Email from CIC that PR card renewal needs secondary review

[barabashka]

Thank you for your responses, dpenabill and Msafiri.

I understand now that PRTD application will not solve a stuck in SR PR card renewal application due to different 5 years period in question.
It is very frustrating that there is a clear set of rules (730 days out of 5 years at any given time), but despite meeting these rules, and doing it continuously at all times, one still should face issues and "sit tight" in Canada because of the secondary review process.
I know why my case is in secondary review - I had many trips abroad. I also know I met PR obligations, keep meeting them now, and will keep meeting them in the future.
I cannot quit my job to keep CIC happy. I already made adjustments to it, in order to keep meeting PR obligations, in accordance to official rules....There is just no end to it if we also have to meet all kinds of unofficial rules and preferences.

 

[Msafiri]

While its not necessarily of much comfort to those waiting for processing of their Citizenship RQs, PR Card SR/ RQs etc I am of the opinion that as CIC increases its efficiency not necessarily through 'better output' but more through a combination of tightening the immigration/citizenship rules, increased fees and reduced backlogs the 'in process' timeline for which the FC will consider Mandamus should also decrease. What is really needed is for a PR Card renewal applicant whose RO days are water tight, easily provable and has no background check issues to apply for Mandamus and for the case to get to the FC so the FC can define what a 'reasonable' timeline is. My take is that a simple, fixed multiplier e.g 1.2 (on the basis that 80% is the base line CIC has historically used to process routine applications) should apply to the routine timeline to get a non routine timeline but no Government will box itself in this way. The unfortunate truth really is that PRs especially those not in the soon to be citizen pool are not a priority for the politicians and neither is 'hey let's speed up CIC processing times' a vote winning platform or strategy.

 

[boltz]

Back in mid 2012 CIC not only started a ramp up in issuing RQs for citizenship applications in place but there was a trend of some of these applicants being issued RQs for PR Card renewals as part of a Secondary Review process with some to also include in person interviews. If CIC RQ you for both your citizenship and PR Card renewal then you are high up their list for residency concerns for at least a 5 year window hence my query to the OP so it can be ascertained (not absolutely I hasten to add) how much of an issue to CIC their residency may be. Given that one of the pre-requisites for a successful citizenship application is that there be no issues on your PR status an investigation into this PR if it leads to a sec 44 report means the citizenship application is on hold or can be closed off. CIC now want to deal with residency fraud at the PR level - the IRPA as it is with harsh penalties gives them the tools to do this that the previous Citizenship Act did not.

Msafiri:

Thx for taking time to respond to my query - however, I seem to have lost you in between.

I followed u till you posed a Q to me... But not much after.

I applied citz appln with 3yrs + safe 6 days out of 4 yrs - no concerns on physical presence here - no travels in this 3 yr period. I am all finalized to apply (in 3-4 days) for PR renewal appln with 3 yr 3 mths of 5 years ( no travel in between).

Now I am confused. Can you elaborate on what you were advising; or your point of view was.

Thanks a ton in advance

 

[Msafiri]

Msafiri:

Thx for taking time to respond to my query - however, I seem to have lost you in between.

I followed u till you posed a Q to me... But not much after.

I applied citz appln with 3yrs + safe 6 days out of 4 yrs - no concerns on physical presence here - no travels in this 3 yr period. I am all finalized to apply (in 3-4 days) for PR renewal appln with 3 yr 3 mths of 5 years ( no travel in between).

Now I am confused. Can you elaborate on what you were advising; or your point of view was.

Thanks a ton in advance

My initial post in this thread was a response to mero1984 on his/her friend's PR Card renewal being under SR. I am not clear where your confusion is but to simplify CIC can RQ you for both citizenship application and PR Card renewal application. CIC could skip both RQs or RQ you just for the one. My take is that if CIC RQ you for both, or, RQ citizenship and SR the PR Card renewal then CIC likely have residency concerns over both the 5 year window for RO review (PR Card renewal) and 4 year window for citizenship application (under the previous 3/4 years Citizenship Act). Relax, submit your applications and deal with an RQ if and when it comes...don't sweat it now its too early!!

 

[boltz]

My initial post in this thread was a response to mero1984 on his/her friend's PR Card renewal being under SR. I am not clear where your confusion is but to simplify CIC can RQ you for both citizenship application and PR Card renewal application. CIC could skip both RQs or RQ you just for the one. My take is that if CIC RQ you for both, or, RQ citizenship and SR the PR Card renewal then CIC likely have residency concerns over both the 5 year window for RO review (PR Card renewal) and 4 year window for citizenship application (under the previous 3/4 years Citizenship Act). Relax, submit your applications and deal with an RQ if and when it comes...don't sweat it now its too early!!

Msafiri :

Understood - all permutations/combinations for possible RQ/SR. My Q - do you see that 'submitting both pr renewal appln and citz appln' by itself any cause of concern? By concern I mean - will 2 applns at the same time mean an RQ/SR?

 

[Msafiri]

Msafiri :

Understood - all permutations/combinations for possible RQ/SR. My Q - do you see that 'submitting both pr renewal appln and citz appln' by itself any cause of concern? By concern I mean - will 2 applns at the same time mean an RQ/SR?

No it does not. All files reviewed on their own merits. Actually I expect more citizenship applicants to file for PR Card renewals in the citizenship process since the qualifying 6 year window now exceeds the 5 year PR Card validity. This even more so for those RQd, referred to a CJ or under legal proceedings for citizenship application refusal.

 

[truedream15]

My application for PR renewal is under 2nd review and my PR card is expried and I am planning to enter Canada via US boarder. I will show my confirmation of PR paper and will rent a car. Will that be a problem?

 

[boltz]

No it does not. All files reviewed on their own merits. Actually I expect more citizenship applicants to file for PR Card renewals in the citizenship process since the qualifying 6 year window now exceeds the 5 year PR Card validity. This even more so for those RQd, referred to a CJ or under legal proceedings for citizenship application refusal.

Yes, its understood that one on query (RQ/SR) means the 2nd one is also probably in trouble - since the officer might want to understand the decision for the other - however, thanks for clarifying that, just for the fact that both the applications are submitted, it does not mean any red flag. Thx.

 

[EddyIT]

Hello all,

Anybody have any updates on their Secondary Review cases?

My timeline:

Submitted PR Card renewal: September 2014
Secondary Review email: January 2015

8 months so far since the SR email and no updates. I called CIC about 3 weeks ago and they said to keep waiting.

Thanks

 

[barabashka]

Hello all,

Anybody have any updates on their Secondary Review cases?

My timeline:

Submitted PR Card renewal: September 2014
Secondary Review email: January 2015

8 months so far since the SR email and no updates. I called CIC about 3 weeks ago and they said to keep waiting.

Thanks

No updates from my side - but I "only" received the "processing delay" email a month ago. It seems like you are in the same situation for the last 8 months, and I guess they have not asked for any additional documents?

 

[ns_AB]

No update in online status of my case too. But, I called CIC call center 2 weeks before and they told me that they are working on my application now and should get my PR card in 3-4 weeks.
Here are my timelines -

Application Received at Sydney - August 11, 2014
E-mail Received - 5 January, 2015. No document requested in the e-mail. Just information that case has gone for secondary review and to expect further delay.
No e-mail after that.

 

[CastorT]

My application time line:
CIC received my application on February 2015
Got secondary review Mail on April 2015
Still in processing ,no additional documents required
Plus, all my friends who applied for urgent process got mail that asked for additional documents (relevant?)

 

[M.R.S]

what is the difference b/w secondary review and RQ ?

I applied for PR Card Renewal and received mail from Hamilton office asking me to submit the RQ and additional information . once i submitted the RQ and additional documents they sent another mail saying that they are unable to positively decide on my application as i am outside Canada and i should apply for PRTD at local CHC and submit the copy of PRTD to them. Once they receive my PRTD they will do further action.

I have sent the PRTD and waiting for further communication.

please advice how long it will take to get the PR Card.

 

[hbsk786]

Is there any updates September Renewal application submission and January second review normal process

 

[EddyIT]

No updates from my side - but I "only" received the "processing delay" email a month ago. It seems like you are in the same situation for the last 8 months, and I guess they have not asked for any additional documents?

No additional documents requested.

However, I was proactive and sent everything I had in advance with the application even if it wasn't required (Tax files, color copies of passport, employment documents etc)

Good luck.