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[CanadianCountry]

For Canadians on TN Visa in US, the medical coverage expires with absence of more than 183 days. So they are not eligible for medical costs here in Canada. Their only lifeline is the employer paid insurance.

For Americans on TN Visa in Canada, they are covered by the govt medical benefits. But look into what Obamacare has brought in regard to cheap medical insurance plans.

Also instead of blaming stupid Ontario Health plans, you are putting blame on people. As a comparison between Ontario and Alberta:

From Ontario Health site:
Q) Will OHIP cover me during a longer absence?
In some circumstances (described below), your eligibility for Ontario health insurance coverage (OHIP) may continue while you are absent from Ontario for more than 212 days in a 12-month period in certain limited circumstances, as long as you maintain your primary place of residence in Ontario.

Absences Outside Canada

You may be eligible for continuous OHIP coverage if you are away from Ontario for one of the following reasons :

Study full-time outside of Canada
Work outside of Canada
Charitable work outside of Canada

To be eligible for continuous OHIP coverage during one of these absences, you must first meet certain physical presence requirements. You must be physically present in Ontario for at least 153 days in each of the 2 consecutive years immediately before the absence.

From Alberta Health site:

Temporary absence/travelling:
Stays outside Canada for a period that will not exceed 6 consecutive months, and the person intends to return to and maintain permanent residence in Alberta on the conclusion of the stay outside Alberta

Extended absence from Alberta
You must maintain your AHCIP coverage if you leave Alberta for another part of Canada and intend to return within 12 months, or leave for another country and intend to return within 6 months
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Ontario Health law is stupid which needs reforms, but still you keep on blaming the people.

Do Americans in Canada on TN visa have access to social benefits other than medical care?

Canadians on TN visa in US don't have any access to social programs at all. None whatsoever. Medical cost is paid through your employer's and your paycheque, not through your taxes.

 

[screech339]

But look into what Obamacare has brought in regard to cheap medical insurance plans.

Cheap US medical insurance plans? Ha ha! That's a laugh. The employer and employees now have to pay more for more services they don't need.

Whatever happened to Obama's famous quote. 'If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan'. That is the biggest lie ever told next to Clinton's "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"

 

[CanadianCountry]

It seems you want it all. Low taxes of US, medical benefits of Canada. Nobody can have it all.

People in US even if they pay high insurance premium, but still have lower taxes. People in Canada pay high taxes and have universal coverage.

Why compare, why blame people who think TN visa a good option for them.

Cheap US medical insurance plans? Ha ha! That's a laugh. The employer and employees now have to pay more for more services they don't need.

Whatever happened to Obama's famous quote. 'If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan'. That is the biggest lie ever told.

 

[ZingyDNA]

In theory, the 5 years out of Canada, I shouldn't have access to medical care in Canada for 5 years when I come back since I didn't pay 5 years of taxes to cover it.

This would be logical, except born Canadians who stay inside Canada all the time and don't pay taxes can have free health coverage. Why can't naturalized Canadians who stayed a period of time outside Canada have health coverage, when they come back to Canada? Both categories contribute nothing for Canada...

 

[CanadianCountry]

ZingyDNA,
I think screech got this twisted view that the naturalized Canadians have MORE responsibilities than born Canadians. This is because the naturalized people have received a HUGE favor of being granted citizenship here.

This would be logical, except born Canadians who stay inside Canada all the time and don't pay taxes can have free health coverage. Why can't naturalized Canadians who stayed a period of time outside Canada have health coverage, when they come back to Canada? Both categories contribute nothing for Canada...

 

[screech339]

It seems you want it all. Low taxes of US, medical benefits of Canada. Nobody can have it all.

People in US even if they pay high insurance premium, but still have lower taxes. People in Canada pay high taxes and have universal coverage.

Why compare, why blame people who think TN visa a good option for them.

TN visa is only good for each other country's economy, nothing more. You really get nothing out of it, except the currency exchange rate. It is one of the reasons I moved back to Canada. I cannot make any long term investment in my family in US on TN visa. You can't get a new car, you can only lease. You can't get a mortgage for a house, always renting. Don't have any access to social benefits.

If there is any good US visa's its the H1B visa. At least that is a dual intent visa which can lead to Green Card, assuming employer want to sponsor you for it.

 

[ZingyDNA]

ZingyDNA,
I think screech got this twisted view that the naturalized Canadians have MORE responsibilities than born Canadians. This is because the naturalized people have received a HUGE favor of being granted citizenship here.

Then he's wrong. At least a great percentage of naturalized Canadians paid taxes before they become citizens. Can you say the same for born Canadians?

 

[screech339]

ZingyDNA,
I think screech got this twisted view that the naturalized Canadians have MORE responsibilities than born Canadians. This is because the naturalized people have received a HUGE favor of being granted citizenship here.

Both naturalized and born Canadians have equal responsibilities to maintaining Canada's economy. Isn't that why you want to become Canadian. To contribute to Canada and its economy. Not sure where you get that naturalized Canadians have more.

 

[ZingyDNA]

Both naturalized and born Canadians have equal responsibilities to maintaining Canada's economy.

Yes, and both should have the same benefits. If a born Canadian can sit on his/her hands all the time and receive social benefits, there is no such thing as "Canadian of convenience." At lease a CoC has the ability/potential to contribute when (s)he comes back

 

[screech339]

Yes, and both should have the same benefits. If a born Canadian can sit on his/her hands all the time and receive social benefits, there is no such thing as "Canadian of convenience." At lease a CoC has the ability/potential to contribute when (s)he comes back

Unfortunately there are a number of Canadians both born and naturalized that will leech the Canadian social benefits for all its worth. As far as I'm concerned, both of them are not Canadians in the sense. So if you want them to get off the dole, cut them off. Right!!! That is who you are complaining about since the numbers are few. Unfortunately Canada is a socialist country and that would never happen. I guess you need to continue voting the current government so that they can start the work in cutting them off.

 

[DND]

TN visa a temporary visa in which they must return to Canada at some point. But the longer a person stays out Canada, the more the person becomes Canadian of Convenience. There comes a time when the taxes spent outside Canada won't cover the social services for the time they come back to Canada. TN visa has no limits in renewing visa, so a person can in theory stay in US as long as he/she can.

I became a Canadian of Convenience when I worked in US since any taxes spent in US is not spent in Canada social services. In theory, the 5 years out of Canada, I shouldn't have access to medical care in Canada for 5 years when I come back since I didn't pay 5 years of taxes to cover it.

You mix too many things

Canadian of Convinience:
The term "Canadians of convenience" was popularized by Canadian politician Garth Turner in 2006 in conjunction with the evacuation of Canadian citizens from Lebanon during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. It refers to people with multiple citizenship who immigrated to Canada, met the residency requirement to obtain citizenship, obtained Canadian citizenship, and moved back to their original home country while maintaining their Canadian citizenship, with those who support the term claiming they do so as a safety net.

Was the US your original country, while you intended to use Canada as a "sefety net"?

For NAFTA:
Do you think overall the NAFTA is not beneficial for Canada? Do you wish it was canceled, or a particular aspect of it changed?

For Healtcare/Social Services:
Do you want to change any of the existing rules in this regard? Privatize Healtcare?
Healtcare is per province, in Nova Scotia for example you are able to get healtcare from day 1 of landing. In Ontario you have to wait 3 months, and maintain residency of 6 month per year to be eligible. It has nothing to do with NAFTA, which is decided on federal level

Overall:
Any particular issues you want to solve (and yet other voters might think they are non-issues) should be addressed specifically

I am perfectly fine with this guy getting his citizenship and going to work in the US. He has same right to do so, as any other Canadian citizen, and in exchange Canada gets other benefits from the agreement overall

I'm also fine with changing other laws after proper discussion.

 

[ZingyDNA]

Unfortunately there are a number of Canadians both born and naturalized that will leech the Canadian social benefits for all its worth. As far as I'm concerned, both of them are not Canadians in the sense. So if you want them to get off the dole, cut them off. Right!!! That is who you are complaining about since the numbers are few. Unfortunately Canada is a socialist country and that would never happen. I guess you need to continue voting the current government so that they can start the work in cutting them off.

Well I'm not complaining. I'm a laid back person so I'm enjoying the pace here in Canada. A little socialism so everyone gets to eat is good! And I get to type these posts here

I just don't like the fact some Canadians are so protective of their benefits while they should look at their own people first.

 

[screech339]

Was the US your original country, while you intended to use Canada as a "sefety net"?

US is not my original country. If you read my post, I worked in US on TN visa. I wouldn't be on TN visa if US is my original country.

For NAFTA:
Do you think overall the NAFTA is not beneficial for Canada? Do you wish it was canceled, or a particular aspect of it changed?

NAFTA benefited to each other's country. Canada would not have the economy it has now if there were no treaty. That is why I said TN visa is only good for help the economy along, nothing more, you contribute to the economy of the country with nothing to show for personally.

For Healtcare/Social Services:
Do you want to change any of the existing rules in this regard? Privatize Healtcare?
Healtcare is per province, in Nova Scotia for example you are able to get healtcare from day 1 of landing. In Ontario you have to wait 3 months, and maintain residency of 6 month per year to be eligible. It has nothing to do with NAFTA, which is decided on federal level

The waiting time for qualify for medical care has no bearing. The longer you are out of Canada, the more taxes not paid into medical care. That is like not paying life insurance for 5 years and when you do find out you have a terminal illness, you go buy life insurance.

Overall:
Any particular issues you want to solve (and yet other voters might think they are non-issues) should be addressed specifically

I am perfectly fine with this guy getting his citizenship and going to work in the US. He has same right to do so, as any other Canadian citizen, and in exchange Canada gets other benefits from the agreement overall

I'm also fine with changing other laws after proper discussion.

I agree that he has as much right to apply for TN visa as a Canadian in US. But the way he wrote it, he want to get Canadian citizenship and get out to any other countries including US all over feeling that he is mistreated or it is not going his/her way.

 

[YorkFactory]

Cheap US medical insurance plans? Ha ha! That's a laugh. The employer and employees now have to pay more for more services they don't need.

Said someone who obviously doesn't know any of the millions of people benefiting from the Affordable Care Act.

Whatever happened to Obama's famous quote. 'If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan'. That is the biggest lie ever told next to Clinton's "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"

Oh, please. The plans that people are crying about not being able to keep qualify less as health insurance and more as disaster insurance. Fine if you get hit by a bus, but utterly useless if you need regular medical care.

 

[screech339]

Said someone who obviously doesn't know any of the millions of people benefiting from the Affordable Care Act.

In order to benefit the affordable care act, you need a job regardless to pay for it. Now with the law preventing insurance to denying insurance from "preexisting condition", it is cheaper to wait until you are actually sick before buying insurance, even with the fines for not buying insurance. Even if you waited until you are actually sick before buying insurance, the premiums would be so unaffordable. Sure the insurance is not denying you insurance, they simply charge higher for it.

Since you still need to buy insurance, you need money. No money, no insurance, get a fine. no money to pay for fine, still no insurance, more fines. Same problem.