Effective date of Bill C24

[polara69]

Screech,
I am NOT arguing about the earning part. People already give enough in terms of their hard labor to earn citizenship in 4 years. 80-100 hour work weeks with back breaking labor for 4 years is sufficient in my dictionary to earn your citizenship. And call about 5 years then you are turning a sadist.

Keep increasing the residency requirement, the immigration will come to a trickle. The real estate will most definitely crash (atleast 30%) as its currently being buoyed by immigrants bringing in cash.

Make no mistake, Canada is no Switzerland.

CC, aren't you a bit over dramatic? I have not yet met a person working up to 100 hours a week..As to real estate, most people in Vancouver not owning property would welcome a crash, getting into housing here is almost impossible. And since many apartments and houses are owned by foreign investors that do not live and contribute here, this does not go down favorably with locals.

As to Canada is no Switzerland, you are right, I prefer living here by miles!

 

[screech339]

Screech,
I am NOT arguing about the earning part. People already give enough in terms of their hard labor to earn citizenship in 4 years. 80-100 hour work weeks with back breaking labor for 4 years is sufficient in my dictionary to earn your citizenship. And call about 5 years then you are turning a sadist.

Keep increasing the residency requirement, the immigration will come to a trickle. The real estate will most definitely crash (atleast 30%) as its currently being buoyed by immigrants bringing in cash.

Make no mistake, Canada is no Switzerland.

You seems to think working and paying TAXES gives you rights to citizenship. Sorry that is a false presumption. I suppose the stay at home spouse does not have any rights to citizenship according to you.

You can't have it both ways. You want those who paid taxes have more rights than those who don't. Man, talk about discrimination. You being a NDP supporter, that smack of hypocrisy for a party that believes in equal access for all, regarding of income.

 

[CanadianCountry]

First of all, im not being over dramatic. I see on a daily basis so many new immigrants working two jobs putting in 12+4=16 hours per day working 7 days a week. No off day from work. That comes to 112 hours per week. And this is not unusual. If you have not seen this, maybe you are out of touch from the ground reality.

Secondly, first time homebuyers will welcome the crash. People who already have multiple propertis will not like it. Also the cities revenue from property taxes will go down dramatically. Cities will have to turn to hiking property taxes. So the real estate crash, good for some, bad for others.

CC, aren't you a bit over dramatic? I have not yet met a person working up to 100 hours a week..As to real estate, most people in Vancouver not owning property would welcome a crash, getting into housing here is almost impossible. And since many apartments and houses are owned by foreign investors that do not live and contribute here, this does not go down favorably with locals.

As to Canada is no Switzerland, you are right, I prefer living here by miles!

 

[screech339]

First of all, im not being over dramatic. I see on a daily basis so many new immigrants working two jobs putting in 12+4=16 hours per day working 7 days a week. No off day from work. That comes to 112 hours per week. And this is not unusual. If you have not seen this, maybe you are out of touch from the ground reality.

Secondly, first time homebuyers will welcome the crash. People who already have multiple propertis will not like it. Also the cities revenue from property taxes will go down dramatically. Cities will have to turn to hiking property taxes. So the real estate crash, good for some, bad for others.

So you think that those who worked hard and paid taxes have more rights to citizenship than those who don't. I gotcha.

 

[CanadianCountry]

Please do not correlate paying taxes with rights to citizenship. You said about the need to EARN citizenship. Your point is currently PRs are not doing enough to earn citizenship. My point is the current PRs are doing enough already. To support my point, i pointed that many PRs are doing back breaking work for excruciatingly long hours and to me it seems like "earning" the citizenship. Its not about the paid or unpaid taxes. These people have paid through their labor. In my eyes they have already earned it.

Now earning in your eyes might be different. Maybe these PRs need to donate their kidneys or eyes to earn a citizenships (pun intended). Who knows what is earning a citizenship in your definition.

And not all NDP supporters are freeloaders. I believe in strengthening the capitalist system through taxation, but not in leaving behind poor and needy.

You seems to think working and paying TAXES gives you rights to citizenship. Sorry that is a false presumption. I suppose the stay at home spouse does not have any rights to citizenship according to you.

You can't have it both ways. You want those who paid taxes have more rights than those who don't. Man, talk about discrimination. You being a NDP supporter, that smack of hypocrisy for a party that believes in equal access for all, regarding of income.

 

[screech339]

Please do not correlate paying taxes with rights to citizenship. You said about the need to EARN citizenship. Your point is currently PRs are not doing enough to earn citizenship. My point is the current PRs are doing enough already. To support my point, i pointed that many PRs are doing back breaking work for excruciatingly long hours and to me it seems like "earning" the citizenship. Its not about the paid or unpaid taxes. These people have paid through their labor. In my eyes they have already earned it.

Now earning in your eyes might be different. Maybe these PRs need to donate their kidneys or eyes to earn a citizenships (pun intended). Who knows what is earning a citizenship in your definition.

And not all NDP supporters are freeloaders. I believe in strengthening the capitalist system through taxation, but not in leaving behind poor and needy.

In your world, those who works in construction / manual labour deserve more rights to citizenship (back breaking work) than those who sit at a desk. Yes. I got you. Again you like to cherry pick examples to make your point.

Remember those that do the back breaking labour can still qualify for citizenship if they quit their jobs or moved on to desk job.

 

[CanadianCountry]

Please dont turn this into a debate and take away the gist, PRs are already doing enough to earn their citizenship.

In your world, those who works in construction / manual labour deserve more rights to citizenship (back breaking work) than those who sit at a desk. Yes. I got you. Again you like to cherry pick examples to make your point.

Remember those that do the back breaking labour can still qualify for citizenship if they quit their jobs or moved on to desk job.

 

[screech339]

Please dont turn this into a debate and take away the gist, PRs are already doing enough to earn their citizenship.

I am not turning it into a debate. I am trying to understand the point you are making. And the gist is that you believe PR earn their citizenship more because they pay taxes and worked manual labour than those who don't pay taxes or worked at a desk job. It's that simple. This is not a debate. This is what YOU believe.

 

[MUFC]

Please dont turn this into a debate and take away the gist, PRs are already doing enough to earn their citizenship.

The problem is why only Canada is still giving away the citizenship with ONLY 4 years of physical presence as PR.
Why the price is still lower compared to the other 1st world countries?
For me this citizenship is still like a give away gift.

 

[meyakanor]

The problem is why only Canada is still giving away the citizenship with ONLY 4 years of physical presence as PR.
Why the price is still lower compared to the other 1st world countries?
For me this citizenship is still like a give away gift.

Well, you'd be surprised then to find that Australia requires only four years of residence before one can qualify to become a citizen, of these four years, only the last one year needs to be time spent as a PR.

 

[MUFC]

Well, you'd be surprised then to find that Australia requires only four years of residence before one can qualify to become a citizen, of these four years, only the last one year needs to be time spent as a PR.

YEP, another cheap to get citizenship from 1st world country.

 

[meyakanor]

YEP, another cheap to get citizenship from 1st world country.

One can also potentially become a citizen of UK, Ireland, and yes, even Finland, (and some other so-called 'first-world' countries) after 4 years (or less) of physical presence as a permanent resident in any of these countries.

Surprise surprise, counting pre-PR time is more common than you think. I suppose first world citizenships are 'cheaper' than most people think, or rather, Canadian citizenship is more 'expensive' than originally thought, eh?

 

[screech339]

Surprise surprise, counting pre-PR time is more common than you think. I suppose first world citizenships are 'cheaper' than most people think, or rather, Canadian citizenship is more 'expensive' than originally thought, eh?

Collecting Pre-PR days more common than you think? Only Australia allow that, the lone country in the world. How is that "more common than you think"?

 

[meyakanor]

Collecting Pre-PR days more common than you think? Only Australia allow that, the lone country in the world. How is that "more common than you think"?

UK, Ireland, and Finland also allow that.

 

[CanadianCountry]

Just checked the UK citizenship requirement. They consider 4 years of pre-PR time. Each day of pre-PR time is counted as full day in UK.

Here is the text from the site (see point 5 highlighted below):
There are different ways to become a British citizen. The most common is called ‘naturalisation’.

You can apply for British citizenship by naturalisation if:

1.you’re 18 or over
2.you’re of good character, eg you don’t have a serious or recent criminal record, and you haven’t tried to deceive the Home Office or been involved in immigration offences in the last 10 years
3.you’ll continue to live in the UK
4.you’ve met the knowledge of English and life in the UK requirements
5 you meet the residency requirement

And you must usually have:

1.lived in the UK for at least the 5 years before the date of your application
2.spent no more than 450 days outside the UK during those 5 years
3.spent no more than 90 days outside the UK in the last 12 months
4.been granted indefinite leave to stay in the UK (or permanent residence if you’re an EEA national) - this means there’s no specific date that you have to leave
5.had indefinite leave to stay in the UK for the last 12 months (or permanent residence if you’re an EEA national)
6.not broken any immigration laws while in the UK

Collecting Pre-PR days more common than you think? Only Australia allow that, the lone country in the world. How is that "more common than you think"?