Effective date of Bill C24

[staralihaider]

You are going to say here on this forum that whenever you call CIC centre for any information. They will give you false information every time. Dear This can be joke but not reality. I was intouch with CIC call centre and london cic centre for more than 3 years when I was applying for immigration and Not a single time they give me false information. You can read my posts from start.

 

[boltz]

Unfortunately it's not official .

To those who trust the call centre clerks without any official confirmation from the government I would give advice to make your plans according to what the centre clerk is giving you.

But the rest of the people want to see the real cut off date officially confirmed and written down.

I won't say you are wrong. It's just me - and as I see, I don't have a reason not to listen to cic call centre. It's not official yet, we know; however again it's me placing my bets among many speculations.

 

[MUFC]

I would also trust the call centre if I didn't heard different info about the cut off date and month.

I just can't erase my personal experience and that's why when I see that the info is coming from the call centre I am highly sceptical.

 

[MUFC]

But I think that it's a good idea for now to accept lets say 19th of June as the cut off date until the announcement of the real cut off date.

If the real cut off date happen to be earlier ... sorry tough luck.
If the real cut off date happen to be later ... sorry you should have stayed here to accumulate your days of physical presence.

So for now the cut off date is 19th of June.

(sorry no confirmation about that)

 

[staralihaider]

In June and July CIC will update so many things on website.

 

[MUFC]

Why you keep on mentioning July?
If the date is sometime in June everything should be already ready for the people ready to apply in the new rules.

Everything should be ready before 19th of June if that is the real cut off date.

 

[MUFC]

So are we gonna wait for official confirmation or we should trust 100% that the cut off date will be 19th of June?

The answer of that question can help a lot of people to make their plans for the near future.

My suggestion is to wait and trust only the official announcement of the real date.

 

[MUFC]

Here is an option for much more reliable source of information for the people really interested about the real cut off date and month if its known and intentionally kept away from public.

I'm copy pasting a segment from dpenabill post.

...for whom the date is important, should write a brief request to their Member of Parliament:

This should be a request that the MP either:

-- advise them when (more specifically than "in approximately a year") the government will in fact make the revised provisions in the SCCA in force, or

-- if the MP will ask the government, during the Parliament's Question & Answer Period, why it has not made the coming-into-force date public given the impact it will have on many thousands of PRs who are just now becoming eligible for a grant of citizenship

Including, in the request to the MP, a succinct statement about why the coming-into-force date is personally important might be a good idea. Keep it brief. Do not entangle this request with advocacy for changing the law (such as, for example, to give credit for time in Canada on a work permit).

 

[buddhaB]

Here is an option for much more reliable source of information for the people really interested about the real cut off date and month if its known and intentionally kept away from public.

I'm copy pasting a segment from dpenabill post.

...for whom the date is important, should write a brief request to their Member of Parliament:

This should be a request that the MP either:

-- advise them when (more specifically than "in approximately a year") the government will in fact make the revised provisions in the SCCA in force, or

-- if the MP will ask the government, during the Parliament's Question & Answer Period, why it has not made the coming-into-force date public given the impact it will have on many thousands of PRs who are just now becoming eligible for a grant of citizenship

Including, in the request to the MP, a succinct statement about why the coming-into-force date is personally important might be a good idea. Keep it brief. Do not entangle this request with advocacy for changing the law (such as, for example, to give credit for time in Canada on a work permit).

There is nobody defending immigrants`rights in this country.Like a union.we have no bargaining power whatsoever.Okay we have MPs but how effective are they in representing people? Since all legal immigrants are part of this country and have equal rights as citizens,in terms of human rights(excluding voting and stuff).Who is going to ask a question immigrants want to ask the parliament?

I do not think all MPs work effectively as they should since this is just politics.The MP in my area is conservative.If we ask a question or demand something against the values of Conservatives,is the MP going to ask that question and be behind us? The answer is 60% NO.

So conservative MPs will not do anything against BillC24 (probability is more than 60%) Because the BOSS is conservative.(either the PM or the minister of CIC)

 

[MUFC]

Here the question is NOT against the Bill or against the Conservatives.

The problem here is that there is still no clarity when the cut off date will be.

Most of the senior members here including me, we can't take the information as 100% sure if it's coming from the call centre.

I'm also one of those who have heard different dates and months from the call centre and that's why I also disregard if the info is coming again from the call clerks.

There is no way for somebody to file a complain against a call centre clerk simply because CIC doesn't have customer service, so they are not liable.

That's why there must be official and final confirmation about the real cut off date.

If the Conservatives will announce again the real date in the last moment, I can only feel sorry for all the people who will be eligible in the next 4 months.

 

[dpenabill]

. . . . but why would you think it cant come into force after the elections?

Technically I suppose it could. However, there is no credible hint, let alone a reliable source of information, that the process for implementing the amendments will be delayed into August, let alone September, let alone October. All indications (including, for example, the recent proposals for regulatory changes to facilitate implementation of the revisions, as well as the other housekeeping measures like the amendment to the SCCA in recently adopted legislation) are that the government is on track to implement the revisions as planned, which is to say approximately a year from mid-June 2014.

Reminder: once Parliament is dissolved for an election, all Parliamentary business is closed, terminated, dead. Even a Bill which has made it through a third reading but has not received Royal Assent, for example, dies when an election takes place and would have to start over from scratch after the next Parliament is seated and government formed (there are some rare exceptions).

I do not know what technically happens to legislation which has received Royal Assent but which has not yet come into force when an election takes place. My sense is that since there will be no Governor in Council once Parliament is dissolved for an election, it would be necessary for the Governor in Council to fix the date for the SCCA to take effect before the election. Technically I suppose that "date" could be fixed for some time in the future, after the election, or could even be conditional on future events such as a future order by a subsequent Governor in Council. However, this would probably be highly unusual and limited to legislation which was adopted with certain conditional elements expected and incorporated into it.

But as a practical matter, this is an all-but-done deal. The required comment time for the necessary regulatory changes has passed, some other statutory housekeeping amendments were included in another recently adopted Bill given Royal Assent (mentioned in a post a number of pages back), and generally it looks things are lining up for the government to go ahead and put the revisions into effect.

In other words, it is likely the curtain will be falling soon, most likely by the 1st of July if not sooner, but virtually a certainty by the first of September at the latest.


2016 as the effective date for new provisions:

The idea that amendments in the SCCA might not take effect until 2016 probably derives from anticipating when applications will actually be processed according to the new provisions, rather than the coming-into-force date. Remember, as of the coming-into-force date, the number of new applications being submitted is likely to drop to a trickle, a very small percentage of the usual number submitted for a given month. And those few will be subject to the now standard preliminary screening steps done in Sydney, including the completeness check, basic eligibility check (which will be more definitive going forward given the elimination of the distinction between basic residency eligibility and residency qualification), and the triage criteria screening for reasons-to-question-residency, and so it will be several months, probably well into 2016, before any applications are actually processed pursuant to the revised provisions.



June 19 to July 2

To be clear, this is probably consistent with the guess that most informed observers are making. It is consistent with my guess, my expectations; that is, even though I slightly lean toward June 1st as my specific guess, I recognize the high odds that the date is likely to be before July 2 at the latest, probably not sooner than June 1st, so the range June 19 to July 2 is about as good a guess as can be made.

That is, it is safe to say that there is indeed a high probability that the coming-into-force date will indeed be a date between June 19 and July 2.

This observation is based on very little weight given to statements by call centre representatives. I have no more idea what the call centre representatives are saying about this beyond the anecdotal reports I see, but as others have noted, there is no official date as yet, it is clear the Governor in Council has not yet made an order fixing the date, there is no formal announcements about the prospective date beyond last June's "approximately a year" statements by CIC, and the role of CIC call centre representatives is to provide formal, definitive information, and as things currently stand there is no formal or definitive information as to what the coming-into-force date will actually be.

If the CIC call centre representatives are lately beginning to give the same, or a very similar response, to questions about the effective date, it appears nonetheless it is not a definitive date, still a range, and still couched in terms of an estimation. Again, I do not know the precise language call centre representatives are using in responding to the questions about the effective date, but if all call centre representatives were responding exactly the same that would defy all known previous dealings with call centre representatives, who are well known for at least using variable language, if not giving outright different answers, to even relatively straight-forward questions.



Alternative sources to ask:

Look at some of the older media stories about the SCCA, such as at the Star or the National Post, look for the name of the reporters in the byline, and send an inquiry to that reporter, something like:

I am a PR who will be eligible for Canadian citizenship soon but not if the revised provisions for residency take effect before I can apply. I have been trying to find out when the new provisions will come into force. Have you or your [newspaper/TV station] reported yet on what that date will be? If not, is this something you will investigate and report about?


Probably worth adding another very brief paragraph stating why this information is important to you, noting for example that if the new requirements take effect before you can apply you will have to wait [a year or whatever period is applicable for you] more before you are eligible, but in the meantime if you knew you will have to wait anyway, you would like to spend two weeks visiting [parents/the Caribbean/Paris/whatever] abroad, but would not take the trip if it means you will be eligible for citizenship this year.

Sooner or later, some journalist might very well dig up some reliable source for a more definite date even though the Governor in Council has not yet made the order fixing the date.

Any notice more in advance of what the government will formally give should be of help to some, perhaps thousands.



Regarding the Parliamentary Business web site and notice of the order fixing the coming-into-force date:

I just started following this source watching for the coming-into-force date, so as I previously noted I am unsure about how up-to-date that source is maintained. That said, as I also previously noted, that site generally maintains the current status of all Bills as timely as any, and this appears to include adopted Bills subject to coming-into-force provisions dependent on an order by the Governor in Council, so I am expecting this site to be among the first to formally post the coming-into-force date.

Unfortunately, I notice that as of today it still indicates the information is current as of April 13, 2015, so it is obviously not updated on a daily basis. I wonder if it is weekly updated? bi-weekly?

 

[buddhaB]

Here the question is NOT against the Bill or against the Conservatives.

The problem here is that there is still no clarity when the cut off date will be.

Most of the senior members here including me, we can't take the information as 100% sure if it's coming from the call centre.

I'm also one of those who have heard different dates and months from the call centre and that's why I also disregard if the info is coming again from the call clerks.

There is no way for somebody to file a complain against a call centre clerk simply because CIC doesn't have customer service, so they are not liable.

That's why there must be official and final confirmation about the real cut off date.

If the Conservatives will announce again the real date in the last moment, I can only feel sorry for all the people who will be eligible in the next 4 months.

Buddy,here the question is who is defending my rights in the parliament??
Who is going to ask when the billc24 is going to be fully law on behalf of us?

Answer my question first before blabbing.If your answer is NOBODY,then my answer to you is "haha".

Nobody cares about your seniority on a free internet forum since you just share your experiences and thoughts,which we all have in common.

 

[screech339]

Buddy,here the question is who is defending my rights in the parliament??
Who is going to ask when the billc24 is going to be fully law on behalf of us?

Answer my question first before blabbing.If your answer is NOBODY,then my answer to you is "haha".

Nobody cares about your seniority on a free internet forum since you just share your experiences and thoughts,which we all have in common.

Do you introduce yourself to your MP as the following " hi my name is John doe and I'm a PR". Only maybe do you may have claim to say you have no rights. The only way the MP is going to know you are PR is if you told your MP that. Why would you tell your MP that you are PR. That is none of the MP's business to know whether you are PR or not. If you asked your MP what you want without letting them know you are PR, the MP will likely do what you ask if they are able do the task. The MP will assume you are a possible voter and will likely treat you as such.

 

[MUFC]

Like screech339 already mentioned the MP doesn't know whether someone asking a question is a PR or not. Looking for information from the local MPs is more reliable source of information than the call centre clerk.

The idea of dpenabill to ask a journalist from reliable media to do some proper investigation and research is also very good one.

Or the other very possible scenario is that there is still nothing confirmed as cut off date and for that reason no official information yet to be published.

 

[CanadianCountry]

Although i see no value in asking MP but my 2 cents is that not many citizens are interested in the BillC24 implementation date. So not many citizens are asking about this.

The person who asks will almost automatically be deemed as a noncitizen, so the MP may disregard this info request as frivolous.

Like screech339 already mentioned the MP doesn't know whether someone asking a question is a PR or not. Looking for information from the local MPs is more reliable source of information than the call centre clerk.

The idea of dpenabill to ask a journalist from reliable media to do some proper investigation and research is also very good one.

Or the other very possible scenario is that there is still nothing confirmed as cut off date and for that reason no official information yet to be published.