Dentist-3113

[drwamin]

Dear ALL.

I would like to inquire about submission of Canadian immigration application.

My qualification MBBS, age 33, work experience more than 5 years.

IELTS Score : S 7, R 6, W 7, L 6.5.

My spouse has completed one year diploma in I.T, and has also passed BA part 1 in Aug 2011 as a regular candidate , BA part 2 examination form has submitted. Exam will be conducting Dec 2011.

My query is am i eligible to submit my case now, or should I wait ?

 

[DrFatima711]

Thank you again JasRaj, i also wanted to ask a few questions on my employment.
I worked in a small clinic for about a year as a dentist, now except the employment letter, i dont have anything else like
offer letter, Pay stubbs.
1 ) Can you please help me out with the reference letter, for 3113 that i need to draft so that the doctor owner of the clinic will sign it off.
2) DO you think it will be a problem with working in a small clinic?

 

[JASRAJ]

Thank you again JasRaj, i also wanted to ask a few questions on my employment.
I worked in a small clinic for about a year as a dentist, now except the employment letter, i dont have anything else like
offer letter, Pay stubbs.
1 ) Can you please help me out with the reference letter, for 3113 that i need to draft so that the doctor owner of the clinic will sign it off.
2) DO you think it will be a problem with working in a small clinic?

you need to have job offer or appointment letter and resignation letter from you which show your employer's comment about acceptance of resignation on it . both you can send in photocopies and it should be notorized.
referance letters should be from your known dentists ( atleast two) and two or three of your patients .

it does not matter that how was the clinic in which you worked , you were dentist there it matters.

 

[anil04_10]

Dear dentist friends

I am visiting this thread after a long time ....and very happy to see that Hasib is doing very well. All members are helping each other with full josh ..... so happy to see the positive energy flowing.
I will try to be regular in this thread. And I too am willing to help other dentist friends in getting the details about Canadian dentistry. ....Don't know much but can answer almost all the questions asked by the members till now ...... ...... Eager to hear soon from all of you ...... Hope your medicals went well dear Hasib .... all the best.

Cheers, aNil

 

[DrFatima711]

THanks Jasraj, The Checklist IMM 5612 "cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5612E.pdf" Section 11 on page 3 states, the Information that is needed on the reference letter.

It does not specify the job Offer letter, Resignation letter, References from Patients etc... what you just mentioned.

So do you think if i dont send in the job offer letter, and the references from patient etc what you mentioned, the application will get rejected?

I am just worried that if you provide more information then required, is that a good thing?

THanks,
Dr Fathima

 

[JASRAJ]

THanks Jasraj, The Checklist IMM 5612 "cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5612E.pdf" Section 11 on page 3 states, the Information that is needed on the reference letter.

It does not specify the job Offer letter, Resignation letter, References from Patients etc... what you just mentioned.

So do you think if i dont send in the job offer letter, and the references from patient etc what you mentioned, the application will get rejected?

I am just worried that if you provide more information then required, is that a good thing?

THanks,
Dr Fathima

In this section there is:
additionasl supporting documents .... copies of work contract means appointment letter and resignation letter
as you cannot provide pay stubs so you can give patient's refrances or references from dentist , you can collect this from your good friends who are also working as dentist . he/she can mention that he/she knows you and you did so many clinical procedures to gether as a team, like 3rd molar surgical removal , implants, periodontal surgeries etc
actually referances from patients comes under 3rd party indivisual documention it should be provided if you are self employed.
i myself provided the fee charged reciepts of the patients ( near about 20, rendomly for the last 5years) and bills from dental material companies ( approx. 10-15 for the last 5 years , patients appriciation letters (2), dentist refral (1)

 

[aamirwarsi]

hello and salamz to every one
Specially Dr Hasib

Thanks for your valueable comments hasib bro

I am aamir, a specialist general dentist from karachi pakistan, i first send my application in oct 2011, recieved aknowledgement in feb 2011, and Medical Request in June 2011, got my medicals done in the end of june 2011.

Can any one tell me how much time is left for my passport request? and what are the usual process includes after medical done?
I would also like to ask u people what is a scope of our profession there? can v work in any allied field or so? how much are the wages for that? i heard canadian govt has given a healthy amount to dental association for the verifications of foriegn qualified dentist, is it fruitfull for us?

Thanks

Aamir Warsi

 

[anil04_10]

hello and salamz to every one
Specially Dr Hasib

Thanks for your ................... verifications of foriegn qualified dentist, is it fruitfull for us?

Thanks

Aamir Warsi

Hi Aamir

Your application comes under London VO. So as per the other candidates, the waiting period stretches anywhere from 45 days to 90 days. But you have almost reached the final stage .... now it's only PPR ... side by side the security check will be done ......

The scope of dentistry as such is very bright and vast .....BUT for a foreign qualified dentist ..it is not very encouraging. Apart from getting into a DDS course / program, one can opt for -
- dental higienist, assistant or therapist. It depends on the province whether they consider a particular profession as a regulated one or not. But one can assume that MOST of the health related professions are the 'regulated' one. One has to undergo specific courses for the mentioned profesions .....ranging from 8 months to 2 years. Wages per hour will always be more than a permanent sort of job. Dental Higienist starts around CAD 20 per hour & goes to even CAD 55. Assistants 15 to 40. And Therapists 20 to 45. There are more than 60 accredited centres giving classes / courses / programs all over Canada for Higienists and Assistants (Ontario itself is having around 30 odd). But for therapists, as far as I know there are only 2-3 centres in Canada.
- Can consider health related teaching profession. But again it is a regulated one and have to undergo courses.
- non regulated but related to health, like medical insurance. There are bridging courses for these.

Hope it has given you some idea about our profession in Canada and its scope ....... As far as verifications of foriegn qualified dentist is concerned, it will take some time ....and till that time we can't just sit and wait. When it comes we can awail the opportunity accordingly .....

Cheers, aNil

 

[JASRAJ]

Hi Aamir

Your application comes under London VO. So as per the other candidates, the waiting period stretches anywhere from 45 days to 90 days. But you have almost reached the final stage .... now it's only PPR ... side by side the security check will be done ......

The scope of dentistry as such is very bright and vast .....BUT for a foreign qualified dentist ..it is not very encouraging. Apart from getting into a DDS course / program, one can opt for -
- dental higienist, assistant or therapist. It depends on the province whether they consider a particular profession as a regulated one or not. But one can assume that MOST of the health related professions are the 'regulated' one. One has to undergo specific courses for the mentioned profesions .....ranging from 8 months to 2 years. Wages per hour will always be more than a permanent sort of job. Dental Higienist starts around CAD 20 per hour & goes to even CAD 55. Assistants 15 to 40. And Therapists 20 to 45. There are more than 60 accredited centres giving classes / courses / programs all over Canada for Higienists and Assistants (Ontario itself is having around 30 odd). But for therapists, as far as I know there are only 2-3 centres in Canada.
- Can consider health related teaching profession. But again it is a regulated one and have to undergo courses.
- non regulated but related to health, like medical insurance. There are bridging courses for these.

Hope it has given you some idea about our profession in Canada and its scope ....... As far as verifications of foriegn qualified dentist is concerned, it will take some time ....and till that time we can't just sit and wait. When it comes we can awail the opportunity accordingly .....

Cheers, aNil

one should appear in nbde in feb.2012 and then 2nd part in june 2012
it does not cost too much money.
and needs only 5-6 hrs study from today .
rest we are here to help you people always
dentist in INDIA should be dentist THERE.
rest your hardwork...good luck

 

[anil04_10]

one should appear in nbde in feb.2012 and then 2nd part in june 2012 - Partially correct
it does not cost too much money. - Depends (I feel it is a big amount for 1 time)
and needs only 5-6 hrs study from today . - Correct / Agreed
rest we are here to help you people always - Agreed
dentist in INDIA should be dentist THERE. - Nope
rest your hardwork...good luck - Agreed

Dear fellow dentists

I am happy that Dr.Jasraj has come up with some bare facts. I would like to keep this topic going because this is the place where we can share our knowledge, study material and thus help each other ...... Let me explain and give my suggestions to the above points -
Before this I would like to give a brief history of the procedure that ACFD used to follow (prior to the current one). All foreign trained dentists (mainly from Asian / African countries) have got their degrees from Non-accredited colleges. Their degrees are not recognised as far as dentistry in Canada is concerned. So they were supposed to give an exam known an Eligibility Examination (EE) ...... conducted twice in a year. Based on the result (+ your overall academic performance + interview), you may be given admission to any of the 7 colleges (also depends where you have applied). One may have to undergo a basic orientation course and then they will join 3rd year students. After 2 years of completion you have to sit for the qualifying exam (NDEB) including practicals. Then you have to register yourself for the license (again depending on the province where you have studied or want to work).
This was the procedure that they (ACFD) were following till last year. NOW they have added one more option.

- one should appear in nbde in feb.2012 and then 2nd part in june 2012 - Partially correct
Now ACFD has brought NBDE into picture right from EE, calling it as 'Assessment of Fundamental Knowledge' (AFK). Content & Format of the paper (EE Vs AFK) remained the same, i.e. 2 papers (except Feb 2010 - 3 papers). After this step, ACFD changed the procedure. NOW you have 2 options, 1st one - Just like the old method as explained above. 2nd one - They say it's a fast track one!! We have to score a minimum of 75% in AFK. It's all clinical. You have to book your seat/register yourself for the 'Assessment of Clinical Skills' (ACS - 2 days) & 'Assessment of Clinical Judgement' (ACJ - 1 day). Though both the exams are conducted one after the other in a period of 3 days, both are independent of each other. You can prepare for any one and leave the other (giving it next time) .... remember you will be losing that many months (till the next exam is scheduled)......ALSO one has the privilege of taking these exams (AFK, ACS & ACJ) three times. Many candidates are trying to give ACS & ACJ one after the other. AFK is on February 04 .....ACS on June 09 & 10 ..... and ACJ on June 11 (all 2012). As mentioned earlier -- You can even apply to individual universities with your AFK score (1st option)

- it does not cost too much money. - Depends (I feel it is a big amount for 1 time)
I really don't agree with this one ...... NDEB registration (500) + AFK fees (600) + ACS (4000) + ACJ (1500) ... Total (only for exam fees) - CAD 6600 ....... do I have to mention only ... .....
If we opt for the 2 years 'Qualifying Program' - attending individual university requirements itself is a big task ...... And after getting the admission .. 8) ...... paying college fees (tution) will cost us a fortune, which may be anything between 70,000 to 120,000 CAD ... ...stretched over 2 years. But positive thing is bank gives loan ..... moreover, future IS safe...... 8) 8) ...... which part does not cost too much money ......

- and needs only 5-6 hrs study from today . - Agreed
We have to start this NOW ...... if we want to become a dentist there.... Do Kaplan, DD I & II (All), Mosby, ASDA I & II (All), MCQs ..... ALL as many times as you can do...... ??? : ???

- rest we are here to help you people always - Agreed
As mentioned earlier ... we all are here to share our knowledge and experience. It will be a big help to everyone who wants to settle there as a dentist. Of course, for study material, people must have spent some money and they may ask for some favour .... may exchange or barter or even paypal account ..... .... but it is worth taking these study tips/materials.

- dentist in INDIA should be dentist THERE. - Nope
We are immigrants .... and ofcourse we want to be in the same field where we have expertise. BUT ..... not everything is possible everywhere. There are approximately 90 seats divided between these 7 colleges (for 1st option). Everytime there is an EE / AFK, more than 700 participants will be there + this time almost 1000 dentists are ready to immigrate ..... ??? ...... Participants who are writing their exams are holding their PR since last 3-4 years ...some of them are even citizens. Many of them have written their exams 4/5 times ..... So dentist in INDIA should be dentist THERE ...... We must try our best... :-X

- rest your hardwork...good luck - Agreed
That IS the only key for success. Give your best ...and it will show the colour. Time being concentrate only on AFK with scoring above 95%. It will make you reach the target of at least 88% ...which is good enough for admission to one of the colleges. If you are confident of giving ACS & ACJ ...one can join few courses (in Toronto) where they teach different aspects of these clinical tests. ... PREPARE ACCORDINGLY... All the Best

Cheers, aNil

Please see - These are purely my views and observations. I am not discouraging any one. People should judge and then take their own decisions.

 

[hondubai]

The fees are:
1. Application (Paid once) 500$
Assessment of fundamental knowledge 600$
Assessment of clinical skills 4,000$
Assessment of Clinical judgment 1,500$

If you passed the above, you step with any fresh Canadian graduate and you have to finish NBDE and OSCE:

2.NBDE Application (Paid once) 400$
Written 700$
OSCE 900$
“TOTAL IF YOU PASS FROM 1ST TIME IS 8,600 $ “


The study materials:
Kaplan
DD
Released questions
First aid
and mosby

 

[Dr.Hasib]

In this section there is:
additionasl supporting documents .... copies of work contract means appointment letter and resignation letter
as you cannot provide pay stubs so you can give patient's refrances or references from dentist , you can collect this from your good friends who are also working as dentist . he/she can mention that he/she knows you and you did so many clinical procedures to gether as a team, like 3rd molar surgical removal , implants, periodontal surgeries etc
actually referances from patients comes under 3rd party indivisual documention it should be provided if you are self employed.
i myself provided the fee charged reciepts of the patients ( near about 20, rendomly for the last 5years) and bills from dental material companies ( approx. 10-15 for the last 5 years , patients appriciation letters (2), dentist refral (1)

Excellent info JASRAJ...+1 for u

 

[Dr.Hasib]

well explained Anil dada

Dear fellow dentists

I am happy that Dr.Jasraj has come up with some bare facts. I would like to keep this topic going because this is the place where we can share our knowledge, study material and thus help each other ...... Let me explain and give my suggestions to the above points -
Before this I would like to give a brief history of the procedure that ACFD used to follow (prior to the current one). All foreign trained dentists (mainly from Asian / African countries) have got their degrees from Non-accredited colleges. Their degrees are not recognised as far as dentistry in Canada is concerned. So they were supposed to give an exam known an Eligibility Examination (EE) ...... conducted twice in a year. Based on the result (+ your overall academic performance + interview), you may be given admission to any of the 7 colleges (also depends where you have applied). One may have to undergo a basic orientation course and then they will join 3rd year students. After 2 years of completion you have to sit for the qualifying exam (NDEB) including practicals. Then you have to register yourself for the license (again depending on the province where you have studied or want to work).
This was the procedure that they (ACFD) were following till last year. NOW they have added one more option.

- one should appear in nbde in feb.2012 and then 2nd part in june 2012 - Partially correct
Now ACFD has brought NBDE into picture right from EE, calling it as 'Assessment of Fundamental Knowledge' (AFK). Content & Format of the paper (EE Vs AFK) remained the same, i.e. 2 papers (except Feb 2010 - 3 papers). After this step, ACFD changed the procedure. NOW you have 2 options, 1st one - Just like the old method as explained above. 2nd one - They say it's a fast track one!! We have to score a minimum of 75% in AFK. It's all clinical. You have to book your seat/register yourself for the 'Assessment of Clinical Skills' (ACS - 2 days) & 'Assessment of Clinical Judgement' (ACJ - 1 day). Though both the exams are conducted one after the other in a period of 3 days, both are independent of each other. You can prepare for any one and leave the other (giving it next time) .... remember you will be losing that many months (till the next exam is scheduled)......ALSO one has the privilege of taking these exams (AFK, ACS & ACJ) three times. Many candidates are trying to give ACS & ACJ one after the other. AFK is on February 04 .....ACS on June 09 & 10 ..... and ACJ on June 11 (all 2012). As mentioned earlier -- You can even apply to individual universities with your AFK score (1st option)

- it does not cost too much money. - Depends (I feel it is a big amount for 1 time)
I really don't agree with this one ...... NDEB registration (500) + AFK fees (600) + ACS (4000) + ACJ (1500) ... Total (only for exam fees) - CAD 6600 ....... do I have to mention only ... .....
If we opt for the 2 years 'Qualifying Program' - attending individual university requirements itself is a big task ...... And after getting the admission .. 8) ...... paying college fees (tution) will cost us a fortune, which may be anything between 70,000 to 120,000 CAD ... ...stretched over 2 years. But positive thing is bank gives loan ..... moreover, future IS safe...... 8) 8) ...... which part does not cost too much money ......

- and needs only 5-6 hrs study from today . - Agreed
We have to start this NOW ...... if we want to become a dentist there.... Do Kaplan, DD I & II (All), Mosby, ASDA I & II (All), MCQs ..... ALL as many times as you can do...... ??? : ???

- rest we are here to help you people always - Agreed
As mentioned earlier ... we all are here to share our knowledge and experience. It will be a big help to everyone who wants to settle there as a dentist. Of course, for study material, people must have spent some money and they may ask for some favour .... may exchange or barter or even paypal account ..... .... but it is worth taking these study tips/materials.

- dentist in INDIA should be dentist THERE. - Nope
We are immigrants .... and ofcourse we want to be in the same field where we have expertise. BUT ..... not everything is possible everywhere. There are approximately 90 seats divided between these 7 colleges (for 1st option). Everytime there is an EE / AFK, more than 700 participants will be there + this time almost 1000 dentists are ready to immigrate ..... ??? ...... Participants who are writing their exams are holding their PR since last 3-4 years ...some of them are even citizens. Many of them have written their exams 4/5 times ..... So dentist in INDIA should be dentist THERE ...... We must try our best... :-X

- rest your hardwork...good luck - Agreed
That IS the only key for success. Give your best ...and it will show the colour. Time being concentrate only on AFK with scoring above 95%. It will make you reach the target of at least 88% ...which is good enough for admission to one of the colleges. If you are confident of giving ACS & ACJ ...one can join few courses (in Toronto) where they teach different aspects of these clinical tests. ... PREPARE ACCORDINGLY... All the Best

Cheers, aNil

Please see - These are purely my views and observations. I am not discouraging any one. People should judge and then take their own decisions.

 

[JASRAJ]

The fees are:
1. Application (Paid once) 500$
Assessment of fundamental knowledge 600$
Assessment of clinical skills 4,000$
Assessment of Clinical judgment 1,500$

If you passed the above, you step with any fresh Canadian graduate and you have to finish NBDE and OSCE:

2.NBDE Application (Paid once) 400$
Written 700$
OSCE 900$
“TOTAL IF YOU PASS FROM 1ST TIME IS 8,600 $ “


The study materials:
Kaplan
DD
Released questions
First aid
and mosby

new edition of kaplan is not so good
dental decks 2012-2013are very helpful
first aid is easy but mosby.....hhmmmmm....only few things

 

[Dr.Hasib]

new edition of kaplan is not so good
dental decks 2012-2013are very helpful
first aid is easy but mosby.....hhmmmmm....only few things

can we get those books online?