Education/eligibility issue - help (senior members particularly) !!!!!

[OnyX]

Hi all,

I am thinking to apply for permanent residence under Federal Skilled Worker. But before that, I have to sort out this eligibility and (mainly) education issue I am confronted with right now.

Thing is that I have got a civil-engineering diploma from a college that is not of a post-secondary level (i.e. it can be considered as a high-school level). After then about 10 years or more, I got my bachelors in business administration from a recognized university.

Now, I wish to apply under the NOC category: 0711 because I have got more experience in that and my job's main duties are matching with the ones listed for this whole NOC unit as well. But I am afraid that since i didn't acquire my civil engineering diploma from an accredited college (which is of high-school level by the way), would they reject my application on that basis? Even after my highest level of education (BBA) is from a recognized university?

I am asking this question because i have seen some of the applications here being rejected on the non-accreditation grounds..

Please to be noted that I would have applied under NOC 0111 (Financial Managers) to utilize my BBA but I am not having any significant experience under that. Plus I think the eligibility stage only requires one full-time work experience in the given 38 ministerial NOC occupations and when I am having that, why would they possibly refuse my application on the non-accreditation basis ?!

Looking for help particularly from senior members,
thanks in advance,

 

[rupeshhari]

Those people got rejected because their degree was not recognized not because their work wasn't accredited (not sure what that could even mean). If your work experience is that of 0711, then go ahead and apply. At the worst if you get rejected for work experience, you get your money back. At the best, you make it.

 

[aanbaan]

Hi all,

I am thinking to apply for permanent residence under Federal Skilled Worker. But before that, I have to sort out this eligibility and (mainly) education issue I am confronted with right now.

Thing is that I have got a civil-engineering diploma from a college that is not of a post-secondary level (i.e. it can be considered as a high-school level). After then about 10 years or more, I got my bachelors in business administration from a recognized university.

Now, I wish to apply under the NOC category: 0711 because I have got more experience in that and my job's main duties are matching with the ones listed for this whole NOC unit as well. But I am afraid that since i didn't acquire my civil engineering diploma from an accredited college (which is of high-school level by the way), would they reject my application on that basis? Even after my highest level of education (BBA) is from a recognized university?

I am asking this question because i have seen some of the applications here being rejected on the non-accreditation grounds..

Please to be noted that I would have applied under NOC 0111 (Financial Managers) to utilize my BBA but I am not having any significant experience under that. Plus I think the eligibility stage only requires one full-time work experience in the given 38 ministerial NOC occupations and when I am having that, why would they possibly refuse my application on the non-accreditation basis ?!

Looking for help particularly from senior members,
thanks in advance,

can you give a break up of your education from school till BBA with no. of years... I can suggest the no of points you can gather

 

[OnyX]

@ rupeshhari:
Thanks but can you clear out on how will they evaluate the education factor?
For instance, will they check the accreditation of the highest educational achievement of the applicant (even it does not 'complement' the job under which we are eligible for the given 38 NOCs)?

@ aanbaan:
well here's the scenario:
primary and secondary education (approx. 10 years / full-time)
diploma in civil engineering (three years / full-time - from an unrecognized vocational college)
Bachelors in business administration (two years / part-time - from a recognized university)

so how many possible points can I gain under this selection factor? will this diploma coming from an unrecognized college possibly pose any problem?

 

[rely]

You will get 20 points.

@ rupeshhari:
Thanks but can you clear out on how will they evaluate the education factor?
For instance, will they check the accreditation of the highest educational achievement of the applicant (even it does not 'complement' the job under which we are eligible for the given 38 NOCs)?

@ aanbaan:
well here's the scenario:
primary and secondary education (approx. 10 years / full-time)
diploma in civil engineering (three years / full-time - from an unrecognized vocational college)
Bachelors in business administration (two years / part-time - from a recognized university)

so how many possible points can I gain under this selection factor? will this diploma coming from an unrecognized college possibly pose any problem?

 

[aanbaan]

you will fetch 15 points if your diploma is not considered, else 20...

 

[rupeshhari]

He has 10 years of school
3 years of diploma
2 years part time of degree

If diploma is counted and 2 years part time is equivalent to 1 year full time, then he will get 15 points.
If diploma is counted and 2 years part time is equivalent to 2 year full time, then he will get 20 points.

If diploma is not counted and 2 years part time is equivalent to 1 year full time, then he will get 5 points.
If diploma is not counted and 2 years part time is equivalent to 2 year full time, then he will get 12 points.

By counted, i mean they count it as education years, but in the above I assume they will not give points for the diploma even if they count the education years from the diploma.

 

[rupeshhari]

@ rupeshhari:
Thanks but can you clear out on how will they evaluate the education factor?
For instance, will they check the accreditation of the highest educational achievement of the applicant (even it does not 'complement' the job under which we are eligible for the given 38 NOCs)?

I think I misunderstood your question in my first reply.

My understanding is that they don't check whether the education fits the job. So education factor is different from work points. The fact that you have the correct experience will give you experience points.
Your education points is explained above. I don't know if they will consider your diploma or not.
The best thing to do is to apply. If you get rejected for work point or education points, you should get your money back (although with a bit of a delay).

 

[OnyX]

Thank you rely, aanbaan and rupeshhari..

yes, 2 years part-time is equivalent to 2 year full-time.. but how will that be 20 points even after having a full-time three year diploma? Is it because of not having required full-time years (e.g. which have to be 15 at least to get 22 points)?

and so you guys see any possibility about my diploma not being considered at all because of its coming from an unrecognized college? any idea as to what are its chances?

 

[S.K]

primary and secondary education (approx. 10 years / full-time)
diploma in civil engineering (three years / full-time - from an unrecognized vocational college)
Bachelors in business administration (two years / part-time - from a recognized university)

22 points if you got points for diploma otherwise 15

 

[rupeshhari]

I assume that you won't get points for the diploma because it is not recognized.
If it is recognized, then you could get 22 points.

If it isn't recognized, I gave the different points you could get based on whether they will count the years of education or not.

 

[OnyX]

Thank you people again. Looks like I should give it a shot, let's see what happens..

and oh about the degrees and transcripts - will we have to submit only post-secondary degrees/diplomas and their mark sheets to the local visa office or will they also be wanting our secondary school certificates (i.e. high school's transcripts)?

 

[rupeshhari]

my visa office did not require secondary school.
You should check appendix A for your visa office.

 

[OnyX]

Yes.. as I check it now, my visa office (London) doesn't require either. It says about the post-secondary diplomas and degrees only (along with original transcripts).

I have been wondering lately, thought i should ask you here now (sorry for bombarding with so many questions) but the way you guys have evaluated and suggested the points above, has it been this way too before feb. 2008 or is there now more strictness in calculating the points under this new law?

 

[rupeshhari]

I dont know. i wasn't around applying then but i believe it hasn't changed. Whatever I said above is not based on strictness as there was no subjectivity involved. So basically i guess i am saying they are not more or less strict when it comes to education points. It is what it is.