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[CharlieD10]

You can add as many parameters as you need to the search string to limit the cases you see. In general, if I am looking for just marriage/sponsorship cases, I search "immigration, sponsorship, marriage, genuine". You can use + instead of , to get even more specific.

You may also try to use search strings that include words from whatever Section affects the appeal, if you know them. That is a good bet, as the relevant legislation must be explained. E.g. Section 4 - the marriage is not genuine, Section 39 - financial inadmissibility, Section 117(9)(d) - undeclared family member, Section 65 - humanitarian and compassionate grounds, etc.

 

[missmini]

^ I'd like to know the same thing.

I searched and found a lot of appeal cases, and like CW wrote, there were only a few non-Chinese names, but mostly Indian, or some other race (non-white, i.e. not names like John Smith).

I don't know what to think about this...is the Canadian government discriminating? I read through a few of the appeals, and like CW wrote, they were so obviously fake marriages.

A friend was telling me that most fake marriages use an agency to help them get approved. My wife called an agency to ask a few questions and the agent said that they have a 99% approval record. So what is this? Corruption? How come these agencies can basically guarantee success? The agent my spoke to said they could help us for a fee - about CAD$4,500!! Are they insane? Why would any legitimate couple spend that kind of money when they can do everything themselves?? It makes no sense, and it makes me wonder if there are corrupt VO's pocketing kickbacks for helping people (with a questionable marriage) get approved for PR status.

Cheers,
FS

sorry but need to say something; there r plenty of "white" people with "non-white" name....take the whole Europe as an example...
as for ur question: i don't think the VO's r corrupt just over-scrutizining (if that's a word ) everyone....and why? well because from what i've seen for many years people knew how to abuse a system - Canada foolishly believed that everybody is honest and say the truth, etc etc....now in some places they start with the idea that everyone is lying and u need to show proofs and more proofs until they r sure u r not; also how people knew how to abuse the system - mostly from bad cosultants, lawyers, etc - it's them who knew the law the best and how to go around it....
now, everyone will tell u anything to sell their product = to get u hire them but u know thart what they say it's 90% not true; they cannot guarantee the visa and they cannot make the process faster; some people still hire them cuz they don't realize it is possible to do it themselves, or they have complicated cases or they just don't have the time and patience to do it themselves and of course they didn't find this forum

 

[canadianwoman]

How do you search just for the sponsorship appeals on this website i keep searching "immigration" and "sponsorship appeals"and am coming up with thousands of results that aren't in relation to family sponsorship immigration at all lol. Tips?

Try narrowing your search terms a bit! Reading through all 11,000 plus cases found would be quite a challenge. I searched bona+fide marriage immigration, or genuine spousal+sponsorship immigration. Things like that. Plus narrow down the years.

 

[bbiery]

The reason more Chinese are.scrutinized is because there are more cases of fraud, and there is a definite benefit from moving from China to Canada. Moving from western Europe or the US (where most of your white people immigrate from) is completely different because this is absolutely no change in quality of life. I am sure eastern Europe and Russian applications are met with a higher level of scrutiny also. Its not discrimination at all its just the facts.

 

[Isometry]

^ I'd like to know the same thing.

I searched and found a lot of appeal cases, and like CW wrote, there were only a few non-Chinese names, but mostly Indian, or some other race (non-white, i.e. not names like John Smith).

I don't know what to think about this...is the Canadian government discriminating? I read through a few of the appeals, and like CW wrote, they were so obviously fake marriages.

A friend was telling me that most fake marriages use an agency to help them get approved. My wife called an agency to ask a few questions and the agent said that they have a 99% approval record. So what is this? Corruption? How come these agencies can basically guarantee success? The agent my spoke to said they could help us for a fee - about CAD$4,500!! Are they insane? Why would any legitimate couple spend that kind of money when they can do everything themselves?? It makes no sense, and it makes me wonder if there are corrupt VO's pocketing kickbacks for helping people (with a questionable marriage) get approved for PR status.

Cheers,
FS

More likely that the agency is inflating their record, or only takes cases with a good chance of approval, or both.

 

[itscoezy]

Thanks everyone! that helps a lot

 

[Fencesitter]

Thanks for all the replies.

If you go on that website, you will not see any cases for appeal involving a Chinese applicant and a white sponsor (Anglo-Saxon) sponsor. Please do not read into what I am saying as racist. I am merely trying to figure out if my case has a strong chance of being approved. Since I have not seen any cases involving folks with "Smith" as their last name, this tells me my wife has a pretty good chance of being approved for PRV.

The way I look at it, and probably the way the VO looks at it, would a white guy from Canada come to China, live with a girl for 3 years...marry her, have a baby together...all this to get a PRV? I don't know one single person who would go to such lengths, and I highly doubt there has ever been such a case. Again, I am only saying this to get a feel for our chances of success.

If I were the VO, I would approve the visa straight away since there is a Canadian child involved. Would they break up the family? I doubt it. I have a job waiting for me in Canada. Why would I want to stay in China when I can be in Canada making more money?

Anyway, again, this has nothing to do with racism...I am only trying to figure out the odds based on our case.

Cheers,
FS

 

[canadianwoman]

If you go on that website, you will not see any cases for appeal involving a Chinese applicant and a white sponsor (Anglo-Saxon) sponsor.

I saw a couple in the last two years - maybe not Anglo-Saxon, but of some European origin with a Chinese spouse. Again, the ones that were refused seemed obvious marriage of conveniences, and even the ones that got approved seemed questionable - very short relationship, met on an internet dating site, immigration was a big question very early on, actually together for only a couple of weeks, big age difference.
I have never seen a case like yours in the appeal files from Hong Kong, so I would guess your odds are very good.

 

[Americana In T.O.]

Thanks for all the replies.

If you go on that website, you will not see any cases for appeal involving a Chinese applicant and a white sponsor (Anglo-Saxon) sponsor. Please do not read into what I am saying as racist. I am merely trying to figure out if my case has a strong chance of being approved. Since I have not seen any cases involving folks with "Smith" as their last name,

Don't forget, there are many non-white people with anglo/western European names so you can't necessarily go by that. Besides, it seems you have a good case. Why are you so concerned?

 

[Fencesitter]

I'm concerned because this is make or break for me.

Plus I am a worrier by nature....

And I have a son to think about...

But I guess deep down I know our case will be fine...and probably processed a lot faster than we expect....

FS

 

[hopetoland]

Why does a "white" Canadian have to apply?

 

[hopetoland]

I'm not from China but have similar story. Met hubby on holidays, he moved to Germany to live with me. Applied for pr after 4 years in Germany. Got approved.
Pretty sure they'll approve your wife too. So no worries

 

[Fencesitter]

^Cheers!

 

[hongkongguy]

Hi Fencesitter,

Let me get some information about your case. You, your wife and your child are all in China and you are a Canadian? Did the Consulate ask you to provide further proofs to show that you have the intention to go back to Canada? It looks like they did ask you to provide further proofs based on the fact that you worry so much about the "Letter of Release".

Let me share my case with you. My wife is a Canadian Chinese and we got married in 2009 and had our 1st kid in 2011. We are all in Hong Kong right now and my wife sponsored me by using the outland application. CIC received our application in October 2011 and transferred my application back to Hong Kong in December 2011 once the sponsorship was approved. In February 2012, I have received a letter asking me to provide further proofs that my wife has the intention to go back to Canada. They gave us a couple of examples in the letter, such as "Letter of Release" from the Hong Kong Inland Revenue Department (proving that my wife has paid all the outstanding taxes in order to go back Canada), Letter of Resignation, Closing the Bank Account, Letter of Employment (from a Canada Employer if my wife gets an offer) etc. We were asked to submit these information to the Consulate within 45 days; otherwise, they will consider that we give up the application and they will just make a decision based on the information they received previously.


So, we have submitted the Letter of Release and other information (e.g. we sold our house in HK already and showed all the emails between us and the real estate agent that we are looking for a house in Vancouver etc) to the Consulate at the end of February. (Yes, my wife did resign her job right away in order to keep our application going) We are now waiting for their further advise as to what we should do next. Based on our understanding (from one of our friends), when the Consulate asks you to show your intention to go back to Canada, it means that they will probably make a decision very soon. I heard that once they confirmed that the sponsor is planning to go back to Canada, the next stage would be sending you a letter asking you to get a Police Certificate for further processing (normally, when you receive such a request, they will tell you that they have waived the interview). Once they receive the police certificate (assuming that you have no criminial record), they will ask you for the passport to issue you the immigration visa.

So, I guess you just have to tell your boss that you have the intention to go back to Canada by submitting a Letter of Resignation so that they can give you a Notice of Resignation (your employer confirmed your last day with the company) as one of the proofs. Yes, it is a bit risky to resign your job now without a guarantee that you wife will get the immigration visa, but I guess we have no choice but to follow what the Consulate asks us to do. I guess you will probably get the visa in about 2-3 months once you let them know that you are planning to go back.

Let's cross our fingers.....

Cheers,
Hong Kong Guy

 

[Fencesitter]

Hey HongKong Guy,

We haven't submitted our application yet. I was probably asking for clarification on something...that's why you thought the VO had asked for further proof.

In fact, I already have a lot of evidence proving I will return to Canada.

Since I am across the border in the mainland, there is no requirement to get a letter of release from the tax authorities. It is also my understanding that I will not need to resign or show proof of this...at least I hope not...as I am the only one with an income to support my family. My contract allows me to resign if I give 1 month notice or 1 month salary in lieu of notice...so that is also not a problem.

I'm just trying to ensure that I fully understand everything that may happen, but your situation is somewhat different because you didn't supply the VO with proof of your wife's intention to return to Canada when you originally sent your application. I will definitely be doing this, as I don't want any unnecessary delays.

If you have a child together, and if your wife shows proof of intention to return to Canada, there is no way the VO will deny you...so don't worry...just do what they ask...they wouldn't request your wife to quit if they knew you would be rejected...that would be immoral and I doubt the Canadian government would do that to a family...

Is your child a Canadian citizen? Did you apply for proof of canadian citizenship? We did...but we are still waiting, though I have the original receipt from the Consulate and also a copy of the original application form.

Good luck and thanks for your post.

FS