sharing in equal proportion of the patrimony formed after the celebration of civil marriage. All assets acquired during the marriage will belong to both spouses, no matter who bought or obtained them."

Then, in the Letter of Explanation, we explained why we kept separated accounts:

"To prove our funds, we have attached two letters from our financial institution, Banco _____, one for _____ and one for _____. This is necessary because our checking and savings accounts are individual.

In Brazil, it is possible for a married couple to choose if they are going to pay income taxes individually or jointly. We chose to declare our taxes separately because benefits would be greater for us. Therefore, that is the reason why we have decided to keep our individual accounts, even after we married.

Declaring income taxes separately and maintaining individual accounts do not affect the Partial Community of Property (or Regime of Partial Communion of Assets) of our marriage since, according to the Brazilian law, all assets acquired during the marriage will belong to both spouses, no matter who bought or obtained them."

We also included three tables in our LoE to sum our balances in checking accounts, savings accounts, and debts.

We did not hire any consultant and did everything by ourselves. If you'd like, you can write me (acockerincanada@gmail.com) and I can send you the model of the letters.
Wow, that's great to know @cacto!

I've just emailed you. I've explained a little my personal situation, and I'll probably need to make a few tweaks in my own LOE, but I'll still appreciate your help.

Thanks a million, and good luck ahead!
 

vcfranca

Member
Sep 23, 2017
14
2
Hey guys, I am new here and I have a couple questions that I need help.

I have just included my profile in the Express Entry Program (FSW) and I have 441 points. Fingers crossed to receive ITA soon. I am currently living in the USA and working for Dell.

My first question is about the proof of funds. When I entered the pool, I didn't have the 19K required for me, my wife and my soon. My balance is around 14-15k as of today, but in the next 30 days I will have the remaining 5k by saving some money and getting a gift from my father in law. Is this a problem? Or what matters is having the funds when I submit my application? About the gift, what is the right process to explain it? Have my father in law prepare a letter and have it certified by a notary (Cartorio?)?

The second question is about the Brazilian PCC. I saw I can get one from the federal police by simple using the internet and my CPF. Is it that simple? I was planning to get one and having it translated by a certified translator. Is this the right path? Or do I have to physically go somewhere to get it? Or certify it? Here in the US getting a police certificate is really troublesome and take it up to 14 weeks!

Lastly, about my work experience. I have about 8 years of work experience. 1 year Michelin, 1 year Votorantim, 5 years Vale and 1 year Dell. Is it a problem if I provide a letter only from Vale? I am having a hard time getting it from Votorantim and Michelin. For Dell, I decided to don't ask them because they are not aware of the process.

Thanks in advance!
 

joaojr123

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Apr 27, 2017
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Hey guys, I am new here and I have a couple questions that I need help.

I have just included my profile in the Express Entry Program (FSW) and I have 441 points. Fingers crossed to receive ITA soon. I am currently living in the USA and working for Dell.

My first question is about the proof of funds. When I entered the pool, I didn't have the 19K required for me, my wife and my soon. My balance is around 14-15k as of today, but in the next 30 days I will have the remaining 5k by saving some money and getting a gift from my father in law. Is this a problem? Or what matters is having the funds when I submit my application? About the gift, what is the right process to explain it? Have my father in law prepare a letter and have it certified by a notary (Cartorio?)?

The second question is about the Brazilian PCC. I saw I can get one from the federal police by simple using the internet and my CPF. Is it that simple? I was planning to get one and having it translated by a certified translator. Is this the right path? Or do I have to physically go somewhere to get it? Or certify it? Here in the US getting a police certificate is really troublesome and take it up to 14 weeks!

Lastly, about my work experience. I have about 8 years of work experience. 1 year Michelin, 1 year Votorantim, 5 years Vale and 1 year Dell. Is it a problem if I provide a letter only from Vale? I am having a hard time getting it from Votorantim and Michelin. For Dell, I decided to don't ask them because they are not aware of the process.

Thanks in advance!
First of all, congratulations! You should have your ITA by next wednesday if everything goes within the usual schedule. I'm actually rooting for a slight cutoff decrease, since I'm expected to update my CRS to 424 by mid/late november (provided Unisul does their job and send my specialization certificate as required lol) and an OINP HCP re-opening is each day more unlikely for this year.

I know that may be a bit too personal, but I hope you have already done your research regarding the Canadian lifestyle and economy reality. I say that because people tend to think Canada is the "éh" version of the United States, but no, it isn't. Canada is more similar to Europe regarding government and tax affairs, you'll pay much more taxes that you do in the USA, not to mention the approach from both State and people towards lifestyle subjects. I say that because I watched MANY people move from the USA to Canada and then getting deeply disappointed with the Canadian reality, to the point they get to brag that Canada is "overrated". It's not that, Canada is just completely different from the USA, that's it.

And now for your questions:

1. Yes, the Proof of Funds requirement must be met upon e-APR, not upon ITA. Bear in mind, however, that you'll have to prove the source any fund increase if it happened in the last six month period. I posted a few pages ago a private gift deed template, but it has a few tweaks - you'll have to publicize it (escritura pública de doação de bens) if the amount is above 30 brazilian minimum wages, and you'll need to attach transaction/deposit slip, and IF YOU CAN retreieve such from your father-in-law, his ID and bank statement from his account by the time of the transaction. This is more of a safety measure, though, not mandatory. But the gift deed, affidavit and transaction slip are mandatory. Gift deed and affidavit must be notarized. I can PM you the affidavit template (in portuguese, declaração or declaração juramentada) that you'll also need but it isn't in this thread. Since you're saving a big amount from wage savings, it's a good idea to explain how the surplus happened as well (show your slip/statement attesting you were able to to do such last minute economy). You shouldn't have any problem with those docs provided, then.(see http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/express-entry-applicants-from-brazil-connect-here.388409/page-69#post-6156823).

2. Brazilian PCC is the most ridiculously easy document to fetch. Go to the DPF site, then click "Certidão de Antecedentes", put your personal info, get the electronic certificate, get it certified translated, and attach both DPF PDF and translation PDF. Brazilian PCC must be the world's easiest PCC to retrieve - even Lula can get his one by today (not kidding, you must be convicted in a final justice decision to have a criminal record in Brazil LOL). Focus your attention upon the FBI PCC, this one may take a lot of time and I know you can have it rush serviced with a higher cost, but it is some well paid money to avoid losing the 90 day ITA window.

3. Work experience: provided Vale's experience is from the last ten years and its duties and responsibilities within the reference letter match the NOC you've declared when you created your profile, it should be fine. HOWEVER, you must ONLY declare the Vale experience in your EE profile, or else you'll have to provide work experience records from the other jobs. If it's your case, I recommend you update your profile on the double.

Good luck ahead!
 

vcfranca

Member
Sep 23, 2017
14
2
Wow Joao, thanks for taking the time to right such a complete answer, I really appreciate it. In regards to living in Canada, I did quite a bit of research and I am aware of their lifestyle. To be honest with you I am not enjoying living in the US that much and it seems to me, based on the research I did, that Canada is a better fit.

For the gift deed template, would you mind sharing it with me? I believe that my father in law's deposit slips and his bank information should be easy to obtain.

About the Brazilian PCC, thanks for confirming that it is that easy to obtain. In regards to the FBI, I already sent the paper work last week and I am praying that they will send me the docs before the deadline. Otherwise I will have to ask for an ITA extension, which by the way I have no idea how to do it! Do you know how should I go about it? I heard people saying that I should submit all the paperwork that I have and write a LOE saying that I did my best effort to obtain the FBI PCC but unfortunately they are taking about 14wks to process it nowadays and attach the USPS receipts showing I sent it to them.

In terms of the work experience, I only added my Vale experience at my EE profile. However, I heard some people saying that when filing the ITA there is a section on the personal history that I should include all my previous experiences, is that right?

Thanks again and have a great day!
 

joaojr123

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Apr 27, 2017
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Wow Joao, thanks for taking the time to right such a complete answer, I really appreciate it. In regards to living in Canada, I did quite a bit of research and I am aware of their lifestyle. To be honest with you I am not enjoying living in the US that much and it seems to me, based on the research I did, that Canada is a better fit.

For the gift deed template, would you mind sharing it with me? I believe that my father in law's deposit slips and his bank information should be easy to obtain.

About the Brazilian PCC, thanks for confirming that it is that easy to obtain. In regards to the FBI, I already sent the paper work last week and I am praying that they will send me the docs before the deadline. Otherwise I will have to ask for an ITA extension, which by the way I have no idea how to do it! Do you know how should I go about it? I heard people saying that I should submit all the paperwork that I have and write a LOE saying that I did my best effort to obtain the FBI PCC but unfortunately they are taking about 14wks to process it nowadays and attach the USPS receipts showing I sent it to them.

In terms of the work experience, I only added my Vale experience at my EE profile. However, I heard some people saying that when filing the ITA there is a section on the personal history that I should include all my previous experiences, is that right?

Thanks again and have a great day!
Great to know you did your homework, and glad to know you're heading for the right direction, then. Just left that note because every now and then I read about "Canada is socialist/communist/cultural marxist mimimi" in FB and Whatsapp groups, and it honestly annoys me. I noticed this point of view being more common among people who either have lived/visited the USA or think mistakenly that Canada is the USA with social welfare. If you want to get RICH, USA, Japan, Australia and even UAE are better fits than Canada. If you want a more humane place to live, Canada is a better fit, but it won't mean big cash for you, either. But then, not all men search for good fortune measured in gold. I am a public servant (which means good wages and - for now - stability in Brazil) and I'm not pleased to live as I am now, and it's not about the money.

I'll search my mailbox to see if I can find the .doc version of the affidavit, but I'm afraid I only stored it in my job's PC. If I can't find it, I can send it to you by the 18th, when I return from vacation. Even if you have already received an ITA, you'll still have plenty of time to sign, notarize and translate the document. The document that might take more time (and money) from you is the gift deed, because your father-in-law will have to mail it to you since both donor and donee's signature must be notarized. However, this template is already available in this thread, just adjust it to your context.

About FBI PCC, can't help you, but other colleagues here had to provide it, so they'll be able to help you better than me.

As for work experience, yes, you must list all your professional experiences in the personal information form, but you don't have to prove any work experience not listed in your EE profile, so don't worry.
 
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vcfranca

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Sep 23, 2017
14
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Great to know you did your homework, and glad to know you're heading for the right direction, then. Just left that note because every now and then I read about "Canada is socialist/communist/cultural marxist mimimi" in FB and Whatsapp groups, and it honestly annoys me. I noticed this point of view being more common among people who either have lived/visited the USA or think mistakenly that Canada is the USA with social welfare. If you want to get RICH, USA, Japan, Australia and even UAE are better fits than Canada. If you want a more humane place to live, Canada is a better fit, but it won't mean big cash for you, either. But then, not all men search for good fortune measured in gold. I am a public servant (which means good wages and - for now - stability in Brazil) and I'm not pleased to live as I am now, and it's not about the money.

I'll search my mailbox to see if I can find the .doc version of the affidavit, but I'm afraid I only stored it in my job's PC. If I can't find it, I can send it to you by the 18th, when I return from vacation. Even if you have already received an ITA, you'll still have plenty of time to sign, notarize and translate the document. The document that might take more time (and money) from you is the gift deed, because your father-in-law will have to mail it to you since both donor and donee's signature must be notarized. However, this template is already available in this thread, just adjust it to your context.

About FBI PCC, can't help you, but other colleagues here had to provide it, so they'll be able to help you better than me.

As for work experience, yes, you must list all your professional experiences in the personal information form, but you don't have to prove any work experience not listed in your EE profile, so don't worry.
Thanks for the help Joao. Hopefully we can receive the ITA soon.

Could you explain what is the affidavit? Considering the amount is less than 10,000, I thought only the notarized gift deed, the transfer receipt and the bank statements would work.

By the way, thanks for including the link for the gift deed template.
 

joaojr123

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Apr 27, 2017
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Thanks


Thanks for the help Joao. Hopefully we can receive the ITA soon.

Could you explain what is the affidavit? Considering the amount is less than 10,000, I thought only the notarized gift deed, the transfer receipt and the bank statements would work.

By the way, thanks for including the link for the gift deed template.
The gift deed documents what the transaction is (a gift made by donation).

The affidavit is a brief declaration by your father-in-law explaining why he's doing that. In my case, he wrote down he gave my wife a wedding gift (we had just married by the time, a fortunate coincidence), but he can just tell he's giving you because he loves and cares for you and his daughter.

I didn't see many sense for sending both documents either, but that's what I spotted, when I searched forums and groups both here and in Facebook. This is probably due to the fact that many candidates were using this to cheat (probably by making a loan and channeling the money to someone else), so IRCC staff made this package a standard to make sure the money is legit. Oh well...
 

vcfranca

Member
Sep 23, 2017
14
2
The gift deed documents what the transaction is (a gift made by donation).

The affidavit is a brief declaration by your father-in-law explaining why he's doing that. In my case, he wrote down he gave my wife a wedding gift (we had just married by the time, a fortunate coincidence), but he can just tell he's giving you because he loves and cares for you and his daughter.

I didn't see many sense for sending both documents either, but that's what I spotted, when I searched forums and groups both here and in Facebook. This is probably due to the fact that many candidates were using this to cheat (probably by making a loan and channeling the money to someone else), so IRCC staff made this package a standard to make sure the money is legit. Oh well...

Thanks Joao, I got it! I guess having both documents helps reinforce that it is a gift and makes it more legit. Please, whenever you have some time could you share the affidavit template you used?
 

cmoncanada

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Mar 22, 2017
298
34
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Inland
NOC Code......
1122
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
AOR Received.
30/03/2017
Med's Done....
20/03/2017
Did you send your Passport or only a copy? I'm wondering because I have sent only a copy, once I'm eligible for eTA.
I sent the original...