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DO NOT COME TO CANADA (Part II)

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yes but are you told the truth at all

to come to canada for example as a skilled worker,,u have better chance if u have a higher education,,,,ok,,,,they allow u to come here and u get points for ur education,,,,,but then,,,,,ur education is not recognized,,,,,or u have to go to colleges for upgrading for years to come
 

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I agree. This is why I left the UK. At some point I got fed up with endless visa applications, police registration checks, immigration interviews, restrictions on leaving and re-entering the country and all other procedures reserved to non europeans. I do not wish to live in the EU no matter how much the pay is.

on-hold said:
I agree that the Gulf cannot be compared to Canada, but I don't care about the jobs:

- if you live in Dubai for 4 years, can you become a citizen?
- if your child is born in Dubai, are they a citizen?
- are you welcomed into Dubai society, with all the rights of people who were born there?

The Gulf is for people who are comfortable being servants; maybe they are highly paid, sure, but do they get to eat with the family they work for?
 

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I am not quite convinced it has to do entirely with education only.. The more you study the better job one gets? Soft skill, that is what one needs.
The usefulness and necessity of actually being able to act, react, converse and talk to people, to mingle is paramount in getting a job.

I lived and worked in several countries and never felt, or was given, the impression my knowledge and experience were inadequate. I 110% share the opinion of Mr Laroche http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhA3zeELPzc . This should be compulsory watching for everyone looking to go to Canada or any other western countries.

Since 80% of all jobs are given or handled under the table, these skills are by no means to underestimate. What you are on paper is one thing, if someone can vouch for you, or being a reference because she or he knows you, another.

Something to think about..
 

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I am a HR professional with over 5 years experience in Dubai. Came to Canada with lots of expectations. Did some volunteering, but after 5-6 months felt they were utilizing me. Its 15 months since we landed and I am yet to land in any paid position in my field. Luckily my previous employer in Dubai has offered me a good position and we have decided to leave by mid-April. Please guys...research 100 times before boarding your flight to Canada. There's absolutely nothing good out here..for us immigrants:(
 
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Let me see if I can do this with a less emotional tone this time around!

I tried to give a general picture of my experience in the first post. It's time to reveal a few more specifics of my situation: I decided to settle in Toronto because I thought it's the largest city in Canada and hence it must have the largest job market. Whether that's true or not is not my concern here. I applied for jobs spanning a wide range of skills, from unskilled grocery store stocking jobs to Business Analyst position with the big five banks. Of course I scoured the national market for jobs in my preferred occupation (college instructor) but I was certainly under no illusions as to what I could expect when starting over. I came here willing to do any job and go from there.

Of all the jobs I applied for since June 4th, these are the calls I've gotten: a phone call from Wal-Mart for a part-time cashier position in Waterloo (55 miles west of Toronto), a phone call from a Toronto Metro store for a part-time cashier position, and an interview call from a local college in Toronto regarding a contract teaching position with their Math Department for the Fall semester (no other college called me about teaching jobs, even though I applied to a lot of open opportunities from coast to coast, making it clear in my cover letters that I was perfectly willing to move at my expense). I went to all three of these interviews I got hired for all three of these positions but needless to say, I had to decline the Wal-Mart offer because it was a back-up option and I really want to be in Toronto. So, right now I'm working as a cashier for Metro (8-12 hours a week a minimum wage) just to cover grocery costs until my teaching contract job starts next week. Since it's only a one-semester contract, I have no way of knowing whether it's going to be renewed beyond December so this teaching job is no big comfort (I won't know until October whether they'll keep me or treat me like a seasonal construction worker).

When you don't have a permanent job, the uncertain nature of your income keeps eating you alive from inside. You have to always worry about where your next paycheck is coming from, and whether you're going to have to go through the embarrassment of facing your landlord with the message that you don't have enough to make next month's rent. You have to spend your time exploring alternative career options, studying for certificate programs or to otherwise upgrade your skills, or applying to jobs in the hope there's some ray of light at the end of the tunnel. There is no time to taste life. None at all, and even if you do take a short amount of time to do something fun, it won't be nearly as enjoyable as you want it to be because the worries in your head don't leave you alone, not even for a minute. This is not what I imagined my life to be. I didn't dream of being rich, but I did want a stable, full-time, permanent job that paid my bills. I felt proud of my accomplishment of getting permanent residence here, a pride that has vanished in the wind after realizing that it's a status that means nothing here. My relationship with this country has been damaged beyond repair. Even if I manage to get a job that's permanent, I don't think I can learn to love this country given how I get treated here.

I guess part of what makes this hard is that I'm getting older and I expect better from life (even if that's not a fair expectation). I'm going to be 34 years old in two and a half weeks and I'm still no closer to owning a home than I was at 19. When you're 19, it's easier to accept living in a basement bachelor apartment that's someone else's property, and looking for the absolute cheapest prices in the absolute cheapest stores ("poor man stores" I like to call them, e.g. Dollarama, for those of you that are here and have seen them).

I don't know where life will take me in this country. I am exploring a few other career options that are in line with my mathematical training but these will take time to materialize, as will my hurt soul to recover (if ever).

Hi I would say one thing from my experience.

One of my friend got part time position as a teacher in a college (Centennial College in 2009) just for 11 hours per week for One semester contract..

his Hourly rate was $88 per hour (for 11 hours in week).. you can imagine what he was making..

Then when his one semester finished they hired him for 20 hours for two courses then means 10 hours to one and 10 hours to other course.

next thing happened to him because now he has experience of teaching in a big college in toronto he is teaching 25 hours in Ryerson University $ $180 per hour (permanent job with full benefits) and 11 hours still in centennial college.

now you can think of where to go.

good luck.
 

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abhia145 said:
I am a HR professional with over 5 years experience in Dubai. Came to Canada with lots of expectations. Did some volunteering, but after 5-6 months felt they were utilizing me. Its 15 months since we landed and I am yet to land in any paid position in my field. Luckily my previous employer in Dubai has offered me a good position and we have decided to leave by mid-April. Please guys...research 100 times before boarding your flight to Canada. There's absolutely nothing good out here..for us immigrants:(
man dont generalize
cause you didn't had luck or talent doesn't mean other won't

Im here since 5 years ago have had 2 jobs since then and may salary has almost tripled since i first got here

good luck with your life
 

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abhia145 said:
I am a HR professional with over 5 years experience in Dubai. Came to Canada with lots of expectations. Did some volunteering, but after 5-6 months felt they were utilizing me. Its 15 months since we landed and I am yet to land in any paid position in my field. Luckily my previous employer in Dubai has offered me a good position and we have decided to leave by mid-April. Please guys...research 100 times before boarding your flight to Canada. There's absolutely nothing good out here..for us immigrants:(
First off when you volunteer you are donating your time and skills so do not blame the organization to taking what you are giving. Secondly I'm not sure just how professional an HR person is who can't even find their own job. You need to join an HR networking group and apply for any job you can get for the first one. Employment may not be able to get butr they are easy to find. I posted links to 3 national/international billion dollar companies that are advertizing for HR people or have positions where your skills can translate to.

Just don't forget to cancel your PR on the way out.
 

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abhia145 said:
I am a HR professional with over 5 years experience in Dubai. Came to Canada with lots of expectations. Did some volunteering, but after 5-6 months felt they were utilizing me. Its 15 months since we landed and I am yet to land in any paid position in my field. Luckily my previous employer in Dubai has offered me a good position and we have decided to leave by mid-April. Please guys...research 100 times before boarding your flight to Canada. There's absolutely nothing good out here..for us immigrants:(
i am surprised that you are "hr professional" and it looks you didnt even do your own research or prepare before landing. Networking, preparation are the solution you may start back from bottom but you can.

yes better to cancel your PR card on your way out..
 

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Hi emamabd,

I just received a job offer from the telecom company which I met at the job fair that you recommended (it is a call center job). I am extremely excited to finally escape unemployment and the reliance on my shrinking savings, both of which cause me a profound depression.

Please continue posting your valuable advice here. If not you, I would be still unemployed.

I was by the way impressed by how fast the recruitment process was. It seems the turnover rates are very high in this field as there were 14 vacancies to be filled. I handed in my CV last wednesday (one week ago) to the recruiter at the fair. On Monday (which was public holiday!) I got an interview call. On tuesday I had interview (written+oral) and today (wednesday) I got the offer. We will start a 8-week paid training tomorrow already!


emamabd said:
what's your profession? & what the reason behind wanting to leave? Is it because you didn't find a job at all? Or you didn't find a job in your field?
 

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Ketevan said:
Hi emamabd,

I just received a job offer from the telecom company which I met at the job fair that you recommended (it is a call center job). I am extremely excited to finally escape unemployment and the reliance on my shrinking savings, both of which cause me a profound depression.

Please continue posting your valuable advice here. If not you, I would be still unemployed.

I was by the way impressed by how fast the recruitment process was. It seems the turnover rates are very high in this field as there were 14 vacancies to be filled. I handed in my CV last wednesday (one week ago) to the recruiter at the fair. On Monday (which was public holiday!) I got an interview call. On tuesday I had interview (written+oral) and today (wednesday) I got the offer. We will start a 8-week paid training tomorrow already!
Congrats!!!
 

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Ketevan said:
Hi emamabd,

I just received a job offer from the telecom company which I met at the job fair that you recommended (it is a call center job). I am extremely excited to finally escape unemployment and the reliance on my shrinking savings, both of which cause me a profound depression.

Please continue posting your valuable advice here. If not you, I would be still unemployed.

I was by the way impressed by how fast the recruitment process was. It seems the turnover rates are very high in this field as there were 14 vacancies to be filled. I handed in my CV last wednesday (one week ago) to the recruiter at the fair. On Monday (which was public holiday!) I got an interview call. On tuesday I had interview (written+oral) and today (wednesday) I got the offer. We will start a 8-week paid training tomorrow already!
Great news & congrats! Getting the first job is an important step, also being unemployed is quite boring, causes frustration and eats up savings as you said,

You earned the job yourself, i only gave a small piece of advice ;), enjoy it and hopefully soon you even get a better one...on your free time work on a plan to re-enter your own field, don't forget that goal.
 

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Ketevan said:
Hi emamabd,

I just received a job offer from the telecom company which I met at the job fair that you recommended (it is a call center job). I am extremely excited to finally escape unemployment and the reliance on my shrinking savings, both of which cause me a profound depression.

Please continue posting your valuable advice here. If not you, I would be still unemployed.

I was by the way impressed by how fast the recruitment process was. It seems the turnover rates are very high in this field as there were 14 vacancies to be filled. I handed in my CV last wednesday (one week ago) to the recruiter at the fair. On Monday (which was public holiday!) I got an interview call. On tuesday I had interview (written+oral) and today (wednesday) I got the offer. We will start a 8-week paid training tomorrow already!
Hi Ketecan, congrats, did u have a prior experience in ur home country of tele-calling/sales over phone/call center. BPO or KPO ?? the reason for asking is to know if Canadians consider the prior home country experience for Call center jobs or not??
 

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abhia145 said:
I am a HR professional with over 5 years experience in Dubai. Came to Canada with lots of expectations. Did some volunteering, but after 5-6 months felt they were utilizing me. Its 15 months since we landed and I am yet to land in any paid position in my field. Luckily my previous employer in Dubai has offered me a good position and we have decided to leave by mid-April. Please guys...research 100 times before boarding your flight to Canada. There's absolutely nothing good out here..for us immigrants:(
If you're after the money, the Gulf is your place....although dubai's expenses are very high (as you know) but i'm sure that once you re-gain confidence in your financials you'll want to come back here. We all know Canada offers a better future for our next generation - (if not for us). You have a few years to decide what to do with your PR card, if i were you i wouldn't cancel it for now.
 
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Hi amitsmeet,
no I did not have experience and this is what surprises me the most. However, I had experience as mentor and teaching assistant at university in UK, so during interview I managed to show how the skills that I developed can be transferred into client service role. Also, I am fluent in french and english with an insignificant accent - so I guess this helped too. Also, when they asked me why I applied, I gave a long talk about the company (everything I read on their site, e.g. services, public engagement), and the recruiter was impressed.

The call center market is two-fold: first, companies can recruit themselves (banks, telecom) - in this case they usually require experience. Second, they outsource recruitment, training and jobs themselves to call center companies. In this second case companies can "forgive" the absence of experience. I also strongly suggest that you go to their office and hand in CV in person. I never got replies to my online postings, but I got an immediate reply to my physical posting at a job fair (when I handed in my CV to the HR).

amitsmeet said:
Hi Ketecan, congrats, did u have a prior experience in ur home country of tele-calling/sales over phone/call center. BPO or KPO ?? the reason for asking is to know if Canadians consider the prior home country experience for Call center jobs or not??
 

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Thanks for your advice emamabd. Keep in touch - please also keep us posted on your activities.

emamabd said:
Great news & congrats! Getting the first job is an important step, also being unemployed is quite boring, causes frustration and eats up savings as you said,

You earned the job yourself, i only gave a small piece of advice ;), enjoy it and hopefully soon you even get a better one...on your free time work on a plan to re-enter your own field, don't forget that goal.
 
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