Effective date of Bill C24

[valigap31]

What kind of travel document is it? I am curious as to what it is? It is obviously not a passport and a PR travel document would allow you to come enter Canada from outside.

Just curious as to what kind of travel document is it that would allow you to leave Canada stateless.

The one I have it is call Refugee travel document,
You can find it here is blue color
http://www.ppt.gc.ca/pptc/documents.aspx?lang=eng

 

[screech339]

Technically you can, with a Certificate of Identity. However, a CI is not valid for travel back to the country you made yourself stateless from.

Moot point for me anyway, it's not an option as my job requires me to maintain a valid passport for travel to Europe, Central America and, yes, back to the US every so often.

In other words, it is pointless to leave Canada while being stateless. While being stateless, you might as well stay in Canada until you get Canadian citizenship.

 

[screech339]

The one I have it is call Refugee travel document,
You can find it here is blue color
http://www.ppt.gc.ca/pptc/documents.aspx?lang=eng

Question is are you stateless?

There are two kinds of refugees. One being stateless refugee and the other refugee due to fear of their lives in native country.

 

[valigap31]

In other words, it is pointless to leave Canada while being stateless. While being stateless, you might as well stay in Canada until you get Canadian citizenship.

Well that's the best, but can you stay in Canada for 10 Years without leaving the Country?

 

[valigap31]

Question is are you stateless?

There are two kinds of refugees. One being stateless refugee and the other refugee due to fear of their lives in native country.

Yes, Stateless

 

[2_of_5]

In other words, it is pointless to leave Canada while being stateless. While being stateless, you might as well stay in Canada until you get Canadian citizenship.

Correct.

The only way I would seek statelessness is if my work did not require me to travel, I had no family outside of Canada, and purely as a political act. I don't make enough income to pay tax to the US, so taxation is not an issue. Treating expats as criminals is the issue for me.

I can wait if I have to to relinquish. I figure that's a big enough eff-you to the US government

 

[screech339]

Correct.

The only way I would seek statelessness is if my work did not require me to travel, I had no family outside of Canada, and purely as a political act. I don't make enough income to pay tax to the US, so taxation is not an issue. Treating expats as criminals is the issue for me.

I can wait if I have to to relinquish. I figure that's a big enough eff-you to the US government

You mean to Obama, specifically.

 

[2_of_5]

You mean to Obama, specifically.

No, to that entire festering cesspool of Washington, DC. ;D

 

[CanadianCountry]

Nobody cared and nobody will ever care.

No, to that entire festering cesspool of Washington, DC. ;D

 

[screech339]

No, to that entire festering cesspool of Washington, DC. ;D

So it is a coincidence that the number of US renunciations has increased multifold during Obama's mandate in comparison to any other US presidents. That causes alarm to Obama which increased the cost the fees fourfold.

As much as you like to believe otherwise, the increase of renunciations during Obama's mandate is a big huge middle finger to Obama. If the numbers didn't increased in numbers, the fees wouldn't have increased at all.

 

[CanadianCountry]

Obama is still doing an outstanding job per majority of Americans.

So it is a coincidence that the number of US renunciations has increased multifold during Obama's mandate in comparison to any other US presidents. Meanwhile Obama has increased the cost of renunciations fourfold.

 

[DND]

And you wondered why Canadian government is making it harder to achieve citizenship. People like you think they are entitled to citizenship as a right just because they pay taxes or right to pre-PR days toward citizenship.

Wow!

Engineering professional moving to US on a TN Visa.
Is this dis-allowed now?
If Canada wants to avoid that from happening, the right thing to do is to cancel or renegotiate the NAFTA agreement

Many born/naturalized Canadian citizens use the TN visa all the time.

The law changes are meant to reduce people like you in being becoming Canadian of Convenience

I see what you mean here. It is OK for citizens to become "Canadian of Convenience" as per you (How is using TN visa a Canadian of convenience exactly?).
It is just unacceptable for "People like him"

 

[screech339]

Wow!

Engineering professional moving to US on a TN Visa.
Is this dis-allowed now?
If Canada wants to avoid that from happening, the right thing to do is to cancel or renegotiate the NAFTA agreement

Many born/naturalized Canadian citizens use the TN visa all the time.

I see what you mean here. It is OK for citizens to become "Canadian of Convenience" as per you (How is using TN visa a Canadian of convenience exactly?).
It is just unacceptable for "People like him"

TN visa a temporary visa in which they must return to Canada at some point. But the longer a person stays out Canada, the more the person becomes Canadian of Convenience. There comes a time when the taxes spent outside Canada won't cover the social services for the time they come back to Canada. TN visa has no limits in renewing visa, so a person can in theory stay in US as long as he/she can.

I became a Canadian of Convenience when I worked in US since any taxes spent in US is not spent in Canada social services. In theory, the 5 years out of Canada, I shouldn't have access to medical care in Canada for 5 years when I come back since I didn't pay 5 years of taxes to cover it.

 

[CanadianCountry]

And since all of this creates problem in sustaining social services here in Canada, Canada should pull itself out of the NAFTA agreement.

TN visa a temporary visa in which they must return to Canada at some point. But the longer a person stays out Canada, the more the person becomes Canadian of Convenience. There comes a time when the taxes spent outside Canada won't cover the social services for the time they come back to Canada. TN visa has no limits in renewing visa, so a person can in theory stay in US as long as he/she can.

 

[screech339]

And since all of this creates problem in sustaining social services here in Canada, Canada should pull itself out of the NAFTA agreement.

Do Americans in Canada on TN visa have access to social benefits other than medical care?

Canadians on TN visa in US don't have any access to social programs at all. None whatsoever. Medical cost is paid through your employer's and your paycheque, not through your taxes.