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keesio said:
A very professional, well run organization with an emphasis on quality/efficiency and concerned about keeping their clients happy will no doubt take the time and resources to make sure everyone is properly trained and all documentation is updated before enacting a new process or procedure.
That made me laugh :D.
 

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Hence the reason that the law says approx. one year for 4/6 rule to come into effect. Besides, how much training is needed to calculate 4 years out of 6 years. It is not that hard.
There is no such law, nothing at all in Bill C-24 which says these provisions will come into effect in approximately one year. The public announcement posted by CIC following the grant of Royal Assent (along with attendant "backgrounder" publications issued around the same time in June) is the only publicly published information provided regarding when these provisions will come into force. In that announcement, among the "quick facts" noted by CIC, is the following:
Citizenship applicants will need to be physically present in Canada for a total of four out of their last six years. In addition, they will need to be physically present in Canada for 183 days per year for at least four of those six years. These provisions will come into force in approximately a year.
That announcement has no official or formal impact. It does not require the Governor in Council to not order the remaining provisions to come into force for approximately a year. It is possible (though I do not think it likely) the effective date could be January 1, 2015. We do not know.

The real question is whether or not, and even if so to what extent, there will be notice before the date the new residency provisions come into force. I suspect there will be some, but relatively minimal notice of the actual date.

Of course we already have notice that the new residency provisions will take effect. That was inherent in Bill C-24 obtaining Royal Assent.



Further note:
- Minister will make the decision without being required to hold a formal hearing (which means minister needs to learn the law in more formal ways)
The provisions which provide for this are NOW in effect, as of August 1st.

Perhaps it would not take a full year to prepare for this transition. But CIC was given six weeks from the date of Royal Assent, and one day's actual notice of when, this major change in procedure was to take effect.

That, one must acknowledge, is a likely clue about how thoroughly CIC will be prepared to implement the new residency (presence) requirements before the Governor in Council orders them to come into force.


Regarding how much preparation CIC will do prior to new law taking effect:

As many will say, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

On July 31st the Governor in Council ordered that major provisions in Bill C-24 take effect the next day, August 1st. In addition to this including those provisions which all but eliminated the decision-making role of Citizenship Judges (now limited to deciding residency cases), also coming into effect as of August 1st were those provisions implementing major changes to the grounds and procedure governing the revocation of citizenship. Big deal stuff.

How much preparation did CIC do before the Governor in Council ordered these provisions to take effect? We do not know. But we do know that the formal announcement asking for public comment regarding the adoption of new regulations and amendments to existing regulations governing revocation procedures, was just published this week in the Gazette, more than fourteen weeks AFTER the law went into effect.

In other words, CIC is just now beginning the process to adapt its procedures for provisions of law which have been in effect for well over three months, some five months after the law was adopted.

There are good reasons for canuck_in_uk to be laughing, even if none of those reasons are at all funny.
 

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dpenabill said:
At the risk of being flip: what does that have to do with CIC?

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There are good reasons for canuck_in_uk to be laughing, even if none of those reasons are at all funny.
It is clear that you didn't get the gist of our comments.
 

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keesio said:
It is clear that you didn't get the gist of our comments.
Perhaps I did not get it.

Thought I did. My sense was that your description was deliberately illustrating what many criticize CIC is not but should be, and that canuck_in_uk was laughing at that as well-deserved sarcasm. And my statement, at the risk of being flip ("what does that have to do with CIC"), was likewise echoing that sentiment.

I am pretty sure I read canuck_in_uk correctly, that is to talk about a "well run organization with an emphasis on quality/efficiency and concerned about keeping their clients happy" in the context of CIC is laughable.

(But not because it is funny. On the contrary.)

Sorry if, as you say, I got the gist of your post wrong. (Although frankly it is still hard for me to see it as not being a sarcastic observation emphasizing what CIC is not.)



In any event, though, it would be a mistake for anyone (not addressing this to anyone in particular) to assume that CIC will be well prepared to implement the new residency provisions before those provisions take effect. Unfortunately, history suggests the contrary.

Which is to say, whatever is a reasonable amount of preparation time before which the new provisions will take effect, that unfortunately offers little or no insight into when the Governor in Council will actually order these provisions to come into force.
 

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dpenabill said:
Sorry if, as you say, I got the gist of your post wrong. (Although frankly it is still hard for me to see it as not being a sarcastic observation emphasizing what CIC is not.)
Actually my bad. I read your post wrong! Yeah that was total sarcasm. I thought you thought I was serious!
 

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A question,

How is 183 days accountable for a person who actually became PR after September ?? in that year ?
How those 183 days be calculated ? for each 4 yrs ?

Can Someone explain..
Lets say a Person landed on 8th September 2013 ...? How would 183 days be accountable as per new Law in every Year ?
 

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In that case the year 1 starts from 8th Sep 2013 and finishes 7th Sep 2014. I hope it clarifies.

aries9811 said:
A question,

How is 183 days accountable for a person who actually became PR after September ?? in that year ?
How those 183 days be calculated ? for each 4 yrs ?

Can Someone explain..
Lets say a Person landed on 8th September 2013 ...? How would 183 days be accountable as per new Law in every Year ?
 

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so 183 days must be anywhere in Sept 2013-Sept 2014 but not continous ?
 

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so..
if that's the case...
the Person can still apply for Citizenship as per 4/6 Rule by end of 2016 ? As that person fulfills 183 days by end of 2016 or Jan 2017 ? With 4/6 Rule and minimum of 183 days each year.
 

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aries9811 said:
so..
if that's the case...
the Person can still apply for Citizenship as per 4/6 Rule by end of 2016 ? As that person fulfills 183 days by end of 2016 or Jan 2017 ? With 4/6 Rule and minimum of 183 days each year.
See http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/c24-bill-do-not-understand-the-requirement-pls-help-t226557.0.html
 

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Not continuous, anywhere in between the dates.

aries9811 said:
so 183 days must be anywhere in Sept 2013-Sept 2014 but not continous ?
 

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By staying just the minimum of 183 days each year, you will not become eligible for citizenship as you are here for only little over 50% of the time. As per 4/6 rule you need to be here greater than 75% of the time.

Just consider this, by living 183 days each year, how many years will it take to have 4 yrs of residence. It will be 8 yrs in total. So as per this, not eligible for citizenship application. By doing this you would only be maintaining your PR.

aries9811 said:
so..
if that's the case...
the Person can still apply for Citizenship as per 4/6 Rule by end of 2016 ? As that person fulfills 183 days by end of 2016 or Jan 2017 ? With 4/6 Rule and minimum of 183 days each year.
 

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I am a Canadian citizen who has been out of Canada for 2 years, and due to health condition I cannot work. Can I stay out of Canada on a long term basis and will I be able to renew my passport ?